Some new ideas from the FCA chief
more red cars
Posted 25 February 2015 - 06:53
Some new ideas from the FCA chief
more red cars
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Posted 25 February 2015 - 07:27
Posted 25 February 2015 - 07:57
grandprix247
Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:00
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Why would FCA put up two brands to compete with each other anyway?
Ask Red Bull?
Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:02
http://www.motorspor...-huge-problems/
Looks more like to a rebranding idea.. So maybe a yellow Haas - Alfa Romeo?!
Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:10
Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:13
There is already an AR sticker on the Ferrari engine cover... nothing to see, move along.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:26
Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:00
There is already an AR sticker on the Ferrari engine cover... nothing to see, move along.
Not to mention a Fiat one on the flanks!
Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:02
http://www.motorspor...-huge-problems/
Looks more like to a rebranding idea.. So maybe a yellow Haas - Alfa Romeo?!
That's ...all? That's everything there is to this rumour? Marchionne saying "Maybe. Who knows. Anything is possible."? Man, it's about time this season starts.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:16
Alfa Romeo is next on Sergio Marchionne's radar for the next big revival within the FCA empire with US sales being the driver (with China later). Expecting new models and a push for more brand awareness.
With a huge push from the German majors into the small car segment in the US this is not a surprising move as FCA does not have anything between Fiat/Chrysler brands and Maserati
Edited by RA2, 25 February 2015 - 09:18.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:32
I think that this is an indication of a) how little Marchionne really knows about F1 and its history, and b) a complete non-story. He realises that his argument is weak so waffles about the future. Not impressive. Ferrari devalued their brand badly through Abu Dhabi theme parks etc with Montezemolo in charge, and Marchionne appears no different. At least there was clear logic to the Fiat branding that the cars used to carry, but putting Alfa Romeo on there reeks of desperation.
Scuderia Ferrari (the racing team) has not had any close cooperation with Alfa Romeo since World War II. As recently as the 70's-80's they were direct competitors in F1. Remember a certain Mr Lauda jumping ship from Ferrari to Brabham-Alfa Romeo ? Anyway, what about Lancia ? At least there was a Lancia-Ferrari that won the world championship only a few years ago - in 1956 !
By the same logic, let's have some Stewart GP stickers on the Red Bull car - or even better, Tyrrell stickers on the Mercedes (Tyrrell > BAR > Honda > Brawn > Mercedes).
The Alfa Romeo sticker is just a branding exercise. As several have just mentioned, It's part of a push to sell more Alfa Romeo's.
I fail to see what this has to do with Alfa Romeo's history in F1.
Stickers on cars are just to increase brand awareness and ultimately sell more of the product.
They're not there for historical reasons.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 11:12
Posted 25 February 2015 - 13:02
Why would FCA put up two brands to compete with each other anyway?
Same reason that VWAG has Audi and Porsche competing against each other in LMP1?
Posted 25 February 2015 - 13:28
Posted 25 February 2015 - 13:45
Does this mean a Ferraro Rosso? The Alfa badge is already on the side of the Ferraris this year.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 14:21
Posted 25 February 2015 - 14:31
They need to build some road cars first, they keep dropping the ****ing ball. 20 years ago they built the 156, 147, the gorgeous new Coupe and Spider and the new 164 which really had them back in the game after 25 years being LOST. They failed to build on that and just generally made a meal of the progress made.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 14:35
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Posted 25 February 2015 - 14:39
I think that this is an indication of a) how little Marchionne really knows about F1 and its history, and b) a complete non-story. He realises that his argument is weak so waffles about the future. Not impressive. Ferrari devalued their brand badly through Abu Dhabi theme parks etc with Montezemolo in charge, and Marchionne appears no different. At least there was clear logic to the Fiat branding that the cars used to carry, but putting Alfa Romeo on there reeks of desperation.
Scuderia Ferrari (the racing team) has not had any close cooperation with Alfa Romeo since World War II. As recently as the 70's-80's they were direct competitors in F1. Remember a certain Mr Lauda jumping ship from Ferrari to Brabham-Alfa Romeo ? Anyway, what about Lancia ? At least there was a Lancia-Ferrari that won the world championship only a few years ago - in 1956 !
