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[hittheapex]

Weren't people screaming from the roof tops last year that Lewis drove dirty in Bahrain? Now because it's Vettel it's suddenly ok?

I don't know, I didn't watch last year because of double points. You might know better than I if they are giving Vettel a free pass and criticising Hamilton. Or the other way round.

Edited by hittheapex, 15 March 2015 - 12:05.

[Jon83]

I don't know, I didn't watch last year because of double points. You might know better than I if they are giving Vettel a free pass and criticising Hamilton. Or the other way round.

 

I don't recall many people criticising Hamilton but with the new season, comes the paranoia I guess!

[UPRC]

The most surprising thing I learned from the race had nothing to do with the race itself, but rather the fact that Mark Webber is a surprisingly good commentator. He could easily become another Brundle.

[topical]

Didn't watch the race and after reading the report it sounds like 2 valuable hours saved. It's going to be another 2004. One dominant team, one dominant driver. Yawn.

[RubberKubrick]

No please don't be so shy, he could have lapped both Merc

Yeah, I guess when looking at the sometimes 40 to 50 seconds gaps from Massa to the respective winners of many races in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, one could say that nobody would've at least halved the gap...

Yeah, I guess when looking at the points' situation of a certain two-digit GP winner / two-digit polesetter in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 who still was in his late 20's or early 30's and who looked quite OK against Raikkonen before those years, one could say as well that someone like Alonso wouldn't have made that a big difference by achieving 110-130 points more than Massa in 2010 or 2011 or 2012 or 2013...

[JHSingo]

Didn't watch the race and after reading the report it sounds like 2 valuable hours saved. It's going to be another 2004. One dominant team, one dominant driver. Yawn.

 

Same here. First time in many a year I haven't got up for the first race of a new season.

 

Just can't be bothered with it while it is like this.

[hittheapex]

Didn't watch the race and after reading the report it sounds like 2 valuable hours saved. It's going to be another 2004. One dominant team, one dominant driver. Yawn.

I actually enjoyed 2004 more than 2005. Looking past the first one or two positions, the racing in the pack was better in my opinion.

[gincarnated]

I don't recall many people criticising Hamilton but with the new season, comes the paranoia I guess!

We had a whole thread that that went on for months whose primary reason for existing was just that.

[OO7]

I don't recall many people criticising Hamilton but with the new season, comes the paranoia I guess!

As often is the case after a Hamilton success a thread was opened, at that time to discuss racing etiquette, with Hamilton's maneouvres top of the agenda.

[turssi]

Good performances from those who participated, I just wished to see more pilots arrive at the chequered flag...

[mawerickinf1]

i know i am a bit off topic (pardon me) but when i saw the race today.... i didnt feel i was wtachinf F1 at all. it all looked so dull and neg vibes. never did it looked so worryingly poor. mclarens have done the worst job they could have. starting last.. i mean come on. sauber manor,,, rb wanting to quit. i dont like RB s anyways but i dont want them to quiting. the worst first day of the season in years. only worse was 1995... when senna wasnt there. is it only me

[BiH]

Race was boring really really boring.

 

The gap between Mercedes and rest is scary.

 

 

Also looking at lap charts, crazy how consistent tires are now.....everyone can now do 15+ laps less than half a second of their car potential.

[Knot]

If LewHam was any faster, he'd be looking at his own taillight by the end of the race.

[jonpollak]

I take it all back..
In hindsight the OP was commensurate with the race.
 

Jp

[muramasa]

Rock and Roll!

 

 

 

Also, what is the 'industry field'?

factory, construction site etc apparently.

in such sites, such conduct is serious negligence and if any incident due to the negligence then the company and/or person in charge will be prosecuted.

[Mercedestorque1]

This is a joke right? Did Rosberg really say that? No way man... 

i think they'll be race ending contact at some point in the season between these two 

[ionutf1fan]

Lamest race in years.

Hope Redbull, Mclaren and Lotus will catch up to the pace of Ferrari and Wiliams, otherwise will be a long season...

