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#1051 P123

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 08:24

Nice work Marklar. Both ratings seems fairly similar, apart from the fact that AMUS really don't rate either Button or Alonso!

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#1052 selespeed

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 08:26

to this i am amazed autosport didn't give alonso a 10 for valencia 2012



#1053 SenorSjon

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 08:34

Because he got a few tens for showing up at the track. Imo he did not deliver 5 perfect races. The car is so dominant, they hardly have the chance to make mistakes.



#1054 Knowlesy

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 11:57

Because he got a few tens for showing up at the track. Imo he did not deliver 5 perfect races. The car is so dominant, they hardly have the chance to make mistakes.

 

Err, yeah, bit contradictory that.



#1055 Kristian

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 14:08

Its true though; Stevens could have the most perfect race in a Manor, wresting it for the whole race doing perfect lap after perfect lap, but still wouldn't get more than 7 probably (especially if his teammate retires early and lose comparison) as the highest he could finish is 19th. 

 

Hamilton or Rosberg could have coasted races this year and still dominated, and get a 9 or 10 - its a lot easier to look good when not on the limit. 



#1056 THEWALL

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 00:21

  
Lewis Hamilton tops F1 team principals' top 10 drivers of 2015
By Ian Parkes    Tuesday, December 1st 2015, 10:28 GMT

Lewis Hamilton, F1 2015

World champion Lewis Hamilton has emerged as the victor of Autosport's Formula 1 team principals' top 10 drivers poll for 2015.

As in recent years, Autosport has conducted an exclusive poll of all 10 team principals, asking them for their top-10 drivers based on performances on track over the past 19 races.

The results are kept a complete secret, ensuring honesty and objectivity, with only the overall standings published based on F1's scoring system of 25 points for first place, down to one for 10th.

With Hamilton winning 10 grands prix this season, and claiming his third title with three races to spare, the 30-year-old collected a grand total of 229 points from a possible maximum of 250.

Hamilton ended top with the majority of team principals, ensuring he finished 49 points clear of runner-up Sebastian Vettel.

In lifting Ferrari back on to the top of the podium with three victories, Vettel was a comfortable second, with Mercedes' Nico Rosberg a distant third despite his strong end to the campaign.

Following a brilliant rookie season with Toro Rosso, which included fourth-place finishes in Hungary and the United States, 17-year-old Max Verstappen clinched fourth place in the rankings.

Despite a wretched year with McLaren, last year's runner-up Fernando Alonso was still recognised for his displays in an under-performing car with sixth place.

Daniel Ricciardo, who was third last year after claiming three wins with Red Bull, dropped to ninth following a far more difficult season for the team, although his team-mate Daniil Kvyat - with Toro Rosso in '14 - rose from 10th last season to fifth on this occasion.

2015 AUTOSPORT TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10

1 Lewis Hamilton (229pts)
2 Sebastian Vettel (180)
3 Nico Rosberg (113)
4 Max Verstappen (77)
5 Daniil Kvyat (69)
6 Fernando Alonso (57)
7 Valtteri Bottas (52)
8 Sergio Perez (48)
9 Daniel Ricciardo (47)
10 Kimi Raikkonen (37)

 

ROS too high IMO, ALO 6th with BUT nowhere? That's the weight of a name for you. RAI should not be top ten by any standards either.



#1057 Cloxxki

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:56

Amazing the TP's appreciate Kvyat over Ricciardo. And Max over him.
If Horner was one of the TP's quizzed and voting similarly, that might might mean controversy for the future. Rating reserse to picking order for these 3, I'd say.

 

Alonso proves it's more about emotion than performance here. A guy who opts to cut the season shorts because he's not in winning position.



#1058 Kristian

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:56

The TP one really mystifies me in terms of Kimi Raikkonen - maybe his Abu Dhabi race influenced it. 

 

The fairest way to do that poll is to ask the TPs after every 5 races, and aggregate at the end of the season. 



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Posted 02 December 2015 - 12:56

The TP one really mystifies me in terms of Kimi Raikkonen - maybe his Abu Dhabi race influenced it. 

 

The fairest way to do that poll is to ask the TPs after every 5 races, and aggregate at the end of the season. 

It could also have something to do with the point scoring system. If just 2 TP's out of 10 still see greatness in Kimi while the rest grants him no points, he easily makes the top-10. Sad though that the 2nd Ferrari driver and former WDC is said to be unfairly propped up to 10th. The Rosberg argument may be valid here to a degree. It's easy to say anyone would be WDC in the Mercedes if Hamilton weren't around. But you'd still have to out-score Rosberg. And he beat Vettel, generally regarded as a great driver in the 2nd best team. So he's not much below Vettel. To outscore him in a car not all that much quicker. Kimi beats Bottas in FIA points, who is in the next best scoring car. But rather than Vette;/Rosberg, here the difference is not 1 but 4 places.