By the same logic, let's have some Stewart GP stickers on the Red Bull car - or even better, Tyrrell stickers on the Mercedes (Tyrrell > BAR > Honda > Brawn > Mercedes).
Posted 25 February 2015 - 14:46
Another pre-season F1 day, another pre-season "car manufactuer to join, but actually never will" rumour.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 15:01
Same reason that VWAG has Audi and Porsche competing against each other in LMP1?
At least these German brands are entirely differnt in engine/PU package from another so one can see that as taking two classes at the same school and learn from both options.
F1 has only one engine/PU option so any additional knowledge?
The only gain I see in it for the entire group is that Ferrari is stuck with a homologated engine with tokens rules restricting them to modify/update whatever they want.
But an Alfa branded engine could be entirely new and get all the gizmos Ferrari is forbidden to apply on their engine due to that stupid freeze rule.
Sacrifice Ferrari but take on Mercedes & Honda Full time and on equal terms with Alfa......
The difficulty however is that Alfa has such a dramatic reputation in siongle seaters since 1952 .....
Henri
Edited by Henri Greuter, 25 February 2015 - 15:02.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 15:21
Ask Red Bull?
But they are the same brand, and not setup to compete with one another.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 20:37
If Alfa didn't have a history in F1 they might well have spent that money elsewhere, so history may well have something to do with it.
Spent what money? It wouldn't surprise me if it was Marchionne just taking advantage of a moving billboard that wouldn't cost them anything.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 20:47
Maybe a name for the old engine manor are getting? And a possible dual development path/testbed? Just thinking...
I've never understood why the manufacturers get their customer teams to use their own brand names like Marussia/Ferrari or Sauber Ferrari. Its a complete waste, surely the works team gets enough publicity for the name? What does having a Force India Mercedes do to increase Mercedes' brand value over what they get from having a simple Mercedes winning the title? Surely its logical to have a works Mercedes, a Force India Smart and a McLaren Maybach (which would be appropriate for the big old bus they had last year anyway...)
Using the Alfa badge for a customer team makes perfect sense for me, or Lancia, or Maserati for that matter.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 21:53
Posted 25 February 2015 - 22:25
bad article with false title, it only says that there will be an Alfa Romeo sticker on the Ferrari cars, nothing at all suggests that there will be an Alfa Romeo F1 team.
Posted 25 February 2015 - 22:37
At least these German brands are entirely differnt in engine/PU package from another so one can see that as taking two classes at the same school and learn from both options.
F1 has only one engine/PU option so any additional knowledge?
The only gain I see in it for the entire group is that Ferrari is stuck with a homologated engine with tokens rules restricting them to modify/update whatever they want.
But an Alfa branded engine could be entirely new and get all the gizmos Ferrari is forbidden to apply on their engine due to that stupid freeze rule.
Sacrifice Ferrari but take on Mercedes & Honda Full time and on equal terms with Alfa......
The difficulty however is that Alfa has such a dramatic reputation in siongle seaters since 1952 .....
Henri
And then we'll get to see Maybach and Acura in the sport...
Posted 26 February 2015 - 03:50
Spent what money? It wouldn't surprise me if it was Marchionne just taking advantage of a moving billboard that wouldn't cost them anything.
He's already been assured by Bernard C that appropriate recognition will be given to their past long term association with he premier open wheel racing category so, of course, they will also receive cream off the top.
Hass and Manor are both screwed.
Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:32
There are strong rumors that Cosworth are working with Alfa Romeo to enter the Indycar series as a manufacturer (both engine and aero kit) in 2017-2018.
That's where they are going to be along with a possible return to the DTM and US versions of DTM around the same time.
Posted 26 February 2015 - 06:29
Reminds me of this article I read a couple of weeks ago, about Alfa Romeo and F1. All about Alfa Romeo in the 1900s and their first drivers Ugo Sivocci and Enzo Ferrari... Surely Grand Prix247 haven't put 2+2 together to get 298?
