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#1 Kristian

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 14:58

Looks like Sky are doing this now... 

 

Hamilton - 9

Rosberg - 7

Vettel - 8

Massa - 6

Nasr - 9

Ricciardo - 8

Hulkenberg - 7

Ericsson - 7

Sainz - 6

Perez - 6

Button - 7

Raikkonen - 6

Verstappen - 7

 

Rest - N/A

 

http://www1.skysport...-driver-ratings

 

I think they are being generous on Ricciardo and  Ericsson, and harsh on Sainz. 



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#2 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 14:59

Agreed, Sainz drove better than Verstappen, yet get's a lower rating?

 

And why does Raikkonen only get a 6? He didn't make any mistakes and would have been on Seb's pace if not for his incidents.



#3 MastaKink

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:00

Shocking marks for Massa.and Raikkonen. Kimi especially.



#4 jonpollak

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:01

Yep..I'll agree with your assessment Kristian

I thought Chilli did really well after that soul destroying pit stop.

 

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#5 Exb

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:03

I'm not sure they were paying attention to anyone other than Hamilton. Massa did nothing wrong and probably deserved more than 6, same with Kimi and Sainz did really well - the explanation for him getting a 6 was:
 

and, prior to his team-mate’s retirement, he was trailing in the wake of Max Verstappen on race day.


Yes but only because his race was ruined due to a very long pit stop.

Edited by Exb, 15 March 2015 - 15:04.


#6 trogggy

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:08

The problem with these ratings is it's often just impossible to come up with something meaningful so they just make up a number.

eg Button.

Outqualified team-mate.  Great.

But team-mate says he had PU issue.  So maybe not so great.

Team-mate not racing, so no direct comparison.

Finished last - that was always going to happen.

Was it a great drive?  Was he just coasting round?  I've no idea.

 

'Fuggit, I dunno, give him a 7.  Next.'



#7 Knowlesy

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:15

Perez was nowhere near a six for God's sake

#8 Spillage

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:18

They seem to have nobbled Raikkonen and Sainz for problems that manifestly weren't their fault. Why has Verstappen been given a higher rating than Sainz?



#9 DarthWillie

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:20

massa 6???????????

Sainz 6????????????????

stupidy beyond belief



#10 Jimisgod

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 15:37

What the? Sainz comprehensively outquaifies Max and he still can't get a higher rating.

 

Massa takes a fine 3rd in quali and only gets 6?



#11 kimister

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:16

WTF?! Kimi 6 really??? Are they blind or incredibly biased  ??? There isn't a single mistake he did. His pace was great.  :rolleyes:

 

And Massa 6 ??


Edited by kimister, 15 March 2015 - 16:17.


#12 Mackey

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:19

Why has Verstappen been given a higher rating than Sainz?

 

Because hype?



#13 noikeee

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:20

WTF?! Kimi 6 really??? Are they blind or incredibly biased  ???

 

6 seems about right. Qualified behind Vettel (if not by much), made a dreadful start and was lucky not to DNF there, then was unable to overtake slower cars for a ton of laps (and remember he had a quicker car than Nasr and Ricciardo, and a more powerful engine than Ricciardo). The positive was that he was very quick in clear air in the softs, allowing him to finally overlap that train of cars, but still ended far behind Vettel. I don't really see the problem with this rating.



#14 rasul

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:20

What did Verstappen do to deserve a higher rating? Okay, Sainz hit Kimi, but still.

Kimi deserved a 7, IMO.


Edited by rasul, 15 March 2015 - 16:21.


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:40

Perez was nowhere near a six for God's sake


I'd say It's accurate. He had a nice battle with Jenson, and with Sainz as well; but he was unable to actually pass Jenson until later in the race having a much quicker Force India. So yeah, I think a six is just right.

#16 A3

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:42

What did Verstappen do to deserve a higher rating?.


Max drove more consistent (I was looking at F1's live timing app during the race), was effectively faster than Sainz because he started on the harder tyre and only lost about 5-7 seconds on him.

#17 Raikkonen94

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:44

6 seems about right. Qualified behind Vettel (if not by much), made a dreadful start and was lucky not to DNF there, then was unable to overtake slower cars for a ton of laps (and remember he had a quicker car than Nasr and Ricciardo, and a more powerful engine than Ricciardo). The positive was that he was very quick in clear air in the softs, allowing him to finally overlap that train of cars, but still ended far behind Vettel. I don't really see the problem with this rating.

 

His start was so 'dreadful' because he got hit from behind by Sainz (who confirmed this and apologized) which activated the anti-stall. Can't really see how you could blame Kimi for that.