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#1060 SenorSjon

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 13:04

Perhaps they should make one in the proper 10-6-4-3-2-1 format. ;)



#1061 plumtree

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 13:19

It could also have something to do with the point scoring system. If just 2 TP's out of 10 still see greatness in Kimi while the rest grants him no points, he easily makes the top-10. Sad though that the 2nd Ferrari driver and former WDC is said to be unfairly propped up to 10th. The Rosberg argument may be valid here to a degree. It's easy to say anyone would be WDC in the Mercedes if Hamilton weren't around. But you'd still have to out-score Rosberg. And he beat Vettel, generally regarded as a great driver in the 2nd best team. So he's not much below Vettel. To outscore him in a car not all that much quicker. Kimi beats Bottas in FIA points, who is in the next best scoring car. But rather than Vette;/Rosberg, here the difference is not 1 but 4 places.

If you say so...  :cat: 



#1062 Cloxxki

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 14:26

If you say so...  :cat:

Well, at  least in construction standing, it's the next car down. Much better reliability than Red Bull for sure.
But yeah. Kimi is disappointing. Strange to think back of Irvine and that he was closer to Schumi than Kimi to Vettel.



#1063 plumtree

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 15:29

You're comparing Merc with Ferrari and calling W06 was 'not all that much quicker', right? Often times standing doesn't tell the relative competitiveness of cars and point gap matters more. Better reliability than Red Bull is hardly a compliment, especially when Mercedes themselves had an almost bullet proof year on that front. 
 

Following Mercedes’ domination of the 2014 championship, few would have expected them to pull even further ahead of the opposition in 2014. But the results indicate they did exactly that.
 
The Abu Dhabi Grand Prix was their 12 one-two finish this year, beating the record of 11 they set in 2014. They also managed one more podium than last year, breaking another record, and equalled the record of 16 wins in a season they set last year.
 
Mercedes therefore ended the season on 703 points – two more than last year over the same number of races, despite the abolition of the double points finale. The highest possible score available to them this year was 817 points, of which they scored 86% – another record.
 
The W06s locked out the front row of the grid for the 15th time this year, three more than last year and further new record for the books.

 

They set those records with a comfortable margin. And who knows how much more pace they had in hand? Either Hamilton and Rosberg are driving gods or W06 was more than a 'not all that much quicker car'.

 

Edit: For the record I wasn't bothered by which driver you rate high or not, just thought the reason you use was off from the reality.


Edited by plumtree, 02 December 2015 - 15:47.


#1064 Exb

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 17:40

Posted this in the wrong thread by mistake so will copy it here (where I meant it to go :p)

Skys overall rankings (and I have to say they are probably closer to mine than AS and AMUS despite being at times bizarre through the year)
http://www.skysports...s-2015-averages
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#1065 Sarkis

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 19:31

Some initial thoughts:

  • I'm by no means a particularly big fan of Massa, but I believe he did quite a bit better than these rankings suggest. Was pretty competitive with Bottas, and in general did well. He had some anonymous races, but also a couple of times where he wasn't super lucky. 
  • I have a hard time believing there were 5 drivers worse than Will Stevens in F1. Sure, it's hard to rate the manors, but the amount of times he got beaten by his teammates...
  • The McLaren drivers remain hard to rate. We all know they are good drivers and the car was crap, but aside from that it was fairly difficult to say anything sensible. Also the reason I guess why publications tended to have wildly varrying ratings for them.


#1066 Zava

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:25

2016 melbourne, autosport:

 

Rosberg 8

Hamilton 8

Vettel 7

Räikkönen 6

Massa 7

Bottas 6

Ricciardo 8

Kvyat 5

Pérez 5

Hülkenberg 7

Magnussen 6

Palmer 8

Verstappen 6

Sainz 7

Ericsson 6

Nasr 5

Alonso 7

Button 6

Haryanto 7

Wehrlein 7

Grosjean 8

Gutiérrez 7



#1067 RPM40

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:26

2016 melbourne, autosport:

Rosberg 8
Hamilton 8
Vettel 7
Räikkönen 6
Massa 7
Bottas 6
Ricciardo 8
Kvyat 5
Pérez 5
Hülkenberg 7
Magnussen 6
Palmer 8
Verstappen 6
Sainz 7
Ericsson 6
Nasr 5
Alonso 7
Button 6
Haryanto 7
Wehrlein 7
Grosjean 8
Gutiérrez 7


Have they gone from giving out too many 10s to giving out none?

#1068 SenorSjon

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:28

Mercedes overrated. They really profited from the red flag and Hamilton had a very poor start and couldn't pass the Toro Rosso's.

 

I would rate Sainz and Verstappen the same. Only because FOM used an open channel on Max' radio, he is getting the brunt of the flak online.



#1069 Marklar

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:30

New year, new thread

http://forums.autosp...r-ratings-2016/

#1070 Kulturen

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:36

So somehow Vettel is considered to have done a worse job than Rosberg and Hamilton and the same good job as Alonso who made a mistake that almost got himself killed? lol

 

Kvyat gets a 5 because he wasn't given a car to race with?

 

Ratings an arbitrary joke as usual.