Jump to content


Photo
* * * * - 1 votes

Season start with replacement driver


  • Please log in to reply
48 replies to this topic

#1 HistoryFan

HistoryFan
  • Member

  • 7,813 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 03 March 2015 - 19:58

Kevin Magnussen will replace Fernando Alonso in the opening race of the upcoming F1 season. When did we have that before? At McLaren I know the case of 1995 when Nigel Mansell had to wait 2 races because he couldn't be fit in the car.



Advertisement

#2 EvilPhil II

EvilPhil II
  • Member

  • 1,843 posts
  • Joined: February 07

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:01

JJ Lehto - 1994 Benetton 



#3 ninetyzero

ninetyzero
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: November 14

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:07

Does Larini at Ferrari in 1994 count?



#4 EvilPhil II

EvilPhil II
  • Member

  • 1,843 posts
  • Joined: February 07

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:10

Does Larini at Ferrari in 1994 count?

 

Not really as he didnt race in the opening race in Brazil. Alesi and Berger did 



#5 np93

np93
  • Member

  • 115 posts
  • Joined: October 12

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:19

Does Bianchi replacing Razia in 2013 count? I don't remember Bianchi doing any testing with Marussia that season.



#6 kimster89

kimster89
  • Member

  • 1,413 posts
  • Joined: May 13

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:23

Whan did the last race without fernando alonso on the grid happen?

#7 Zava

Zava
  • Member

  • 7,115 posts
  • Joined: September 10

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:26

I wouldn't worry, Fernando will be in melbourne. past Fernando could've sensed some trouble with present Fernando and went straight to melbourne.



#8 showtime

showtime
  • Member

  • 3,032 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:31

Whan did the last race without fernando alonso on the grid happen?

 

Weekend? Japanese GP 2002

DNS? US GP 2005


Edited by showtime, 03 March 2015 - 20:34.


#9 Fomalhaut

Fomalhaut
  • Member

  • 86 posts
  • Joined: February 15

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:31

Whan did the last race without fernando alonso on the grid happen?

 

Japan 2002?



#10 Disgrace

Disgrace
  • Member

  • 31,165 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:32

Whan did the last race without fernando alonso on the grid happen?

 

Monaco 2010, when he started from the pitlane. Otherwise, the 2005 USGP.



#11 garoidb

garoidb
  • Member

  • 8,345 posts
  • Joined: May 11

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:39

An older example - Stefan Johansson for Tyrrell in 1985 (in place of Stefan Bellof). 



#12 ensign14

ensign14
  • Member

  • 61,701 posts
  • Joined: December 01

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:50

Arrows in 1982 started with Superhen in the 29 rather than Marc Surer.  Patrick Tambay was originally tabbed for the seat but he retired in disgust at some of the political antics.  Unretired when he had the chance to honour his friend Gilles...



#13 Lipp

Lipp
  • Member

  • 2,038 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:53

JJ Lehto - 1994 Benetton 

 

So correct. Jos Verstappen, would have scored points in the Bennetton (without the 13th software option) if it were not for in these years quite 'accident prone' friend Eddy Irvine pushing him onto the grass...

 



#14 midgrid

midgrid
  • RC Forum Host

  • 10,126 posts
  • Joined: April 09

Posted 03 March 2015 - 21:07

From the other way round, Juan Manuel Fangio signed for Mercedes for 1954, but the team wasn't ready at the beginning of the season, so he raced for Maserati until that point.



#15 ninetyzero

ninetyzero
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: November 14

Posted 03 March 2015 - 21:15

So correct. Jos Verstappen, would have scored points in the Bennetton (without the 13th software option) if it were not for in these years quite 'accident prone' friend Eddy Irvine pushing him onto the grass...

 

On the subject of Irvine being a total liability, never forgave him for this;

 



#16 RubberKubrick

RubberKubrick
  • Member

  • 292 posts
  • Joined: December 14

Posted 03 March 2015 - 21:53

Speaking of Irvine:

No wonder someone was furious after Irvine's debut in Suzuka1993. It was to such an extent he even punched him.

He knew everything. He was also saying that the young drivers were being too wild, after being crashed out in Aida1994... and surprise, surprise that driver (like Irvine after Brazil1994) also got a penalty after his third start crash (after Aida1994, Monaco1994 and Hockenheim1994) where he was finally punished by being replaced by Alliot in Hungary1994.