#18 Collective

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:46

Sainz 6? Made Q3 in a Toro Rosso, out qualifying his teammate by a good margin. Was beating his teammate until the team fudged his pit stop. Had an otherwise good race given the car. Gets a 6. EDIT: Saw the Kimi thing... still not convinced given Q and positioning before pit stops.

 

What the hell were they smoking?

 

Perez loses the car while trying to pass Jenson, spins, consistently posts slower times than his teammate during the race, also gets a 6.

 

Ehrm...


Edited by Collective, 15 March 2015 - 16:50.


#19 charly0418

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:50

Perez 5 Hulk 8



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#20 A3

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:51

His start was so 'dreadful' because he got hit from behind by Sainz (who confirmed this and apologized) which activated the anti-stall. Can't really see how you could blame Kimi for that.


Maybe that's why they rated Sainz with a 6, because that eventually caused the crash of Maldonado.

#21 A3

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 16:55

Sainz 6? Made Q3 in a Toro Rosso, out qualifying his teammate by a good margin. Was beating his teammate until the team fudged his pit stop. Had an otherwise good race given the car. Gets a 6. EDIT: Saw the Kimi thing... still not convinced given Q and positioning before pit stops.

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Again, max was on the harder tyre, the gap was quite small considering....

And out qualifying by a good margin? Max beat Carlos by .4 seconds in Q1, in Q2 Carlos beat Max by .25 seconds while Max had a big moment in that lap.

#22 JHSingo

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:03

And so the faux outrage about something that is completely subjective, and means absolutely sod all, starts again.

 

I fail to understand why people get to so worked up about this type of thing. Most drivers probably don't give a monkey's what Sky or anyone else has 'rated' them.



#23 PATISIQ

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:13

Max was very consistend on harder tyres made really good laptimes, on soft no comparison because of his engine blowout. But i figure he would have been quite some faster than sainz, could have finished 6 includind the dismal renault engine which lacks a lot of speed.

#24 Atreiu

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:21

If those are their ratings I dont expect them to give a single 10 all year long.

#25 P123

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:24

It's only the opinion of one person. I don't think I've ever agreed entirely with any ratings list.

#26 extremeday

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:27

"A solid points for Felipe Massa haul from a solid performance. But no more than that"

 

"Massa blamed “losing a second-and-a-half behind Daniel Ricciardo on my out-lap” for the loss of third position to Vettel but, as Williams chief Pat Symonds acknowledged afterwards, Ferrari had the faster package this weekend. Although he was disappointed to have finished fourth, Massa would surely have struggled to rebuff the advances of Kimi Raikkonen but for the Finn’s costly first-lap aggravation and the impression throughout was that Williams were missing the muscular aggression of Valtteri Bottas"

 

 

What? 

 

So Massa qualifies ahead of faster packages, he is overtaken during pit stops, he finishes right behind the faster packages of Mercedes and Ferrari and he deserves a 6?



#27 MikePost

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:28

How can you possibly rate Hamilton and Rosberg?

 

The cars so much faster than the opposition they could have drove like Perez and still come 1st 2nd!

 

It's just random selection based on perception, no one did anything spectacular in this race!



#28 Knowlesy

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:31

I'd say It's accurate. He had a nice battle with Jenson, and with Sainz as well; but he was unable to actually pass Jenson until later in the race having a much quicker Force India. So yeah, I think a six is just right.


I find it deeply generous tbh.

I mean, I don't care really. But he has been given the same rating as people who didn't leave the track 83 times whilst struggling to handle a McLaren Honda.

#29 David Lightman

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:36

Pole, Win, Fastest Lap.

 

9/10

 

Does he have to find Lord Lucan on the slowing down lap to get a 10?



#30 MastaKink

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:40

Pole, Win, Fastest Lap.

 

9/10

 

Does he have to find Lord Lucan on the slowing down lap to get a 10?

 

He's lucky he didn't get a 6 for missing his mark in the pit stop with this guy doing the scoring.



#31 redraven9

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:40

Looks like Sky are doing this now... 

 

Hamilton - 9

Rosberg - 7

Vettel - 8

Massa - 6

Nasr - 9

Ricciardo - 8

Hulkenberg - 7

Ericsson - 7

Sainz - 6

Perez - 6

Button - 7

Raikkonen - 6

Verstappen - 7

 

Rest - N/A

 

http://www1.skysport...-driver-ratings

 

I think they are being generous on Ricciardo and  Ericsson, and harsh on Sainz. 

Almost agreed except for two:  

Nasr 9 for absolutely excellent race and great qualifying on his first race, easily a 10 in my book. Jenson 7 for being faster than Kevin in Q, and bringing the car home, even showing flashes of brilliance against Perez. At least an 8. Nothing else he could have done. 

Also, Massa a 6? 


Edited by redraven9, 15 March 2015 - 17:45.


