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#1 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 13:40

What were the most drivers in a F1 race for each nation?

 

GBR: 16 in Great Britan Grand Prix 1956

ESP: 3 in some GP 2010 and 2011 Canadian Grand Prix

FRA: 9 at French Grand Prix 1951

USA: 33 at some Indy-500 in the 50s.

 

And the other nations?



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#2 Nonesuch

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 13:55

Weren't there like six Germans in 2010 or so? I'll have to check to be sure, but it was quite a sizeable portion of the grid.

 

Edit: It was 2011, and there were seven. At the Australian Grand Prix there were Vettel, Schumacher, Rosberg, Heidfeld, Sutil, Hülkenberg, and Glock. This situation lasted for quite a few races.


Edited by Nonesuch, 10 March 2015 - 13:59.


#3 noikeee

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:04

Pretty sure Portugal's record is... 1



#4 Beamer

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:20

USA a gazillion in any Nascar race :-D

#5 TheSnowman

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:22

The late 80's and early 90's were a prosperous time for Italian drivers especially with the influx of minor Italian teams like Minardi, Osella, Dallara, Coloni, Eurobrun and of course Life; Looking just at Imola in 1990, there was 14 Italian driver competing

http://en.wikipedia....#Classification



#6 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:23

4 drivers from New Zealand in the 1973 British GP.  Amon, Hulme, Ganley and McRae.

 

Finland have had 3 on a couple of occassions, Raikonnen, Kovalainen and Bottas recently, Lehto, Hakkinen and Salo previously. 

 

I think in 1990 there were about 15 or 16 italian drivers...

 

 

 

 

Edit: Snowman got in there first!


Edited by DampMongoose, 10 March 2015 - 14:25.


#7 The Kanisteri

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:23

I guess at some point there were 4 finnish passport owning peeps on grid: Räikkönen, Bottas, Kovalainen, Rosberg



#8 Nonesuch

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:25

The Dutch 'record' is two, first at the German Grand Prix of 2005.

 

Curiously the two drivers (Albers and Doornbos) were also team-mates, at Minardi.



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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:28

What about Brazil? maybe 4 o 5  in a single gp 



#10 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:29

8 Argentinians in the opening round of the 1955 GP.



#11 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:33

14 Germans in the 1953 German GP.



#12 Spillage

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:33

What about Brazil? maybe 4 o 5  in a single gp 

Four, I think, although I'm not sure. Senna, Piquet, Gugelmin and Moreno for the end of 1990 and most of 1991. Replace Piquet with Christian Fittipaldi in 1992, although the only race for which they all qualified was Monaco.

 

EDIT: Also the first two races of 1977 (Fittipaldi Sr, Pace, Hoffman, Ribeiro), and the 1973 Brazilian GP (E. Fittipaldi, W. Fittipaldi, Pace & Bueno).

 

Can't find any instance of five Brazilians on the starting grid at any one time though. 

 

SECOND EDIT: DampMongoose has settled it. Nice work!


Edited by Spillage, 11 March 2015 - 13:23.


#13 slattie

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:34

4 drivers from New Zealand in the 1973 British GP.  Amon, Hulme, Ganley and McRae.

 

Finland have had 3 on a couple of occassions, Raikonnen, Kovalainen and Bottas recently, Lehto, Hakkinen and Salo previously. 

 

I think in 1990 there were about 15 or 16 italian drivers...

 

 

 

 

Edit: Snowman got in there first!

Räikkönen, Kovalainen and Bottas never drove in the same GP weekend. (As race drivers.)

 

Lehto, Häkkinen and Salo only drove once in the same GP weekend so you got that right though.


Edited by slattie, 10 March 2015 - 14:34.


#14 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:36

14 Germans in the 1953 German GP.

 

What about Brazil? maybe 4 o 5  in a single gp 

 

5 in 2001.  Might be more elsewhere...

 

Edit:  Actually only 4 as they didn't all compete at one race.

 

Edit again: Actually it is 5, 2001 German GP, Rubens, Bernoldi, Zonta, Marques, and Burti.


Edited by DampMongoose, 10 March 2015 - 16:45.


#15 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:42

Räikkönen, Kovalainen and Bottas never drove in the same GP weekend. (As race drivers.)