[Exb]

Driver interviews (Ricciardo/Nasr/Massa/Sainz/Button/Verstappen/Hulkenburg)
https://www.formula1...e/en/video.html

 

Jenson  

Edited by Exb, 15 March 2015 - 20:16.

[BullHead]

well, y'know. racing is racing. it was a race. the competition happens. any drama / battle etc. that happens or not is consequential. it's sport not entertainment, (or should be)

[Scuferrari]

Rewatch the whole race it until the FOM deletes it (which might be a matter of hours or minutes) :

 

[JHSingo]

Why would anyone want to re-watch it?

 

Unless you need some help getting off to sleep, of course...

[Scuferrari]

Why would anyone want to re-watch it?

 

Unless you need some help getting off to sleep, of course...

 

I liked to rewatch every race in 2004 that Schumi won. Same with Alonso in Ferrari. No matter how boring the race. I also like to rewatch races (if they went the right way) in different languages (able to understand 4-5). Maybe I'm not the only one.

[noikeee]

The most surprising thing I learned from the race had nothing to do with the race itself, but rather the fact that Mark Webber is a surprisingly good commentator. He could easily become another Brundle.

Doesn't surprise me at all, he was always a very articulate and outspoken guy all his years in F1. 

[ppcghost]

Anyone else find it funny that a lot of last year the Sky commentators were lamenting about how the ear bleeding sound of the cars was gone and today when the F/A-18 was doing the flyby on the pre-show they were complaining how loud the jet was and how they couldn't hear each other?

[The Passenger]

You again!!!  Yeah, keep laughing and celebrating and shoving pictures of your delicious looking snacks (barring the cherry tomatoes (tomatoes yuk!!!)) in our faces.  When we get to the European rounds we'll see who's laughing then!!!

 

I will be insanely jealous of you Europeans, and will probably never get time to catch up on the race threads to say so.  Lucky you.  

 

At least I made up for it this weekend. 

 

Still, I've got Malaysia, China and Japan to look forward to. Shut up about having more than twice that many.    

[Frankbullitt]

It will be interesting to see what the newspapers have to say about it.

[PLAYLIFE]

People's expectation of every race being a 'cracker' is seriously delusional.

 

it's typical of the current generation, wanting everything all of the time and right now.  They can't manage to not look at their mobile phone for 2 minutes, god forbid they should listen to someone else talking.  Too many people need to have their opinions heard or tell the world that they're going to the toilet on FB thinking that anyone else gives a damn.

 

Most GPs I've seen live or televised, and I have seen on video every race that was broadcast since 1976 plus a few before that, is what people now would consider 'boring'.  But as I maintain, it's only boring if you don't know where to look, what you're looking at or if you're wanting to see death defying overtakes.

 

I suggest taking a step back and understand what these drivers and teams are achieving, both from a technical and physical viewpoint.  If you're fortunate enough and have the chance I strongly suggest driving a high-powered car around a racing circuit.  if you're respect for what these guys do on a race by race basis is not changed then motorsport is not for you.

[Jvr]

Lorenzo de Luca analysing speeds and strategies as well as some improvements over the year. Nice charts and quite enjoyable reading. Recommended.

 

https://lorenzodl83....true-potential/

[Disgrace]

People's expectation of every race being a 'cracker' is seriously delusional.

 

it's typical of the current generation, wanting everything all of the time and right now.  They can't manage to not look at their mobile phone for 2 minutes, god forbid they should listen to someone else talking.  Too many people need to have their opinions heard or tell the world that they're going to the toilet on FB thinking that anyone else gives a damn.

 

Most GPs I've seen live or televised, and I have seen on video every race that was broadcast since 1976 plus a few before that, is what people now would consider 'boring'.  But as I maintain, it's only boring if you don't know where to look, what you're looking at or if you're wanting to see death defying overtakes.

 

I suggest taking a step back and understand what these drivers and teams are achieving, both from a technical and physical viewpoint.  If you're fortunate enough and have the chance I strongly suggest driving a high-powered car around a racing circuit.  if you're respect for what these guys do on a race by race basis is not changed then motorsport is not for you.

