58 replies to this topic

[LORDBYRON]

Well with a limited budget it seems manor has done the imposable and revived  a team with about $60 million budget were as Honda as had millions to throw at McLaren and have to de tune there engines just to run as they have screwed up some where down the line 

 

I can see manor out qualifying McLaren in Malaysia with a old 14 engine when McLaren have new top of the range spec that seems to be garbage and nearly 5 seconds of the pace 

 

Mad as my post seem i can really see it happening has McLaren have no reliability 

[Nitropower]

impossible, whereas, their engines, were, an, off

[HoldenRT]

No.

[LORDBYRON]

I believe it will and can happen 

[RockBrocaine]

Maybe you should've waited until they actually get their engines fire up and cars out on track before making this thread?

[Mackey]

Merhi said the other day that they are like 2.5-3 seconds off McLaren at the moment (It´s the 2014 car so they more or less know its speed). So no.

[charly0418]

Merhi said the other day that they are like 2.5-3 seconds off McLaren at the moment (It´s the 2014 car so they more or less know its speed). So no.

 

holy crap so they're like 8 seconds off Mercedes? lmao

[travbrad]

Merhi said the other day that they are like 2.5-3 seconds off McLaren at the moment (It´s the 2014 car so they more or less know its speed). So no.

 

Yep the cars have moved forward a lot compared to last year as one would expect in only the 2nd year of brand new regulations.  Based on what we've seen in testing and Melbourne even the "midfield" teams like Force India, STR, Lotus, etc are equally fast if not faster than Mercedes was in 2014.  The problem for them is that Mercedes is A LOT faster than they were in 2014.

 

I'd also expect a lot more development potential from Mclaren as the season progresses because A) They have a huge amount of resources compared to Manor and B) They are starting with a brand new PU and car that has barely even done any laps.  Finishing the race in Melbourne was actually an improvement over where they were in testing.

[RockBrocaine]

Merhi said the other day that they are like 2.5-3 seconds off McLaren at the moment (It´s the 2014 car so they more or less know its speed). So no.

Wowsers! I wonder how long before the have the 2015 chassis ready. I can't help but imagine, they could be grabbing some valuable points with the new Ferrari PU upgrades.

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

No chance. Can't see Mclaren Honda have a 1999 BAR esque season. 

[BillBald]

Is the OP talking about one race, or the entire season?

 

There is a chance that the McLaren-Honda might still be very slow this weekend.

 

Over the entire season, no chance at all.

[superden]

No.

[ninetyzero]

Only in the hopes and dreams of Ferrari fans...

[TomNokoe]

I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN

[superden]

I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN

SHOUTING DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.

[igoru]

We will beat Ferrari soon. Respect.

[StudMuffin]

McClaren will be poor again this weekend,  but have no doubt they will be much stronger as each race goes by. I doubt they will win a GP this season, but they will "climb the ladder" so to speak.

[Kristian]

Yep the cars have moved forward a lot compared to last year as one would expect in only the 2nd year of brand new regulations.  

 

Some of that is tyres too. 

[JuanPablo]

Honda and McLaren will make big strides over the season. Well, they have to! But Manor will be behind them anyway. Getting a car to the finish in Sepang this weekend would be a great result for Manor.

[showtime]

On qualy I don't think so. The race is a different story, will any of the McLarens finish it?

[Lotus53B]

I'm not sure either McLaren will finish this weekend.  I'd like to be wrong though.

[Grundle]

Imagine Rons' face if this happens.

[kevinracefan]

hmmmm... great question...

McLaren finished the last race..

Manor didn't turn one revolution...

In my opinion, no way in hell...

[Peter0Scandlyn]

Honda and McLaren will make big strides over the season. Well, they have to! But Manor will be behind them anyway. Getting a car to the finish in Sepang this weekend would be a great result for Manor.

 

Oh come on!

Getting a car STARTED in etc etc etc......

[jurchenking]

Manor was resurrected so that its investors could take a bite at the prize money  .  

 

The team will show up at GPs to meet its obligation, but won't attempt to qualify or race  .

 

Expect Manor to make up all sorts of excuses in Malaysia, not to send their cars out.  The prize money they're targeting is worth much more than the freight costs they have to bear themselves.

[muramasa]

Manor car is not fast but is basically last year's car so it's a proven car. Also run Ferrari engine that's more than proven and can be pushed hard. So they can beat Mclaren for sure, especially if they are running with 2015 spec Ferrari engine.

Edited by muramasa, 26 March 2015 - 04:12.