#32 ANF

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:41

"A points-scoring debut in F1 is no trifling achievement and Carlos Sainz’s ninth place will have silenced the sceptics - for now at least. Over the course of the weekend, however, there were plenty of scruffy moments from the young Spaniard.
Rating out of ten: 6"

Well, yes, there were. He even managed to put the wheels on the grass under braking to T15 and spin twice.

 

(Nevertheless, I think both Toro Rosso drivers made a solid debut.)



#33 David Lightman

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:43

Is this written by the same berk who does it on Planet F1?



#34 zanquis

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:43

Sainz 6? Made Q3 in a Toro Rosso, out qualifying his teammate by a good margin. Was beating his teammate until the team fudged his pit stop. Had an otherwise good race given the car. Gets a 6. EDIT: Saw the Kimi thing... still not convinced given Q and positioning before pit stops.

 

What the hell were they smoking?

 

FP there where equally matched the difference was small.

He was beaten in Q1, would have probably been beaten in Q2 if not for one mistake from his teammate, but he came out on top.

In race he looked to be beaten by his teammate as he could not outrun him on the faster tires. MV managed to hold the gap within margin and could most likely move up to 7th place if not for a Renault engine. Sorry but yes everyone could see CS being a bit in front but MV was managing his fuel and tires much better.

Still CS drove a solid race, but had a weak finish.

 

So it can be justified to rate MV higher but I think they both should be a 7.


Edited by zanquis, 15 March 2015 - 17:55.


#35 rasul

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:45

Pole, Win, Fastest Lap.

 

9/10

 

Does he have to find Lord Lucan on the slowing down lap to get a 10?

I seem to remember that Vettel rarely got a 10 on his perfect weekends, either. So nothing strange here.



#36 tmekt

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:48

I seem to remember that Vettel rarely got a 10 on his perfect weekends, either. So nothing strange here.

But he did the finger thing so it's fine.



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 17:52

Ok, I´ve read all of them. After reading some of those ratings and the corresponding explanations, I think that it is as subjective as the most subjective thing can be 

 

"Not a day to remember for Kimi Raikkonen. On the back foot after he was given a shove into the second corner, the Finn was on the road to recovery before a malfunctioning pit-stop forced him to retire. “It’s simply that, today, everything happened to me,” bemoaned Kimi. True, but Raikkonen was also the architect of his own downfall with the mistake in qualifying which cost him third on the grid. But for that..."

 

And Vettel, who qualified fourth behind the slower package of Felipe Massa, gets an 8 :lol:  



#38 MikePost

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 18:30

to get a ten you must do something spectacular like Button did winning from last in Canada in the third best car!

 

Hamilton drove a solid race but did nothing of note as the car is 2 seconds a lap faster than the opposition, so it's a bit odd to give him 10 just for beating Rosberg!



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:59

Autosport ratings:

 

 

1 F. Nasr 10

2 L. Hamilton 10

3 N. Hulkenberg 9

4 S. Vettel 9

5 C. Sainz Jr. 8

6 J. Button 8

7 K. Raikkonen 8

8 R. Grosjean 8

9 V. Bottas 8

10 M. Verstappen 7 

11 F. Massa 7

12 D. Ricciardo 7 

13 N. Rosberg 6

14 P. Maldonado 6

15 D. Kvyat 5

16 K. Magnussen 5

17 M. Ericsson 5

18 S. Perez 3


Edited by spaceace1977, 16 March 2015 - 11:01.


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#40 SenorSjon

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 11:10

lol

 

Hamilton 10

Rosberg for following Hamilton home 6...

 

Give them both a 6 and the team a 10. That was absolutely no 10 performance..



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 11:45

AMuS ratings

 

Lewis Hamilton: 10/10
Nico Rosberg: 8/10
Sebastian Vettel: 9/10
Felipe Massa: 8/10
Felipe Nasr: 10/10
Daniel Ricciardo: 7/10
Nico Hülkenberg: 8/10
Marcus Ericsson: 7/10
Carlos Sainz: 8/10
Sergio Perez: 5/10
Jenson Button: 8/10
Kimi Räikkönen: 7/10
Max Verstappen: 6/10
Romain Grosjean: 6/10
Pastor Maldonado: 5/10
Daniil Kvyat: 5/10
Kevin Magnussen: 5/10
Valtteri Bottas: 7/10
 

Edited by KTownDevil, 16 March 2015 - 11:46.


#42 tmekt

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 11:59

lol

 

Hamilton 10

Rosberg for following Hamilton home 6...

 

Give them both a 6 and the team a 10. That was absolutely no 10 performance..

Give Hamilton the same rating as Rosberg? I'd say he performed significantly better, so while 10 seems a bit over the top, it's definitely justified to have him one or two ratings above Nico.



