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#1 Ar558

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 00:54

With all the controversy around the Mercedes engine dominance, I was think maybe the answer is to institute a weighted system based upon championship points. It would work something like this...

 

Last year Mercedes powered teams averaged 314 pts

Renault powered teams averaged 111pts

Ferrari powered teams averaged 73pts

 

Therefore Ferrari would get 4.3x as many tokens as Mercedes and Renault 3x as many. 

 

It is obviously an oversimplification but something which would allow the lesser performing engines to get more development in each season based on championship performance seems like reasonable way to try and equalise the large engine disparity?

 

Thoughts



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#2 Myrvold

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 01:17

In other words: Let's favour the ones that only supply one team!



#3 Peter0Scandlyn

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 02:41

I have a better idea. Just get rid of the tokens!

 

 

(Geez there's a lot of time wasted on tokens!)



#4 Pimpwerx

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 03:46

How about engine manufacturers make their engines as powerful as possible within the rules? That'll probably work the best for everyone. PEACE.

#5 Jejking

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:13

Don't even bring up such an idea. I spent time faxing with Paris years ago and I never got an answer back. Whatever we come up with, they'll overrule and do their own thing.



#6 Jerem

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:21

Tokens don't make sense because the manufacturers will keep developing their engines no matter how many tokens they have, and will bring the updates when they have tokens to use. So it's not saving any money.



#7 Gorma

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:21

With all the controversy around the Mercedes engine dominance, I was think maybe the answer is to institute a weighted system based upon championship points. It would work something like this...

 

Last year Mercedes powered teams averaged 314 pts

Renault powered teams averaged 111pts

Ferrari powered teams averaged 73pts

 

Therefore Ferrari would get 4.3x as many tokens as Mercedes and Renault 3x as many. 

 

It is obviously an oversimplification but something which would allow the lesser performing engines to get more development in each season based on championship performance seems like reasonable way to try and equalise the large engine disparity?

 

Thoughts

I think there is some merit to this kind of system. Not like that obviously, but there is a point in allowing tokens based on previous years performance. Although it should not be limited to the power unit. There should be a token system for the whole car. It would limit development and costs quite dramatically. 



#8 kevinracefan

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 12:50

whole car. It would limit development and costs quite dramatically.

I doubt that... please explain how...

#9 redreni

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 14:00

For me, either you don't have tokens (which is fine by me, although it was the manufacturers that wanted them, and the fundamental reasons why they wanted them originally haven't changed), or you have tokens and everybody gets the same amount of tokens (although I do think Honda has been treated pretty shoddily by the system of guessing how many tokens they would have used if they'd been around last year - they didn't use any tokens last year so the way I see it, they should have all their tokens to use this year).

 

However I would be opposed, on principle, to your suggestion, for the same reasons that I'm opposed to success ballast or any other method of punishing success and rewarding failure. Everybody designed and built their engines to the same rule book. The best engine wins. We knew it would be like that from the beginning. Again; it was the manufacturers that wanted engines to be performance differentiators, because that's how you move the technology on, and hopefully some of the development that goes into the F1 project will have other applications and spin-offs.

 

I'm quite puzzled as to why when a rules set has been agreed, and upon implementation there haven't been any unintended or unforeseen consequences (unless I'm missing something), everybody is acting as if we have a crisis on our hands. What were people expecting?



#10 Gorma

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 17:17

I doubt that... please explain how...

There will be a limit on parts that can be updated and there will be a limit on the number of updates that can be introduced. 



#11 KingTiger

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 17:31

The only place where tokens are such a big talking point is in F1 forums. Nobody that matters has been against the token system. 



#12 kevinracefan

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:03

There will be a limit on parts that can be updated and there will be a limit on the number of updates that can be introduced.

the teams will still be in constant development, no matter when they could present the updates..
money will not be saved..

besides the fact that banning development is banning the essence of F1...

F1 is not a race on the track.. it is a YEAR LONG DEVELOPMENT race at the team's facilities..

sorry, I M O this idea blows...

If a team can't afford F1, get the H out... don't dumb down the series for pretenders...

#13 YoungGun

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 22:10

Whatever happened to the success ballast idea for equalizing the field? IIRC the idea was received quite well by the team bosses.



#14 LORDBYRON

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 22:17

With all the controversy around the Mercedes engine dominance, I was think maybe the answer is to institute a weighted system based upon championship points. It would work something like this...

 

Last year Mercedes powered teams averaged 314 pts

Renault powered teams averaged 111pts

Ferrari powered teams averaged 73pts

 

Therefore Ferrari would get 4.3x as many tokens as Mercedes and Renault 3x as many. 

 

It is obviously an oversimplification but something which would allow the lesser performing engines to get more development in each season based on championship performance seems like reasonable way to try and equalise the large engine disparity?

 

Thoughts

Its a rubbish idea  



#15 Redback

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 01:23

The only place where tokens are such a big talking point is in F1 forums. Nobody that matters has been against the token system. 

 

So fans don't matter?

 

Bernie, - is that you?   ;)