[Rurouni]

If they're running 2014 spec PU, the answer would probably be no.
If they're running 2015 spec PU, then yes.
This is purely about the car speed, not reliability. If we account for reliability, then it would likely be no. Even as proven as it is, the fact is they haven't run the car for a relatively long time.

[teejay]

I assume the 2-3 seconds behind comment was made when the manor was still on stands?

 

Once fired up and rolling should be right there pushing Honda.

[Giz]

I'd think that McLaren will be faster but I am looking forward to possibility of Alonso V Stevens part 2 after Abu Dhabi last year

[fZero]

I had to vote no, but I really hope they do

[aramos]

Why would anyone think that? McLarens pace was actually quite strong.

 

Marussia will be running an outdated PU and a car put together at the last minute

[ConsiderAndGo]

Why would anyone think that? McLarens pace was actually quite strong.

 

Marussia will be running an outdated PU and a car put together at the last minute

 

What.?!?! Did I miss something?       

[FullThrottleF1]

Manor was resurrected so that its investors could take a bite at the prize money  .  

 

The team will show up at GPs to meet its obligation, but won't attempt to qualify or race  .

 

Expect Manor to make up all sorts of excuses in Malaysia, not to send their cars out.  The prize money they're targeting is worth much more than the freight costs they have to bear themselves.

You do know they have to run in Malaysia? 

[SamH123]

I reckon decent chance Manor won't even make 107% rule

Mclaren will comfortably be faster imo

[Petroltorque]

Absolutely, positively not. Sepang FP1 is in effect a shake down. They have no data on the '15 rubber. More pertinent is what will be the gap to McLaren.

[Jamiednm]

Shouldn't this thread be 'Will Manor beat McLaren'?

[aramos]

What.?!?! Did I miss something?       

 

You did seemingly. Their cornering speed was one of the fastest on the grid, yes, the PU wasn't running properly and that affected both their pace and fuel economy, but from what we saw of the baseline pace of the car it was actually very strong if they can get the engine operational. That will come with time.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Mclaren will beat Manor comfortably. I doubt they'll even qualify.

[ConsiderAndGo]

You did seemingly. Their cornering speed was one of the fastest on the grid, yes, the PU wasn't running properly and that affected both their pace and fuel economy, but from what we saw of the baseline pace of the car it was actually very strong if they can get the engine operational. That will come with time.

 

Seems you missed the 2/3 seconds a lap off the pace lap time.

 

Quick indeed.

[aramos]

Seems you missed the 2/3 seconds a lap off the pace lap time.

 

Quick indeed.

 

You seem to be trying to imply thats the cars peak pace. When you have the ICE and particularly the ERS turned right down to merely run, of course yes, the car will be lacking in ultimate power and ultimate pace. But the potential of the car was quick, that it was measuring quicker apex speeds than both Ferraris when it had basically no pre season development is a fantastic sign.

[Sanzx81]

I hope not, I get no pleasure from seeing McLaren at the back, with their history they should be near the front imo.

[danmills]

Well with a limited budget it seems manor has done the imposable and revived  a team with about $60 million budget were as Honda as had millions to throw at McLaren and have to de tune there engines just to run as they have screwed up some where down the line 

 

I can see manor out qualifying McLaren in Malaysia with a old 14 engine when McLaren have new top of the range spec that seems to be garbage and nearly 5 seconds of the pace 

 

Mad as my post seem i can really see it happening has McLaren have no reliability 

 

They haven't done anything yet. Turned up, but not turned a wheel so to speak.

 

It's all hypothetical until a car actualy hits the track.

 

The only impossible thing achieved is this nonesense analysis trying to come across as a factual statement.

[Brother Fox]

I'm going to say yes mainly because I want to see it happen. Even though I'm a big fan of both Alonso and Button .... I'm weird like that

[ToxicEnviroment]

Wasn't Williams' budget in 1992 something like 45 millions?

[danmills]

Maybe, but back then £45million was the equivalent of what, £125m+ today?

 

The same as Freddos were 10p, and today 20p.

Edited by danmills, 26 March 2015 - 15:59.

[kosmos]

No, Merhi said on the Spanish radio a week ago that they are even slower than McLaren.

[SirVanhan]

No. I actually fear for Manor not to qualify within the 107%.

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

Maybe, but back then £45million was the equivalent of what, £125m+ today?

The same as Freddos were 10p, and today 20p.

I have never got over Fredo prices.

[Otaku]

Shouldn't this thread be 'Will Manor beat McLaren'?

 

Actually it should be "Will Manor complete a full lap?"

[LORDBYRON]

I think they will both make it under the 107%