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Poll: McLaren-Honda's 1st victory (298 member(s) have cast votes)

When can we expect Mclaren-Honda's first victory of the new era?

  1. 2015 (46 votes [15.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.44%

  2. 2016 (110 votes [36.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 36.91%

  3. 2017 (75 votes [25.17%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.17%

  4. 2018 (7 votes [2.35%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.35%

  5. Victory? Hahahaha!! (60 votes [20.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.13%

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#101 03011969

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 12:11

When people understand that the plural of chicken is "chicken".

Incorrect. The plural of 'chicken' is, indeed, 'chickens', in British English anyway.



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#102 TheSnowman

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 12:17

2016 British Grand Prix with Fernando Alonso.



#103 Maustinsj

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 12:44

If its spelled Mclarens and Ferraris, then plural of Williams is Williamses?

 

Not getting involved in this one.  :p



#104 ToxicEnviroment

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 13:28

I don't know how these arguments carry on.
Just google 'williams plural' and click on some links.


I do not believe in Google

#105 DinosaursRoarForHugs

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 16:46

Not getting involved in this one.  :p

 

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#106 RubberKubrick

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 16:48

English language is weird. Why couldn't they make plural as chickens, teeths ......


... or fishes?

#107 mclarensmps

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 19:20

McLaren-Mercedes took two full seasons to win, Red Bull four and the current incarnation of Mercedes three. Of course these are all different stories and cannot be compared directly, but if McLaren-Honda win in under one or two full seasons, it would be a remarkable achievement. The way that they've started suggests that this isn't really on the cards.

 

The problem with McLaren is that historically, they're serial under-achievers. Even with the fastest car, they struggle to win - just take 2012 during which they began and ended the season with the fastest car, yet finished a distant third in the championship. Even to win they've got to beat the well-oiled machines that are Red Bull and Mercedes. A championship is even less likely.

 

I can't disagree with any of this. It's part of the charm of supporting the team, though, I guess.



#108 purpleturtle

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 19:25

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Hmm... Definitely not an F1 weekend.


Edited by purpleturtle, 20 March 2015 - 19:25.


#109 ViMaMo

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 08:36

The Mercedeses , Williamses and Lotuses all run on Mercedes's engines?      *scampers into the bushes before the artillery barrage starts*   :kiss:



#110 BRK

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 09:29

2015. I don't think they'll be around for 2017..



#111 Lotus53B

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 09:50

The Mercedeses , Williamses and Lotuses all run on Mercedes's engines?      *scampers into the bushes before the artillery barrage starts*   :kiss:

I work in a Linguistics department at a University.  Please give me some time off...I hear arguments about these issues all the time...  Mercedes and Williams are already plural, whereas Lotus is singular, so it would be "The Mercedes, Williams and Lotuses all run on Mercedes' engines"...  I think.  I would ask at work, but someone would probably answer me, and life's too short.

 

Spain 2016, Alonso, btw.



#112 trogggy

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:10

I work in a Linguistics department at a University.  Please give me some time off...I hear arguments about these issues all the time...  Mercedes and Williams are already plural, whereas Lotus is singular, so it would be "The Mercedes, Williams and Lotuses all run on Mercedes' engines"...  I think.  I would ask at work, but someone would probably answer me, and life's too short.

 

Spain 2016, Alonso, btw.

Williams = 'Son of William'

Williamses = plural.

 

Ask at work.

Then ask about Mercedes.


Edited by trogggy, 21 March 2015 - 10:19.


#113 superdelphinus

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:14

Incorrect. The plural of 'chicken' is, indeed, 'chickens', in British English anyway.

depends whether you're talking about the animal or the meat



#114 Force Ten

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:18

2015. I don't think they'll be around for 2017..

Who? The chicken?



#115 trogggy

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:18

depends whether you're talking about the animal or the meat

Can you have a plural of the meat then?

 

 

No, you can't.



#116 Force Ten

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:19

I work in a Linguistics department at a University.  Please give me some time off...I hear arguments about these issues all the time...  Mercedes and Williams are already plural, whereas Lotus is singular, so it would be "The Mercedes, Williams and Lotuses all run on Mercedes' engines"...  I think.  I would ask at work, but someone would probably answer me, and life's too short.

 

Spain 2016, Alonso, btw.

Wouldn't it be "Lotii"?