#17 jonpollak

jonpollak
  • Member

  • 43,951 posts
  • Joined: March 00

Posted 03 March 2015 - 21:57

Eddie the idiot.. Best left for the dustmen.

 

Whan did the last race

 


Let's leave Whan out of this.

Jp


Edited by jonpollak, 03 March 2015 - 21:59.


#18 hittheapex

hittheapex
  • Member

  • 1,193 posts
  • Joined: July 14

Posted 03 March 2015 - 22:22

Whan did the last race without fernando alonso on the grid happen?

I think it was NASCAR in Atlanta over the weekend.



#19 superden

superden
  • Member

  • 4,185 posts
  • Joined: May 11

Posted 03 March 2015 - 22:34

I think it was NASCAR in Atlanta over the weekend.


Chuckle.

Advertisement

#20 Collombin

Collombin
  • Member

  • 8,589 posts
  • Joined: March 05

Posted 03 March 2015 - 22:42

Gunnar Nilsson (not) at Arrows in 1978?

#21 Lipp

Lipp
  • Member

  • 2,038 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 03 March 2015 - 22:45

Speaking of Irvine:

No wonder someone was furious after Irvine's debut in Suzuka1993. It was to such an extent he even punched him.

He knew everything. He was also saying that the young drivers were being too wild, after being crashed out in Aida1994... and surprise, surprise that driver (like Irvine after Brazil1994) also got a penalty after his third start crash (after Aida1994, Monaco1994 and Hockenheim1994) where he was finally punished by being replaced by Alliot in Hungary1994.

And later on by a drive in the Ferrari... (Salo proved he was better than Irvine and he has stated that Verstappen was a better driver than him at Tyrell)



#22 ninetyzero

ninetyzero
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: November 14

Posted 03 March 2015 - 22:56

Irvine was hopeless at Ferrari, Schumacher would have won the 99 championship fairly easily if he had not been injured (I say that as a Hakkinen fan).



#23 redreni

redreni
  • Member

  • 4,709 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 03 March 2015 - 23:07

Surely these two incidents aren't the worst the Irvine-bashers can rustle up? If you name me a well known driver from 10-20 years ago at random and give me 5 minutes on the tube sites, I'm sure I'd be able to find some worse examples of driving than that. In one of those incidents the guy braked, what, 3m too late? Worse things happen at sea, you know.

 

Back on topic, I understand why a driver would be well advised to minimise the risk of a second impact having been concussed. And a concussion that leaves a chap hospitalised for three days must rank somewhere towards the severe end of the scale. And there's probably an insurance issue that pretty much takes the decision out of his hands anyway. But I am sure he would want to race, and I hope we see him back on the grid next time out.



#24 ensign14

ensign14
  • Member

  • 61,701 posts
  • Joined: December 01

Posted 03 March 2015 - 23:12

Brazilian GP 1990 - Alex Caffi injured himself in a testing accident so Bernd Schneider made his final GP start in the Footwork.  I remember a pic in Autosport showed some cockpit decals with alternative driver names; Aguri Suzuki and Enrico Bertaggia were definitely two of them.



#25 midgrid

midgrid
  • RC Forum Host

  • 10,126 posts
  • Joined: April 09

Posted 03 March 2015 - 23:17

Brazilian GP 1990 - Alex Caffi injured himself in a testing accident so Bernd Schneider made his final GP start in the Footwork.  I remember a pic in Autosport showed some cockpit decals with alternative driver names; Aguri Suzuki and Enrico Bertaggia were definitely two of them.

Gianni Morbidelli also subbed for the hepatitis-stricken Emanuele Pirro at Scuderia Italia for the first two races of the 1990 season.



#26 WOT

WOT
  • Member

  • 1,701 posts
  • Joined: November 14

Posted 03 March 2015 - 23:17

 

Let's leave Whan out of this.

Jp

 

Jeez, it's a tough school.... You guys are really hard on typos...

:p



#27 William Hunt

William Hunt
  • Member

  • 10,929 posts
  • Joined: July 01

Posted 03 March 2015 - 23:28

Philippe Streiff had to driver the A.G.S in 1989 but in a free practice session at Rio he got badly injured and paralysed so he never drove races that season. Gabriele Tarquini replaced him from round 2. Funnily enough Tarquini had to race for new F1 team (and F3000 graduate team) FIRST Racing but they had failed the crash test and decided to cancel their participation.



