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Did Hamilton keep Rosberg on his back foot for the entire 2014 F1 Season?

  1. Yes (21 votes [21.65%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.65%

  2. No (52 votes [53.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.61%

  3. Neither - the statement is to obscure. (24 votes [24.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.74%

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#1 Cadence

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:15

A friend(?) of mine and I are having a disagreement over a bet we made on the F1 2014 Championship. (Before you ask, yes... alcohol was involved)

 

He postulated (and I quote) that: "I do however believe Hamilton will keep Nico on the "back foot" for the entire season."

 

I accepted his challenge.

 

My Perspective:

 

Nico Rosberg lead the 2014 F1 Championship in points from Australia though Italy with only once exception, Spain. 

Lewis Hamilton lead in Spain, Japan, Russia, US, Brazil and Abu Dhabi. 

That means Rosberg lead for 12 of 19 races and Hamilton only 7. 

Therefore, it is my contention that one can hardly reason that Hamilton kept Nico on the back foot for the entire season as he only lead the championship for 7 races.

 

My adversary's perspective:

 

Rosberg had only 5 wins to Hamilton's 9

Rosberg finished with 317 points to Hamilton's 384

Therefore, Hamilton "kept Nico on the back foot for the entire season" because he won the championship.

 

So, it looks like it comes down to a question of how one interprets the meaning of both "on the back foot" and "the entire season"

 

My question to the Racing Comments forum is which perspective prevails?



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#2 Maustinsj

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:20

It's a draw.

#3 JonathanProc

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:23

Small point: Hamilton won 11 races last year.

#4 Kerch

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:25

If Hamilton's car didn't break down in Australia and he went on to win that race (he was on pole), then he would have led the championship at all 19 races if other results stayed the same.



#5 balmybaldwin

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:27

No he didnt. He let Nico get under his skin at monaco and again at spa. If Rosberg was on his back foot the WHOLE season this wouldnt have bothered him

#6 molpid

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:35

 

My Perspective:

 

Nico Rosberg lead the 2014 F1 Championship in points from Australia though Italy with only once exception, Spain. 

Lewis Hamilton lead in Spain, Japan, Russia, US, Brazil and Abu Dhabi. 

That means Rosberg lead for 12 of 19 races and Hamilton only 7. 

Therefore, it is my contention that one can hardly reason that Hamilton kept Nico on the back foot for the entire season as he only lead the championship for 7 races.

 

 

 

Irrelevant, Hamilton had his DNFs earlier in the season.



#7 Fastcake

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:40

Your adversary could argue that Hamilton rarely had a problem with Rosberg when both cars were on the track, which could meet the definition of back foot. It'll probably have to be a draw though.

 

I suggest settling it on countback. Compare the number of girly pictures of Rosberg to the ones where Hamilton is dressed like a tit, highest number wins. :cool:



#8 RedBaron

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:40

No he didnt. He let Nico get under his skin at monaco and again at spa. If Rosberg was on his back foot the WHOLE season this wouldnt have bothered him

 

I wouldn't say Rosberg got under Hamilton's skin in Spa. He wrecked his front wing... but Rosberg definitely didn't come out of that saga strong and fearless. Monaco though, yeh undoubtedly.



#9 Rob

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:44

If you don't have a metric by which you can assess the criteria, it's only ever going to be subjective so you should just call it a draw and move on.



#10 Risil

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:45

Fwiw I think Hamilton had Rosberg on the back foot all year. Rosberg never overtook Hamilton, Hamilton was always quicker in the races unless something weird happened, Hamilton never failed to respond to a bad qualifying performance with anything other than a sensational race.

Rosberg was better than Hamilton in qualifying which confused the hell out of the "next Senna" script. And he could conceivably have won the world championship from his position on the back foot. You can do that.

 

But Hamilton was miles quicker. Even won the team politics game, which I wouldn't have expected.



#11 scheivlak

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 22:58

Small point: Hamilton won 11 races last year.

Indeed, that's not enough   ;)


Edited by scheivlak, 10 March 2015 - 22:59.


#12 ANF

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 23:15

Your perspective certainly makes more sense, Cadence. (But I'm afraid not even sense can be measured objectively.)



#13 Paincake

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 23:47

If you don't have a metric by which you can assess the criteria, it's only ever going to be subjective so you should just call it a draw and move on.