 

This is just pitiful. If you read the critical comment about this race and F1's current state more generally, much comes from the perspective that F1 isn't what it was in the past. Some of the fans on this board with that opinion are longtime fans like yourself. How do you reconcile these fans with your description without implicating yourself? Looking at the declining viewing figures for F1, your stereotypical youth is no longer even watching F1 so who are you addressing really?

 

It's worth understanding what fans actually have a problem with. The kind of financiers who own and extract money from F1 take an approach of short-term profit over anything that stands in it's way. Are CVC and Bernie socially-connected, phone-addicted youths? Are such youths in charge of self-interested teams like Red Bull who appeal to the press to have their opinion heard?

 

As it turns out, it seems certain members of the previous generation are squeezing as much money as they can from both members of their own and the current generation before they retire. So not only is your "social commentary" totally irrelevant, it is unwarranted as you are misallocating the blame. This "worst generation ever" plea is nothing but an emotional outburst with very little substance. Writing off those upon whom the sport will ultimately depend for it's survival is fundamentally a self-defeating position.

[BullHead]

I think althletics is pretty popular. Gets a decent viewership, and i've never heard of people moaning about the 800m because there was no pushing and shoving or falling over from the runners....

Edited by BullHead, 16 March 2015 - 11:33.

[cheekybru]

Lorenzo de Luca analysing speeds and strategies as well as some improvements over the year. Nice charts and quite enjoyable reading. Recommended.

 

https://lorenzodl83....true-potential/

 

"Seen the lack of true opponents, then it is very easy to conclude that W06 reliability will be once again the key which will decide who’s gonna win this year ."

 

 

Stupid statement, reliability didn't decide who won last year, other than that good read, the chart at the end is good

Edited by cheekybru, 16 March 2015 - 12:28.

[ScottMB]

Well, Albert Park is a great place to watch an F1 race, even if the race itself was rather dull.  So, I recommend going if you have the opportunity. 

 

Few snaps from Fri/Sat/Sun here http://scottmbailey.com

or https://picasaweb.go...lianF1GrandPrix

[Kristian]

Well, Albert Park is a great place to watch an F1 race, even if the race itself was rather dull.  So, I recommend going if you have the opportunity. 

 

Few snaps from Fri/Sat/Sun here http://scottmbailey.com

or https://picasaweb.go...lianF1GrandPrix

 

Yeah agreed. The second best F1 weekend experience after Montreal, I'd say. 

[Tuxy]

I have become untethered to the roots of this sport that captivated me in my relative youth (1998 season).  I can only appreciate surface deep the spectacle Formula 1 attempts to recapture with every rule change, or political drama that follows in its wake.

 

There's no hook for me, to stick around long enough to appreciate the deeper subtitles that help extract a finer appreciation to bridge the gap, in-between the capricious spikes of entertaining action.  I feel like I have to be explained to-- why what I'm watching, is the pinnacle of motorsport, rather than the contestants in the race advertise that for itself.

 

I'll say this again and again and again.  Make it an open standard, race what you bring.  Innovation in motorsport is what will bring it back into relevancy.  Creativity is technology is occurring in the automobile industry and we need it more than ever with alternative propulsion.  Tradition is akin to standing still.  If competitor's or governing body cannot reconcile that fact, they should be comfortable knowing their fate in inevitable.

 

Or maybe they shouldn't be trying so hard to expand interest at the expense of their core audience.  Follow the money to your grave, Bernie.

[Lights]

Didn't watch the race and after reading the report it sounds like 2 valuable hours saved. It's going to be another 2004. One dominant team, one dominant driver. Yawn.

 

Same here. First time in many a year I haven't got up for the first race of a new season.

 

Just can't be bothered with it while it is like this.

 

I'll probably look offensive, but I'm honestly wondering why people intentionally don't watch something and then actively discuss that thing on an online forum. I just imagine that if I stop watching F1 one day, I won't be wasting any further time on it.

[Fatgadget]

Same here. First time in many a year I haven't got up for the first race of a new season.

 

Just can't be bothered with it while it is like this.