#28 turssi

turssi
  • Member

  • 3,368 posts
  • Joined: October 10

Posted 04 March 2015 - 00:28

I guess Fernando will be at the grid, just not in a car.

#29 Spillage

Spillage
  • Member

  • 10,251 posts
  • Joined: May 09

Posted 04 March 2015 - 00:53

So correct. Jos Verstappen, would have scored points in the Bennetton (without the 13th software option) if it were not for in these years quite 'accident prone' friend Eddy Irvine pushing him onto the grass...

 

Every time I see that I cringe. Look at Brundle's head - the early part of the 1994 season could easily have been even worse.



#30 OvDrone

OvDrone
  • Member

  • 16,115 posts
  • Joined: January 13

Posted 04 March 2015 - 01:45

Every time I see that I cringe. Look at Brundle's head - the early part of the 1994 season could easily have been even worse.

 

I just can't watch that at all. It sickens me.

 

By the way, the level of Irvine hate in this thread is laughable. At least he had more balls and charisma than Barrichello.



#31 ninetyzero

ninetyzero
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: November 14

Posted 04 March 2015 - 01:52

I just can't watch that at all. It sickens me.

 

By the way, the level of Irvine hate in this thread is laughable. At least he had more balls and charisma than Barrichello.

 

Barrichello may have been a moaning old fart sometimes but he's a) a nicer guy and b) a better driver than Irvine.  ;)



#32 OvDrone

OvDrone
  • Member

  • 16,115 posts
  • Joined: January 13

Posted 04 March 2015 - 02:09

Barrichello may have been a moaning old fart sometimes but he's a) a nicer guy and b) a better driver than Irvine.  ;)

 

Nice guy doesn't cut it for me. Better drive? Of course. I still think Schumacher gifted more wins to Barrichello than the other way around. *the love shown to Rubes always compounded me, ironic coming from a Webber fan*

 

Anyways, if K-Mag gets a podium, I will get s***-faced.



#33 Tsarwash

Tsarwash
  • Member

  • 13,725 posts
  • Joined: August 10

Posted 04 March 2015 - 02:46

Eddie Irvine was (and probably still is) an obnoxious tosspot with half the talent that he thought he had. He wouldn't take responsibility for incidents that were clearly his fault, and had no respect for the experience of drivers who had been racing F1 for years. Maldonaldo is a talented saint next to Irvine. I'm just glad that he didn't kill or seriously injure somebody infinitely more talented than himself.



#34 Peter0Scandlyn

Peter0Scandlyn
  • Member

  • 727 posts
  • Joined: September 14

Posted 04 March 2015 - 03:08

Aren't all drivers coming up their first start with their new team, replacement drivers?  :confused:



#35 Jimisgod

Jimisgod
  • Member

  • 4,954 posts
  • Joined: July 09

Posted 04 March 2015 - 04:55

Eddie Irvine was (and probably still is) an obnoxious tosspot with half the talent that he thought he had. He wouldn't take responsibility for incidents that were clearly his fault, and had no respect for the experience of drivers who had been racing F1 for years. Maldonaldo is a talented saint next to Irvine. I'm just glad that he didn't kill or seriously injure somebody infinitely more talented than himself.


How in the hell did he take a plum Ferrari drive for 4 years? Boggles the mind.

#36 Kop Alonso

Kop Alonso
  • Member

  • 312 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 04 March 2015 - 06:35

An older example - Stefan Johansson for Tyrrell in 1985 (in place of Stefan Bellof).


Johansson was in the Ferrari - replacing the sacked Arnoux , Bellof was still in the Tyrrell ?..

#37 Gorma

Gorma
  • Member

  • 2,713 posts
  • Joined: February 12

Posted 04 March 2015 - 06:55

Does Nick Heidfeld count?



#38 garoidb

garoidb
  • Member

  • 8,345 posts
  • Joined: May 11

Posted 04 March 2015 - 07:45

Johansson was in the Ferrari - replacing the sacked Arnoux , Bellof was still in the Tyrrell ?..

 

Arnoux raced for Ferrari in Brazil in 1985. Johansson drove for Tyrrell in that race, in place of Bellof. In San Marino, Johansson replaced Arnoux at Ferrari.