#117 F1ultimate

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:31

Because their engine is only running in two cars, they are significantly disadvantaged in gathering data for developing the engine. Mercedes on the other than has 8 cars running their engines. With that in mind, the only way Mclaren can win is by luck which I believe will at the earliest be in 2016, and on merit possibly in 2017. 



#118 Lotus53B

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:44

Wouldn't it be "Lotii"?

Possibly Loti, never lotii...apparently.



#119 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 12:19

Let them focus on getting into the top ten first. I doubt they'll have a car to fight for wins for 2016 as well, so at the earliest at some point in 2017 if they're lucky.



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#120 RubberKubrick

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:01

Wouldn't it be "Lotii"?


Or "Lotae"?

#121 sopa

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:17

The chassises of Reds Bulles will also try to compete against the chassises of Williamses, Mercedeses and of course Lotuses. The powers unites of Renaultes will power the cars of Reds Bulles and Toros Rossoses.



#122 Force Ten

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:45

The chassises of Reds Bulles will also try to compete against the chassises of Williamses, Mercedeses and of course Lotuses. The powers unites of Renaultes will power the cars of Reds Bulles and Toros Rossoses.

No, no. The chassi of Red Bulls... Williamses, Mercedi and Loti. Toro Rossoses was good, if Demis Roussi would be driving them and not being dead.



#123 Jimisgod

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:48

10th race of 2016. Alonso.

#124 ViMaMo

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 15:00

:wave:  Hoping for a earlier victory for Alonso or Button. 



#125 fastpast

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 16:44

The day Rosberg takes out Hamilton at the start, while Kimmi and Vettel break their wings on the debris, while Kvyat spins and is collected by Ricciardo, the Saubers and Torro Rosso's break their wheels off taking avoiding action, the boys at Force India cannot get the wheelnuts back on and a torrential downpour takes out anything that is left but two McLaren Honda's. They'd have to pull an Olivier Panis. So, after 2017 and probably never. Or next race. Whatever. Not going to bet on a win for them anytime soon.


Story book stuff above, but can't start talking about McLaren and Honda resurgence until it happens and it will. See stats below and you will see where McLaren and Honda fit into the Formula 1 scene. Remember Mercedes, until recently, did not have a really successful past. New developments by that engine manufacturer and race team are phenominal over the past several years. Several years in the sense that developing and refining the car and the engine has taken several years, last year shows the results as well as this year. So, if McLaren and Honda duplicate this growth or surpass in a similar timeline that will be a successful return to prominence. A place that each has held and will deserve if all of the hard work and development produce results.

Formula 1 win total by team entry - Ferrari 221, McLaren 182, Williams 114, Lotus 79, Red Bull 50, Renault & Brabham 35, Mercedes 30

Formula 1 win by power unit - Ferrari 217, Ford 176, Renault 168, Mercedes 116, Honda 72

Formula 1 win by constructor country - British 520, Italian 242, French 53, Austria 50, Germany 32

These stats just show that McLaren have a history of winning just as Mercedes had a history many years previous and with their (Mercedes) commitment, they are now on the top of the mountain. McLaren with Honda power can attain the same status, give them a little time, as everyone gave Mercedes and then we will see spirited competition. And of course this is not to keep Ferrari out of the mix, they never stay down and out very long. They will be a pleasant surprise this year...............and I think we will all be surprised and pleased (McLaren fans anyway) with their performance and race results by year end. Enjoy the season everyone, it has just begun.

#126 PayasYouRace

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 16:51

Sooo....chickenen?

 

Up and coming Finnish talent. Not even he could win in this car.



#127 ToxicEnviroment

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 21:29

I work in a Linguistics department at a University.  Please give me some time off...I hear arguments about these issues all the time...  Mercedes and Williams are already plural, whereas Lotus is singular, so it would be "The Mercedes, Williams and Lotuses all run on Mercedes' engines"...  I think.  I would ask at work, but someone would probably answer me, and life's too short.

 

Spain 2016, Alonso, btw.

 

Mercedes is not a plural it is singular

 

Mercedes is a spanish female name. Gottlieb Daimler one of the founders of Mercedes-Benz had a daughter whose name was Mercedes. One daughter. Therefore it is singular.

 

Its just a name ending with "s" nothing to do with plural. Just like Remedios, Melquiades and plenty of other spanish names.

 

The only mystery is why would a german gave his daughter a spanish name.

 

Although a lucky mistery. For we could have end up with Ulrike or Heidi leading the world constructors championship at the moment.