 

 

Of course, Raikonnen was absent

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Edited by DampMongoose, 10 March 2015 - 14:42.


#16 scheivlak

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:42

 

USA: 33 at some Indy-500 in the 50s.

 

 

WDC, but not F1 ;-)



#17 scheivlak

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:46

The Dutch 'record' is two, first at the German Grand Prix of 2005.

 

Curiously the two drivers (Albers and Doornbos) were also team-mates, at Minardi.

The 1962 Dutch GP had two Dutch teammates as well: Godin de Beaufort and Pon!

 

The 1952 Dutch GP (F2, but counting for the WDC) also had two Dutch drivers: Flinterman and van der Lof.



#18 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:47

WDC, but not F1 ;-)

 

Good point all 1952 and '53 stats above don't count in that case.



#19 Nonesuch

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:50

The 1962 Dutch GP had two Dutch teammates as well: Godin de Beaufort and Pon!

 

The 1952 Dutch GP (F2, but counting for the WDC) also had two Dutch drivers: Flinterman and van der Lof.

 

Excellent correction and addition, thanks! :up:



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#20 RosannaG

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 14:50

I guess at some point there were 4 finnish passport owning peeps on grid: Räikkönen, Bottas, Kovalainen, Rosberg

 

You are cheating here...  :evil:  :lol:  In F1, Nico has always raced under the German flag. 



#21 Spillage

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:01

No fewer than six South Africans took the start for the 1962 South African Grand Prix. Tony Maggs, Neville Lederle, Bruce Johnstone, Emie Piertese, Doug Serrurier and Mike Harris. John Love, from Rhodesia, also competed, making for what must be a record seven Africans on the starting grid. Mostly they were competitors of the South African F1 championship who turned out for their home race, which Love famously almost won in 1967. 

 

Love and Sam Tingle both competed in the 1965 race, which made for what must also be a record - two Rhodesians on the same starting grid.



#22 noikeee

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:11

The late 80's and early 90's were a prosperous time for Italian drivers especially with the influx of minor Italian teams like Minardi, Osella, Dallara, Coloni, Eurobrun and of course Life; Looking just at Imola in 1990, there was 14 Italian driver competing

http://en.wikipedia....#Classification

Strangely enough, I went through that list and pretty much all of them were pretty competent, I'd say the only exceptions of "useless paydrivers" would be Langes and Barilla.

 

Patrese, Nannini, Modena, de Cesaris, Capelli, Larini, Pirro, Caffi, Alboreto, Martini, Giacomelli, Tarquini - not a bad bunch with all of them quite accomplished in one way or another. But it wasn't a *great* bunch neither - the only one to have gone as far as fighting for a F1 drivers title was Alboreto, and even that was very short-lived.

 

You'd find a very similar generation of drivers for France in the late 70s/early 80s, I reckon their "record" must've been around then. Except they did have one mega star of course - Alain Prost. And quite a few more race winners: Laffite, Jabouille, Pironi, Tambay, Arnoux...



#23 AustinF1

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:32

WDC, but not F1 ;-)

Beat me to it. But I'd very interested to see what actual F1 race had the most U.S. drivers.

 

I'd also love to see what countries have had the most drivers all-time to have driven in an F1 race, but I'm sure that list would be pretty hard to compile.



#24 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:36

Any advance on 3 for Austria? Berger, Wendlinger and Ratzenberger in 1994?



#25 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:40

Beat me to it. But I'd very interested to see what actual F1 race had the most U.S. drivers.

 

 

Well there were 6 in the 1960 US GP at Riverside,  Phil Hill, Jim Hall, Chuck Daigh, Pete Lovely, Robert Drake and Dan Gurney.  Someone might be able to come up with a race with more...

 

Edit: just looking at 1961 there were 8 starters.


Edited by DampMongoose, 10 March 2015 - 15:43.


#26 sopa

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:49

I wonder, what the statistics would be if we included a more modern era (say, last 30-35 years) and not earlier events, when there were lots of wild card entries. For example at a British Grand Prix it would be natural to have 10+ British drivers. These are largely statistical anomalies, which doesn't reflect, what was going on generally that year.