#43 Kristian

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 12:00

lol

 

Hamilton 10

Rosberg for following Hamilton home 6...

 

Give them both a 6 and the team a 10. That was absolutely no 10 performance..

 

Indeed. A 10 should be utter domination of the race and your teammate. A 2s gap much of the race does not warrant either Hamilton on a 10 or Nico on a 6... 

 

A 10 should be for drives like that of Schumacher at Hungary '98 - crusiing at the front in an utterly dominant car does not warrent it at all. 



#44 krapmeister

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 12:05

AMuS ratings
 
Lewis Hamilton: 10/10
Nico Rosberg: 8/10
Sebastian Vettel: 9/10
Felipe Massa: 8/10
Felipe Nasr: 10/10
Daniel Ricciardo: 7/10
Nico Hülkenberg: 8/10
Marcus Ericsson: 7/10
Carlos Sainz: 8/10
Sergio Perez: 5/10
Jenson Button: 8/10
Kimi Räikkönen: 7/10
Max Verstappen: 6/10
Romain Grosjean: 6/10
Pastor Maldonado: 5/10
Daniil Kvyat: 5/10
Kevin Magnussen: 5/10
Valtteri Bottas: 7/10
 
http://www.auto-moto...ie-9324628.html


Ericsson a 7?!? Really?

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 12:10

Indeed. A 10 should be utter domination of the race and your teammate. A 2s gap much of the race does not warrant either Hamilton on a 10 or Nico on a 6... 

 

A 10 should be for drives like that of Schumacher at Hungary '98 - crusiing at the front in an utterly dominant car does not warrent it at all. 

 

You should get only a few 10's during a season for an outstanding performance. Nasr's drive wasn't a 10 either. The Sauber was good enough yesterday and he had no particular effort or overtake to make that position.



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 12:18

Ok, I´ve read all of them. After reading some of those ratings and the corresponding explanations, I think that it is as subjective as the most subjective thing can be 

 

"Not a day to remember for Kimi Raikkonen. On the back foot after he was given a shove into the second corner, the Finn was on the road to recovery before a malfunctioning pit-stop forced him to retire. “It’s simply that, today, everything happened to me,” bemoaned Kimi. True, but Raikkonen was also the architect of his own downfall with the mistake in qualifying which cost him third on the grid. But for that..."

 

And Vettel, who qualified fourth behind the slower package of Felipe Massa, gets an 8 :lol:  

More like the archicect of his own downfall on ratings by admitting his mistakes.



#47 P123

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 12:25

to get a ten you must do something spectacular like Button did winning from last in Canada in the third best car!

 

Hamilton drove a solid race but did nothing of note as the car is 2 seconds a lap faster than the opposition, so it's a bit odd to give him 10 just for beating Rosberg!

 

2 seconds.  wow!  Did you add on Alonso 6 tenths and sprinkle in a few more for good effect?

 

How can you possibly rate Hamilton and Rosberg?

 

The cars so much faster than the opposition they could have drove like Perez and still come 1st 2nd!

 

It's just random selection based on perception, no one did anything spectacular in this race!

 

How could you not rate them?  How could you then rate Vettel?  He could have driven twice as bad as Perez and still finished in 4th!  He 'only' beat Massa.  With your logic we can only start rating from Nasr.



#48 William Hunt

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 13:11

Rosberg deserved way more as a 7 (Sky) or 6 (Autosport) since he was driving the race all the time at the same pace as Hamilton and just finished 1.5 sec behind him, ridiculous. Also: Maldonado was pushed in the wall at the start, not his fault.


Edited by William Hunt, 16 March 2015 - 13:12.


#49 robefc

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 14:17

Rosberg deserved way more as a 7 (Sky) or 6 (Autosport) since he was driving the race all the time at the same pace as Hamilton and just finished 1.5 sec behind him, ridiculous. Also: Maldonado was pushed in the wall at the start, not his fault.


The alternative way to look at is he was in a 2 horse race on sat and sun and lost both. Sat was by a big margin and never did he look like pushing Lewis on Sun.

As for Lewis getting a 10, depends really if you start from 10 and deduct points for mistakes/under performance or whether you view 10 as something absolutely outstanding. I would judge by the latter criteria but he deserves 10 if judged by the former.

#50 robefc

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 14:18

The problem with these ratings is it's often just impossible to come up with something meaningful so they just make up a number.
eg Button.
Outqualified team-mate.  Great.
But team-mate says he had PU issue.  So maybe not so great.
Team-mate not racing, so no direct comparison.
Finished last - that was always going to happen.
Was it a great drive?  Was he just coasting round?  I've no idea.
 
'Fuggit, I dunno, give him a 7.  Next.'


I agree but i liked new boy Ben's explanation for autosport regarding JB