#128 BillBald

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 21:32

Mercedes is not a plural it is singular

 

Mercedes is a spanish female name. Gottlieb Daimler one of the founders of Mercedes-Benz had a daughter whose name was Mercedes. One daughter. Therefore it is singular.

 

Its just a name ending with "s" nothing to do with plural. Just like Remedios, Melquiades and plenty of other spanish names.

 

The only mystery is why would a german gave his daughter a spanish name.

 

Although a lucky mistery. For we could have end up with Ulrike or Heidi leading the world constructors championship at the moment.

 

It's a name, which is the plural of "merced". A bit like calling your daughter "Graces" instead of "Grace".

 

So it's singular and plural at the same time.

 

Isn't there a race this weekend?


Edited by BillBald, 21 March 2015 - 21:36.


#129 MensRea

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 22:03

Mercedes is not a plural it is singular

 

Mercedes is a spanish female name. Gottlieb Daimler one of the founders of Mercedes-Benz had a daughter whose name was Mercedes. One daughter. Therefore it is singular.

 

Its just a name ending with "s" nothing to do with plural. Just like Remedios, Melquiades and plenty of other spanish names.

 

The only mystery is why would a german gave his daughter a spanish name.

 

Although a lucky mistery. For we could have end up with Ulrike or Heidi leading the world constructors championship at the moment.

 

Sorry for OT. Mercedes Jellinek was the daughter of Emil Jellinek (who suggested the name to Daimler) and Rachel Goggmann Cenrobert. I think the mother was of spanish origins hence the spanish Mercedes Ramona Jellinek.

 

I take Mercedes anyday over Heidi (for as much as i love the name!!!) lol.



#130 Ikebana

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 22:32

Who? The chicken?

:lol:


Edited by Ikebana, 21 March 2015 - 22:32.


#131 bonjon1979a

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 22:55

Story book stuff above, but can't start talking about McLaren and Honda resurgence until it happens and it will. See stats below and you will see where McLaren and Honda fit into the Formula 1 scene. Remember Mercedes, until recently, did not have a really successful past. New developments by that engine manufacturer and race team are phenominal over the past several years. Several years in the sense that developing and refining the car and the engine has taken several years, last year shows the results as well as this year. So, if McLaren and Honda duplicate this growth or surpass in a similar timeline that will be a successful return to prominence. A place that each has held and will deserve if all of the hard work and development produce results.

Formula 1 win total by team entry - Ferrari 221, McLaren 182, Williams 114, Lotus 79, Red Bull 50, Renault & Brabham 35, Mercedes 30

Formula 1 win by power unit - Ferrari 217, Ford 176, Renault 168, Mercedes 116, Honda 72

Formula 1 win by constructor country - British 520, Italian 242, French 53, Austria 50, Germany 32

These stats just show that McLaren have a history of winning just as Mercedes had a history many years previous and with their (Mercedes) commitment, they are now on the top of the mountain. McLaren with Honda power can attain the same status, give them a little time, as everyone gave Mercedes and then we will see spirited competition. And of course this is not to keep Ferrari out of the mix, they never stay down and out very long. They will be a pleasant surprise this year...............and I think we will all be surprised and pleased (McLaren fans anyway) with their performance and race results by year end. Enjoy the season everyone, it has just begun.


good to see you back. Good luck sir.

#132 Shambolic

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 23:58

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Well, looking at that facial expression, I guess we know the answer to that famous question now..



#133 Ikebana

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 00:04

OH, finally I understand why this discussion about chickens in a F1 board gave me a feeling of deja vu.

 



#134 superstring

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 02:35

This is the best thread ever!  I love chicken!... or chickenes.  :drunk:



#135 purpleturtle

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 03:08

*Still* not a F1 weekend.



#136 loki

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 03:10

They might have a chance if they can get both cars to the grid without one blowing up and be within .5 secs of the leader instead of 5 secs. Still work to do.



#137 Watkins74

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 03:16

Damn this thread is a mess......Mods we need a clean up on aisle 4.



#138 Force Ten

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 07:15

Damn this thread is a mess......Mods we need a clean up on aisle 4.

I agree. Too much utterly boring hypothesizing and not enough chicken.



#139 SophieB

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 09:15

Damn this thread is a mess......Mods we need a clean up on aisle 4.

 

Sorry, the chicken perished on the operating table.