 

I think Germany's 7 drivers is a pretty impressive achievement for the last 20 years. The amount of Italians 25 years ago was truly stunning, especially as these were regular driver, not one-off entries. Haven't counted the French for early 80s. And there were lots of British regulars in the 60s regardless of one-off entries.



#27 Jimisgod

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:56

Of course, Raikonnen was absent
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Surely Raikkonen, Hakkinen and Salo all started a race together at least once.

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 15:59

Surely Raikkonen, Hakkinen and Salo all started a race together at least once.

 

Funnily no. Raikkonen was absent in 2000, Salo was absent in 2001, Hakkinen absent in 2002.

 

The Finns did a great job in avoiding getting a trio together! :p



#29 The Kanisteri

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 16:34

You are cheating here...  :evil:  :lol:  In F1, Nico has always raced under the German flag. 

I didn't say anything about nationality, but finnish passport owner. Nico owns german and finnish one.

And Nico has raced minor classes under finnish license in past.



#30 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 16:37

I wonder, what the statistics would be if we included a more modern era (say, last 30-35 years) and not earlier events, when there were lots of wild card entries. For example at a British Grand Prix it would be natural to have 10+ British drivers. These are largely statistical anomalies, which doesn't reflect, what was going on generally that year.

 

I think Germany's 7 drivers is a pretty impressive achievement for the last 20 years. The amount of Italians 25 years ago was truly stunning, especially as these were regular driver, not one-off entries. Haven't counted the French for early 80s. And there were lots of British regulars in the 60s regardless of one-off entries.

 

Agreed, in the last 20 years 7 is an impressive tally, British drivers have had 5 or 6 a few times during that period.  6 all in races in 1995 plus a replacement in Mansell, but interesting in that year was that of those 6 drivers, they also managed to finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the WDC.     



#31 ezequiel

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 16:37

8 Argentinians in the opening round of the 1955 GP.

Fangio, González, Mieres, Bucci, Menditeguy, Iglesias and Birger. 7 actually.



#32 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 16:47

Fangio, González, Mieres, Bucci, Menditeguy, Iglesias and Birger. 7 actually.

 

Spot on, I'd counted Menditeguy twice as he drove two cars.


Edited by DampMongoose, 10 March 2015 - 16:49.


#33 speedman13

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 16:49

14 Germans in the 1953 German GP.

Does not count as at least 7 were in F2 cars added to bolster the grid.



#34 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 16:52

Does not count as at least 7 were in F2 cars added to bolster the grid.

 

But the entire season was for F2 cars. They all counted for the WDC.

 

As mentioned previously they should all count or none should count, as nobody drove an F1 car that season in the WDC.


Edited by DampMongoose, 10 March 2015 - 16:56.


#35 slattie

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 17:18

I didn't say anything about nationality, but finnish passport owner. Nico owns german and finnish one.

And Nico has raced minor classes under finnish license in past.

Still, like I stated earlier, Räikkönen / Kovalainen / Bottas trio never participated in a race together so even being genorous with Nico's status you wont get 4 "Finnish" guys at the same time.

 

Edit: And as a Finn I really cant count Nico as one of us in any way, despite the passport thing. But that's not really the point here.


Edited by slattie, 10 March 2015 - 17:20.


#36 RosannaG

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 17:28

I didn't say anything about nationality, but finnish passport owner. Nico owns german and finnish one.

And Nico has raced minor classes under finnish license in past.

 

What's this thread refereing to? We are talking about F1 and nacionality and as you very well know, Nico chose the German one to race in F1.



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Posted 10 March 2015 - 17:34

4 drivers from New Zealand in the 1973 British GP.  Amon, Hulme, Ganley and McRae.

 

 

That be a record based on population, New Zealand had less than 3 million people in 1973


Edited by dave34m, 10 March 2015 - 17:37.


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Posted 10 March 2015 - 17:48

1 Pole :)



#39 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 19:15

That be a record based on population, New Zealand had less than 3 million people in 1973


I would guess Louis Chiron and Monaco might have that record. Population less than 40,000 even now.

