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#51 cooper997

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 07:58



Stephen, Not my photo - I'm not sure who took it - maybe Lance Ruting?

 

Re posts #43 #44. I don't have David McKay's book handy, but I seem to remember that in 1968 there were some negotiations towards David selling the LM250 (I always called it  that rather than LM 275).

The parties involved didn't pay the deposit? or something, and the deal fell over.

David Mckay retained ownership until much later. It raced successfully at Laguna Seca by Spencer Martin , sold to a consortium and then to Ralph Lauren.

If anyone has the book Scuderia Veloce, they can check if I'm on the mark. Memory sometimes fails us!

Rod.

 

Rod, thanks for that. Why I asked is that the crashed John Martin Lotus photo published next to the crashed LM photo, is credited to you.

 

 

I think that it's fair to say that like most entrepreneurial motor racing types David was quite happy to do a deal and spend others money before his own. What follows is a bit on the Ashley Bence period of ownership direct from the SV book.

 

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Stephen


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#52 cooper997

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 08:57

1965 Longford

 

The top photo was posted several months ago on the Oz photos thread, may as well be here too. The second one is fresh to this thread.

 

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250LM on the Longford Flying Mile.

 

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Another lap almost complete

 

Stephen..


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#53 launchpad

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 13:12

Wirra,

Yes the pic of John Martin's Lotus 23 remains is mine. That pic would probably not have been published if John had not recovered by the time the annual was published. As I remember he had a long stint in hospital and was in a really bad way from the accident.

I was always reluctant to release any of my pics of serious accidents.

Racing and my pics were always for my and your  enjoyment.  .

I still have a couple that won't be published in respect of the drivers concerned.

Rod.



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Posted 21 March 2015 - 13:56

Yes Rod, you are totaly right

it is also my point of view ;

i did some pics about hard crashes and accident in the past, but i never published them in respect of the drivers, but also families and team members concerned...

with time, i stop to take this kind of pics even if i have "the opportunity"

i prefer to take cars and drivers "in action"... not broken bodies ( cars included)



#55 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:39

Originally posted by launchpad
Wirra,
Yes the pic of John Martin's Lotus 23 remains is mine. That pic would probably not have been published if John had not recovered by the time the annual was published. As I remember he had a long stint in hospital and was in a really bad way from the accident.....


I'll never forget that during the period of his hospitalisation I asked Barry Carr how John was going to be...

"He'll never be the same," Barry answered, "for a start, he's lost 2" in height."

For all of that, John has been remarkably resilient. He still turns out to 'old and bold' dinners and some major events like the Revivals, and he's certainly getting on in years.

#56 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 23:44

When one reads through David's account of the period you can understand why the car's racing career came to an end when it did...

It no longer drew significant starting money and there were by then three or four V8 sports cars which could readily trounce it. Within a short time there would be the Elfin 350 and a pair of Elfin 360s which would also show it a clean pair of heels no matter how well-driven.

Heavily depreciated as its value would have been, David had a bargain-priced toy to take for the odd exciting run. I think I can recall that he once wrote in one of his columns that he took it for a blast around his 'test circuit'... this would have been interesting.

David's road tests in the Sunday Telegraph always included data from his 'test circuit' and 'hill climb' and he knew these roads well. The circuit was at Coal and Candle Creek in the Ku-Ring-Gai Chase National Park, the hill climb was a part of that circuit but I don't know the exact details of that.

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The circuit, winding through the bush between chain-wire fencing 'protecting' drivers from drops into the waterways or gorges and sandstone cliffs, was almost ten miles long. Presumably he always did his runs quite early in the morning to avoid any traffic, particularly on the McCarr's Creek Road section which was, by the early sixties, nicely hotmixed.

I'd imagine driving the Ferrari on that road would be just about as good as taking it onto the Targa Florio circuit.