Edited by markeimas27, 26 February 2015 - 06:30.
Posted 26 February 2015 - 09:20
20 years ago they built the 156
Posted 26 February 2015 - 09:37
Would love to see a team with such rich Grand Prix history back though, one can only dream.
Posted 28 February 2015 - 19:09
Can Ferrari homologate the 2014 engine for 2015 as an Alfa Romeo?
Posted 28 February 2015 - 19:56
bad article with false title, it only says that there will be an Alfa Romeo sticker on the Ferrari cars, nothing at all suggests that there will be an Alfa Romeo F1 team.
Don't let the facts get in the way of wild forum speculation.
Posted 28 February 2015 - 19:56
Posted 14 December 2015 - 20:04
Marchionne still pushing for Alfa Romeo return to racing
“Alfa Romeo is still in peoples' hearts, so we are thinking of a comeback in motorsport.
"It is important that Alfa comes back, and they will be one more competitor.”
"The target was to create an engine coherent with the actual F1 rules,” said Marchionne of the rebranding plan.
“I don't know if the performance should be equivalent with the one that we use in the races, but we pushed ourselves hard to do it.”
http://www.motorspor...turn-to-racing/
Posted 14 December 2015 - 20:50
Can Ferrari homologate the 2014 engine for 2015 as an Alfa Romeo?
Posted 14 December 2015 - 20:57
Maybe a name for the old engine manor are getting? And a possible dual development path/testbed? Just thinking...
your living in the past. or not a f1 fan
They are running 2016 spec merc next year
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Posted 14 December 2015 - 21:01
Meh! You had me going with your quote until I read the article. Alfa Romeo returning to a Junior Series and Alfa Romeo as it applied to Red Bull.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 21:15
Are they planning a trick rear wing and splitter? If so, run for the hills.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 21:43
But they are the same brand, and not setup to compete with one another.
Maybe you should tell the teams and drivers that.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 21:47
your living in the past. or not a f1 fan
They are running 2016 spec merc next year
I suggest you read the date of the post you replied to...
Posted 14 December 2015 - 22:08
Fiat Chrysler should be more worried about the quality of their road cars. Most brands are getting more than a fair share of recalls and just negative publicity.
The invasion by VW has gone, again dodgey road cars.
The manufacturers want to go back to their core business and not spend billions on F1.
There is the crunch,, the numbers are so big and the audience is rapidly diminishing. No value for any sensible manufacturer.
Worse,, Honda,,, very negative. Renault about the same,,, and they have been stupid enough to go back into the sport! And their partner or whatever with their silly front drive Lemans car. Very negative publicity.
IF you are on the pace but not quite there the fans will support you, if you have lemons noone will.
Posted 15 December 2015 - 00:34
I cant help but think at best Alfa does Le Mans, but if a quality customer team steps up, why not do something along the line of the Aston Martin/Force India tie up? But FCA will have to do something if they want their Alfa plans to happen, and that seems based on performance, touring cars isn't going to cut it, and DTM doesn't have the global reach.
Posted 15 December 2015 - 00:49
I hope it doesn't mean they just buy up Sauber and rebrand it... but actually ADD some cars to the grid!
Posted 15 December 2015 - 01:51
your living in the past. or not a f1 fan
They are running 2016 spec merc next year
I can't tell if you're a chronologically challenged fool or a genius who operates on a higher plane of comedy than anyone else.
Posted 15 December 2015 - 03:52
Don't think so due to the IP...?
It's only all in house. So, why not?
Posted 15 December 2015 - 05:42
Don't think so due to the IP...?
I think they have to convince the FIA they are not the same entity somehow... The rulebook says something along the lines of "to FIA discretion".
I would not be surprised if Ferrari uses Alfa (or Maseratti) to have a parallel PU development or at least try alternate solutions they can't on their car... and then adopt it.
There are some pointers to that, including that Mercedes was very quick to bring to FIA's attention how close was Ferrari working with Haas, but I'm pulling that theory out of the darkest and emptiest places in my head.
Posted 15 December 2015 - 06:30
Put Alfa Romeo stickers on the Haas team.
Done.