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#40 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 20:06

So we have: 

USA (33)

GBR (16)

GER (14)

FRA (9)

ARG (7)

RSA (6)

BRA (5)

NZL (4)

AUT (3)

ESP (3)

FIN (3)

IRL (2)

MAR (2)

MEX (2)

MON (2)

NED (2)

 

What I found out:

Finland: Australia 1994 (3)

Ireland: Long Beach 1982 (2)

Marocco: Marocco 1958 (2)

Mexico: last time Abu Dhabi 2014 (2)

Monaco: Monaco 1958 (2)

 

Missing:

Australia

Belgia

Italia

Japan

Canada

Rhodesia

Sweden

Switzerland

Uruguay

 

Just for that nations who had at least two drivers in a race



#41 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 20:06

I wonder, what the statistics would be if we included a more modern era (say, last 30-35 years) and not earlier events, when there were lots of wild card entries.

 

It would be nice to have wild card entries nowadays. Good old times. But yes, you're right,


 



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Posted 10 March 2015 - 21:04

 

I'd also love to see what countries have had the most drivers all-time to have driven in an F1 race, but I'm sure that list would be pretty hard to compile.

According to Wikipedia (so the usual caveats apply) the answer is the UK with 160, closely followed by the USA with 157 (mostly drivers who took part in the Indy 500 in the years when it counted towards the WDC): http://en.wikipedia....ula_One_drivers

 

Edit Forix shows very similar figures: 159 for the UK; 156 for the USA (again counting Indy 500 starters up to 1960)


Edited by Amphicar, 10 March 2015 - 21:12.


#43 BRG

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 21:27

Missing:

Australia

Belgia

Italia

Japan

Canada

Rhodesia

Sweden

Switzerland

Uruguay

 

Just for that nations who had at least two drivers in a race

Japan had three driver in their home GP in 1976 (Takahara, Hoshino, Hasemi) and 1977 (Takahashi, Hoshino, Takahara).  And often two drivers in the 1990s.



#44 scheivlak

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 21:49

There were 7 Belgians (out of 20!) at the start of the 1953 Belgian GP (OK, F2.....). Claes, Frere, Berger, Legat, A. Pilette, Swaters, de Tornaco.

 

Without much further checking that might have been their highest number.


Edited by scheivlak, 10 March 2015 - 21:51.


#45 Amphicar

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 21:59

I think the 1969 Canadian GP saw the largest number of Canadian drivers in a Championship F1 race (3): Bill Brack, Al Pease and John Cordts. This was the race where Al Pease achieved a record for Canada that has yet to be matched - he became the first (and so far only) driver to be black flagged from a Championship GP for driving too slowly. Oh Canada!



#46 ezequiel

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:08

Uruguay had two drivers in the 1956 Argentine GP: Alberto Uria and Oscar González.



#47 Rob

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:39

There were 7 Belgians (out of 20!) at the start of the 1953 Belgian GP (OK, F2.....). Claes, Frere, Berger, Legat, A. Pilette, Swaters, de Tornaco.

 

Without much further checking that might have been their highest number.

 

2 non-starters though. So that's 5 starters in both the 1952 and 1953 races,

 

There were 4 Swiss in the 1952 and 1953 Swiss GPs - Fischer, de Graffenried, Hirt, de Terra in 1952 and swap out Fischer for Albert Scherrer in 1953. 

 

I count three Australians in the 1965 South African GP - Jack Brabham, Paul Hawkins and Frank Gardner.

 

I also count three Canadians in the 1969 Canadian GP - Bill Brack, Al Pease and John Cordts.

 

I think there's only ever been a maximum of 2 drivers from the Netherlands in a race though.


Edited by Rob, 10 March 2015 - 22:41.


#48 pathogen

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 02:05

You'd find a very similar generation of drivers for France in the late 70s/early 80s, I reckon their "record" must've been around then. Except they did have one mega star of course - Alain Prost. And quite a few more race winners: Laffite, Jabouille, Pironi, Tambay, Arnoux...

And at some point, all of them (except for JP Jarier), GP winners... great generation



#49 Jimisgod

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 02:44

Assuming De Vries or Frijns (or both) join Max then this will be the most successful Dutch F1 generation?

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 03:24

I would guess Louis Chiron and Monaco might have that record. Population less than 40,000 even now.

 

It's a toss-up between Monaco and Liechtenstein (Rikki von Opel). Recent estimates have Monaco at a population of 36,000 and Liechtenstein 37,000, but which nation had fewer when their sole representatives were racing?