#39 hittheapex

hittheapex
  • Member

  • 1,193 posts
  • Joined: July 14

Posted 04 March 2015 - 08:50

I must come to the defence of Eddie Irvine here. It is true that he had accidents through his career but even Hakkinen was wild in those days, somebody mentioned earlier the 3 races Hakkinen was responsible for startline shunts, culminating in a race ban later in the year. Irvine was a capable driver, I'd agree not world champion material but I wouldn't put him lower than top 8.

 

The only available drivers suitable for the job that Ferrari had available not signed up at McLaren, Williams or Benetton for 1996 were in my opinion, Brundle, Frentzen and the two Jordan drivers. Brundle was probably seen as too old, and Frentzen was committed to Sauber IIRC. Barrichello and Irvine were closely matched at Jordan. Salo did a decent job in 1999 and may even have edged Irvine with a full winter of testing to prepare him for the car, but I think that's more a compliment to Salo than a slight on Irvine. It's true he runs his mouth too much for his own good, even now, but hate the man, not the driver. And it's not as if drivers not admitting fault for their own mistakes is a phenomenon restricted to Irvine, either.


Edited by hittheapex, 04 March 2015 - 08:50.


Advertisement

#40 kimister

kimister
  • Member

  • 2,979 posts
  • Joined: May 12

Posted 04 March 2015 - 09:30

So, what about the photo of the field before the start of first gp ? Will Magnussen be in place of  Alonso in the photo or Alonso still appear in it even though not racing ?



#41 Gorma

Gorma
  • Member

  • 2,713 posts
  • Joined: February 12

Posted 04 March 2015 - 11:48

So, what about the photo of the field before the start of first gp ? Will Magnussen be in place of  Alonso in the photo or Alonso still appear in it even though not racing ?

They take one before every race. 

 

https://www.google.f...e=lnms&tbm=isch


Edited by Gorma, 04 March 2015 - 11:49.


#42 kimister

kimister
  • Member

  • 2,979 posts
  • Joined: May 12

Posted 04 March 2015 - 12:05

They take one before every race. 

 

https://www.google.f...e=lnms&tbm=isch

 

No, not every race weekend , but it seems before first and last gp of the season.



#43 Brandz07

Brandz07
  • Member

  • 3,500 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 04 March 2015 - 12:29

Looking forward to a Magnussen win and watching the forum go crazy...



#44 TheSnowman

TheSnowman
  • New Member

  • 20 posts
  • Joined: March 15

Posted 04 March 2015 - 20:25

Another replacement driver at the start of the season was Gregor Foitek for David Brabham in 1990 at Brabham. David skipped the first two races to prepare himself, meaning he missed the chance to compete with his brother Gary.



#45 Laura23

Laura23
  • Member

  • 825 posts
  • Joined: July 10

Posted 05 March 2015 - 01:40

I guess Fernando will be at the grid, just not in a car.

Alonso isn't going to Australia.

#46 MaxCrazyEddieCayer

MaxCrazyEddieCayer
  • Member

  • 431 posts
  • Joined: August 10

Posted 05 March 2015 - 02:09

Nick replacing Robert at lotus in '11?

#47 Laura23

Laura23
  • Member

  • 825 posts
  • Joined: July 10

Posted 05 March 2015 - 03:31

Nick replacing Robert at lotus in '11?

I'd say that was different since we knew Kubica probably wouldn't be in an F1 car again after that accident and the details of his injuries emerged.



#48 HistoryFan

HistoryFan
  • Member

  • 7,813 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 05 March 2015 - 16:12

Does Bianchi replacing Razia in 2013 count? I don't remember Bianchi doing any testing with Marussia that season.

 

Most interesting and similar cases are drivers who just have to sit out the first or first few rounds and then the orgininal driver come back, as we have this examples:

 

1982 Brian Henton for Marc Surer (Arrows)

1990 Bernd Schneider for Alex Caffi (Footwork)

1990 Gianni Morbidelli for Emanuele Pirro (Scuderia Italia)

1990 Gregor Foitek for David Brabham (Brabham)

1994 Jos Verstappen for JJ Lehto (Benetton)

1995 Mark Blundell for Nigel Mansell (McLaren)

2015 Kevin Magnussen for Fernando Alonso (McLaren)
 



#49 turssi

turssi
  • Member

  • 3,368 posts
  • Joined: October 10

Posted 05 March 2015 - 16:14

Alonso isn't going to Australia.


That's not like him. I expect him to be there to observe.