And what metric do you suggest, just plain points, wich is artificial construct. Lets just say, theoretically, your friend was correct. But in actual truth, Lewis was superior on so many levels. I do not buy the whole faster in qualifying shenanigans either. Lewis always focused with his setup to win races, whilst Rosberg was too distracted and preoccupied focusing on his qualifying setup. but yes theoretically Rosberg has ''dominated'' the most of the season if you like to go by that artificial construct we call the points system. Truth is, we are not robots, you damn well know actual result is different in real truth.



#14 teejay

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 00:10

You owe your friend alcohol

 

At no time was Lewis's "being behind" any fault of his own.



#15 OO7

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 00:10

Cadence, the fact that your bet was so open to interpretation has lead me to conclude that:

1) Those responsible for drafting the F1 technical regulations are inebriated while doing so.

2) You and your friend have been responsible for drafting the F1 technical regulations since 1997.



#16 P123

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 00:15

If that was how your friend worded his bet with you then he deserves to lose it.  ;)

This year, just bet on who will finish ahead in the standings, will be much simpler.

Edited by P123, 11 March 2015 - 00:16.


#17 Spillage

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 01:34

No. How could he have? Rosberg won the first race.

 

Round about the time of the Canadian GP, where Rosberg nursed his car to a strong second place, I really thought he could do it. Now, over the remainder of the season Hamilton's class showed through and he fully deserved to take the title, but I'd definitely say that Rosberg had the upper hand - and the front foot - after the Canadian Grand Prix.



#18 Imateria

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 02:07

No, Rosberg won the opener instantly putting Hamilton on the back foot.



#19 HoldenRT

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 03:56

Separate from reliability, or points standings at any point in the season.. I don't believe Lewis kept Nico on the backfoot for the entire season.  Plenty of reasons why just too lazy to type them out.

 

I could see how one could argue that though, and they'd have some points in their favour.. but overall, if the statement were true, Lewis wouldn't have been so stressed at certain times of the year, and his fans wouldn't have been crying out that "the season is over".. or "the championship is lost" at certain points of the year.  Nico was enough of a threat, that Lewis himself seemed to give up in some ways until Silverstone where he seemed to think a miracle had happened.  When in reality, it was always equal chance for both of them to have problems.

 

I would say from Monza onwards, if I am remembering all of the races right at that part of the year.. Lewis kept Nico on the backfoot from then onwards, and Lewis seemed to have it all under control but not the entire season.  As I said at the start, I'm not talking about reliability or the points table but their general demeanour and attitude from race weekend to race weekend.



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#20 f1RacingForever

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 04:34

Tell your friend to pay up. You can't be on the back foot when you're in the lead. This is nonsensical.

#21 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 06:33

Hamilton didn't for the entire season. Pay up! 

 

Otherwise I strongly recommend your friend to take you to court. 

 

BTW - don't hire the lawyer Sauber has hired and you should be relatively fine. Also don't let Hamilton do you negotiations, it will just drag out. 



#22 DanardiF1

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 06:35

Hamilton didn't for the entire season. Pay up! 

 

Otherwise I strongly recommend your friend to take you to court. 

 

BTW - don't hire the lawyer Sauber has hired and you should be relatively fine. Also don't let Hamilton do you negotiations, it will just drag out. 

 

His friend is some guy named Giedo apparently... 



#23 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 06:37

He really should just have bought him dinner and had it over with. Letting it drag out like this and now we are just a day or two away from the start of the season and still it isn't settled. This is not good! 

 

And who will want to take bets with these guys now? Not good at all.



#24 Wander

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 07:06

The statement is too obscure. You shouldn't make bets that don't have clear answers and are open to interpretation.

#25 DampMongoose

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:46

Based on being on 'the back foot' for the entire season, I'd have to say no.  Firstly, Rosberg won in Australia which putting him in front on points must be a factor; regardless of the reasons behind it. But more to the point, I can't imagine that when Rosberg took pole at Monaco and then outqualified Hamilton 6 times consecutively while stretching his lead in the championship, can be seen as anything but Hamilton being the one on the back foot.  At the moment he went 29 points behind I wasn't thinking this is Hamilton's to lose now...



#26 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 10:39

Definition of " on the back foot" ... In a defensive posture; off-balance.

 

If during this entire season Hamilton states (at any time) that he is reacting to Rosberg in any way, he is therefore in a defensive posture. According to the OP's definition of the bet, this is for not the entire season, thus for any instant.

 

Thus, only if Hamilton completely ignores Rosberg, has no interaction, does not study Rosberg's telemetry or react to anything that may occur he is not in a defensive posture.

 

The second Hamilton says something to the press like "I did this because Nico did that", then you have won your bet.