The book also mentions his 'then-wife Robyn'. The late sixties were something of a turmoil for David in that respect too. Robyn didn't share his passion for going to Monaco every May, something that helped bring about his third marriage a few years later.

With regard to the lack of a green stripe across the nose at Longford in 1966 (as correctly identified by James), I can only conclude that repairs had been made. Remember, this is three months after the car's appearance at Catalina and Lakeside with the nose covered after Lowood. I'd suggest that the stone chips of Lowood were repaired at some point here and then the stripe wasn't reapplied for a while because of time constraints.

Photos from Roaring Season might confirm this.

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 01:04

Also known as Liberator General San Martin Dr.and that is a story in itself and how it came about.



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Posted 22 March 2015 - 01:47

I'll never forget that during the period of his hospitalisation I asked Barry Carr how John was going to be...

"He'll never be the same," Barry answered, "for a start, he's lost 2" in height."

For all of that, John has been remarkably resilient. He still turns out to 'old and bold' dinners and some major events like the Revivals, and he's certainly getting on in years.

Should anyone be speaking to him , please pass-on my very best regards.

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 03:29

In the mid-90s, Ray Berghouse's Chevron Publishing put David McKay's motoring writer talents to use with a series of features. Aptly named 'Drivers I have known' for their now defunct 'Motor Racing Australia' magazine (that had morphed from RCN). Here's the one he did for NZ's Andy Buchanan. These days Chevron publish 'Australian Muscle Car' magazine.

 

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Stephen


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#60 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 15:38

Originally posted by seldo
Should anyone be speaking to him, please pass-on my very best regards.


I'll mention that to Stahly, he sees him regularly...

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 03:23

Harking back to posts 36 & 37 of ProvaMO31, Ray Bell and the link to incomplete results;

http://www.barchetta...ndex/index.html , Andy Buchanan also brought the Ferrari over to Western Australia for the annual Caversham '6-Hour' on June 6, 1966.

The car had of course won the event the previous year in the hands of Spencer Martin & David McKay. I'm pretty sure David was again co-driver but they only completed 76 laps before a DNF. I have a vague idea about a failed wheel bearing ? There was an incident when a couple of kangaroos briefly shared track space with the Ferrari.



#62 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 03:43

Yes, I've included that Rod...

A rear hub or bearing failure. I think that these bearings or hub problems led to the only DNFs it ever suffered but I don't know if it ever failed in New Zealand.

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 06:03

I just remembered that I have a lexan slot car body of the P4 Can am. (I know the P4 is in the other thread but this one is probably more suited)
I had better see if I can find it.

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 06:27

Two bodies...

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 11:19

Not sure if this one was from Rod's camera? Published in a period annual.
 
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Bill Brown indiscretion at WF.
 
Surname spelling of David Liddle, is as just typed.
 
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David's Scuderia Veloce: Unknown to me on the same weekend at Warwick Farm the LM250 had been hung on a safety fence coming off the causeway in practice.

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 11:37

view on a different angle :well:

 

 

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 11:45

Stephen, Not my photo - I'm not sure who took it - maybe Lance Ruting?
 
Re posts #43 #44. I don't have David McKay's book handy, but I seem to remember that in 1968 there were some negotiations towards David selling the LM250 (I always called it  that rather than LM 275).
The parties involved didn't pay the deposit? or something, and the deal fell over.
David Mckay retained ownership until much later. It raced successfully at Laguna Seca by Spencer Martin , sold to a consortium and then to Ralph Lauren.
If anyone has the book Scuderia Veloce, they can check if I'm on the mark. Memory sometimes fails us!
Rod.


re the Suttons takeover...

David's Scuderia Veloce: Bill (Brown) and Bruce (Bradshaw) duly turned up at our home complete with a sheaf of bills which Bill had neatly totalled to $56,268.99. He had been buying a quarter share of the LM250 along with his friends Spencer Martin and Dom David and had paid an instalment of $25,000. As it was now clear that he and I were on different wavelengths I returned the $25,000 adding it to the cheque for the costs. As we showed them to the door Bill put out his hand and added "no hard feelings". We haven't spoken since.