Puzzling then why you bother coming on-line to biatch about a race you didn't bother watching! 

[micktosin]

This is just pitiful. If you read the critical comment about this race and F1's current state more generally, much comes from the perspective that F1 isn't what it was in the past. Some of the fans on this board with that opinion are longtime fans like yourself. How do you reconcile these fans with your description without implicating yourself? Looking at the declining viewing figures for F1, your stereotypical youth is no longer even watching F1 so who are you addressing really?

 

It's worth understanding what fans actually have a problem with. The kind of financiers who own and extract money from F1 take an approach of short-term profit over anything that stands in it's way. Are CVC and Bernie socially-connected, phone-addicted youths? Are such youths in charge of self-interested teams like Red Bull who appeal to the press to have their opinion heard?

 

As it turns out, it seems certain members of the previous generation are squeezing as much money as they can from both members of their own and the current generation before they retire. So not only is your "social commentary" totally irrelevant, it is unwarranted as you are misallocating the blame. This "worst generation ever" plea is nothing but an emotional outburst with very little substance. Writing off those upon whom the sport will ultimately depend for it's survival is fundamentally a self-defeating position.

This! Nothing more need to be said. It seems some fellow still don't understand why majority of people are not happy. 

[Arion]

Arnie was cute ^^ Neither Vettel or Rosberg was funny at the banter. People are too harsh on Rosberg, anyone who's fighting for WDC with a formidable teammate would be pleased if he didn't finish, it's nothing to do with liking each other or not.

 

Rosberg isn't very creative with mind games, this isn't Hamilton's first WDC, the "he's the defending champion" thing won't have much effect.

[RubalSher]

I'll probably look offensive, but I'm honestly wondering why people intentionally don't watch something and then actively discuss that thing on an online forum. I just imagine that if I stop watching F1 one day, I won't be wasting any further time on it.

 

 

Puzzling then why you bother coming on-line to biatch about a race you didn't bother watching! 

 

And the best part is at least one of them has voted the race (being a public poll) as 1 in the Rate the GP thread

[aditya-now]

My brother is over 6 foot 3 and had Arnie walk past him once.  He pretty much said the same to me that Lewis said on the podium, that the height stats usually attributed to Arnie are off!

 

Your brother obviously experienced the physical height of Arnie. Yet he is larger than life...

[aditya-now]

As often is the case after a Hamilton success a thread was opened, at that time to discuss racing etiquette, with Hamilton's maneouvres top of the agenda.

 

It shows you how much progress Lewis made in the years since....

[GrumpyYoungMan]

I watched the video of the podium interviews and noticed there was a lot of booing, anyone know who this was aimed at?

Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 17 March 2015 - 13:03.

[The Passenger]

I watched the video of the podium interviews and noticed there was a lot of booing, anyone know who this was aimed at?

 

As an Aussie, I can only imagine that it was some "friendly" anti-Brit ribbing at Lewis.  Poor form, in my opinion, but I do have a Pommie husband.

[femi]

Arnie was cute ^^ Neither Vettel or Rosberg was funny at the banter. People are too harsh on Rosberg, anyone who's fighting for WDC with a formidable teammate would be pleased if he didn't finish, it's nothing to do with liking each other or not.
 
Rosberg isn't very creative with mind games, this isn't Hamilton's first WDC, the "he's the defending champion" thing won't have much effect.

He (Nico) is doing all he can up to and including the proverbial the throwing of kitchen sink to upset Lewis !. Last year, it was "I don't like coming second to Lewis" We all saw how he stopped saying that. I expect him to change to something else after getting his butt kicked a few more times.

Yeah, I know we've had just one race so far, my view is Nico hasn't got the equipment to beat Lewis to WDC crown - ever.

Edited by femi, 20 March 2015 - 09:51.

[FrankstonFlyer]

I watched the video of the podium interviews and noticed there was a lot of booing, anyone know who this was aimed at?

Unfortunately Melbourne is usually a bit behind the rest of the world in fashion. I was there. Some in the crowd thought it was still fashionable to boo at poor old Seb.