#68 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 12:13

I recall there's another line in the book where David gives Bill a bake...

But Bill was racing the SV Porsche much later than '68 so this must have been some time further on. Or was the Porsche deal something remote from David?

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 04:04

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Ian (Pete) Geoghegan awaits practice at Surfers Paradise 6 Hour race.



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Posted 24 March 2015 - 05:26

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Ian (Pete) Geoghegan awaits practice at Surfers Paradise 6 Hour race.

I believe that's the 275GTB4 next to it

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 05:35

Yes, it is the 275GTB4.
It did not fare too well in practice as it ended up nudging the fencing near me.

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 06:32

Nice bit of atmosphere in your Surfers photo Rod.

 

 

Here's part 1 of a lengthy David McKay feature from the early days of Sports Car World going quarterly.

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More of this to follow

 

Stephen


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 08:00

All the best cars run on Firestones!



#74 cooper997

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:54

Concluding part of the McKay SCW feature

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Stephen


Edited by cooper997, 29 April 2018 - 10:10.


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 19:31

Stephen

 

Thank you for posting those articles. I remember reading the SCW article in 76 but have never seen the article on Andy Buchanan.  



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 05:21

Good to see you enjoyed the Buchanan feature opplock. There's also the MRA McKay written piece on Spencer (and Mathew) Martin if there's any interest.

 

 

September 1978 Sandown 'Fangio' meeting was memorable for several reasons. Not just because Juan Manuell and Jack Brabham had a bit of a go in their respective W196 & BT19.

 

Relevant to this thread is that David McKay brought the SV 250LM down to Melbourne to be a part of the 'Fangio' demonstration. It however quickly became short lived as the oil line broke/came adrift, with a result being a rather bent 250LM at Sandown's 'causeway'. It also sent David to hospital as he was flung across the cabin of the car. As the car never had any seatbelts. He was visited in hospital by Fangio and probably flirted with a few nurses.

 

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The car then went back to Sydney for former SV team member and prestige panel specialist, Graham Watson to restore.

 

Stephen


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Posted 28 March 2015 - 08:13

 

 

Good to see you enjoyed the Buchanan feature opplock. There's also the MRA McKay written piece on Spencer (and Mathew) Martin if there's any interest.

 

 

 

I'd read McKay/Spencer piece with interest Stephen!



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 09:30

that's painful to see this old lady like this :cry:

what a shame :eek:

some says it is only a piece of metal, or just a car...for me it is more than an icon


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#79 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 09:30

I wonder who took the belts out?

For a start, they were required for road registration. But we also have the note that Jackie Stewart had them for the 12-hour.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 12:50

No seatbelt comment relates back to David quoted in Racing Car News. Failing that in the SV book,he mentions how "Foolishly I had thought it would look all too serious had we fitted a harness for what was to be a brisk canter around Sandown."

 

Stephen  .



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 10:10

Here's the feature on Spencer & Mathew Martin from Chevron's Motor Racing Australia mag. Please note that although it appears the article should continue after the fifth page, as far as I know that's all there is. Quite possibly a publishing mistake.

 

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Stephen


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:54

From Rod Waller.

 

A cartoon  published in  'The Visor' after the 1965 6-Hour race at Caversham

 

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#83 ProvaMO31

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:08

Fantastic cartoon !!! :up:



#84 GMACKIE

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:28

Loic, I'm not sure if you know that Rod Waller is 'Repco22' on here. Great cartoonist. :up:



#85 ProvaMO31

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:35

that's right, i do not know that Rod Waller is 'Repco22' :blush:

He's really a great cartoonist , as i can see; and i like this kind of humor really much :up:



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:44

Thanks chaps. Smooth car, rough drawing!