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#1 jurchenking

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 05:39

This may sound ridiculously superstitious, but no Ferrari WDC in the modern era has won a championship wearing other than a red helmet visor :eek:.

 

Think about it.  Both Michael Schumacher and Kimi Raikkonen won their championships wearing red helmet visors.  I was only a toddler when Niki Lauda won his championships with Ferrari.  But can anyone old enough during that era confirm he was also wearing red helmet visors?

 

Let's look at Ferrari drivers who didn't win the WDC:

 

1) Eddie Irvine: wore green visor.  Lost championship in the final race of 1999.

2) Rubens Barrichello: wore blue visor.  Never in contention.

3) Felipe Massa: wore yellow visor.  Lost championship in the final race of 2008.

4) Fernando Alonso: wore blue visor. Lost championship in the final race of 2010 and 2012.

 

Red helmet visor brings the luck required to win championships.  OK, Schumacher had the best car from 2001-2002, 2004.  But it was close shave in 2000 and 2003. In 2000, if Hakkinen didn't DNF in Monza and Indianapolis, it was another lost year. In 2003, he got that crucial 1 point in the last race.  Raikkonen was the unbelievable come-from-behind story in 2007.  Why did Alonso have bad luck to miss in 2010 when he led the standings going into final race?  In 2012 in Brazil, how did his rival survive the first lap spin without DNF and he fails to get the necessary points?  

 

So please, Sebastian, change your helmet visor to red starting from next year at least :clap:.


Edited by jurchenking, 22 March 2015 - 00:48.


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#2 hollowstar

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 06:14

They all had red cars too!! Coincidence?

#3 GoldenColt

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 06:29

 

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#4 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 06:38

I think it's just called a helmet.



#5 Tim Murray

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 08:28

I was only a toddler when Niki Lauda won his championships with Ferrari.  But can anyone old enough during that era confirm he was also wearing red helmet visors?


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#6 hittheapex

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 09:26

I think you may be on to something here, great minds think alike. Colours are key to success. England have only made one cricket World Cup semi final since they switched to coloured kits. When they all played in whites? Semi-final or final every time :cool:



#7 wati

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:16

I think he's talking about the colour of the stripe that's on the visor.



#8 RedBaron

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:45

 

2) Rubens Barrichello: wore blue visor.  Never in contention.

 

Side note; Barrichello's lack of talent was unrelated to his visor strip colour.



#9 tmekt

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 10:55

other weird correlations

Edited by tmekt, 21 March 2015 - 10:56.


#10 Option1

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 13:09

Where's the absolutely vital graph correlating Ferrari WDCs with US pepperoni & mushroom pizza (large, thick crust only) consumption?  I think that would tell us a lot!

 

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#11 DampMongoose

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 13:40

Are talking about a red strip on the visor or a red helmet?

#12 JHSingo

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 13:44

Illuminati confirmed.  ;)



#13 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 13:51

There should be a minimum post count before one is allowed to create new threads.



#14 DampMongoose

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 13:54

More important to have black tyres. Every wdc has so far.

#15 03011969

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:00

I'm not sure I've ever seen a red visor on a helmet.

 

I have noticed though that every World Champion has had at least one vowel in their name and, (get this), at least one consonant. F$%&ing weird huh*?

 

*No.


Edited by 03011969, 21 March 2015 - 14:12.


#16 steferrari

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:02

Damn, all these years talking about wind tunnel correlation, upgrades that didn't work... and all we needed was a red visor!  :rotfl:



#17 johnzaxxon

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 14:44

Red helmet visor brings the luck required to win championships.

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#18 03011969

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 15:10

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He has a clear visor.



#19 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 15:15

I'm not sure I've ever seen a red visor on a helmet.

 

I have noticed though that every World Champion has had at least one vowel in their name and, (get this), at least one consonant. F$%&ing weird huh*?

 

*No.

I believe the topic starter means the visor strip, and not the colour of the visor itself.



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#20 DampMongoose

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 15:32

Berger and Mansell think this thread's lacking somewhat...

#21 FerrariV12

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 15:45

I see your red visor and raise you the sadly departed F1 Rejects site's numerology theory:

 

Including Schumacher's first Ferrari title in 2000, all 10 Ferrari WDC seasons had a different number at the end of the year:

 

Phil Hill - 1961

Alberto Ascari - 1952

Alberto Ascari - 1953

John Surtees - 1964

Niki Lauda - 1975

Juan Manuel Fangio - 1956

Niki Lauda - 1977

Mike Hawthorn - 1958

Jody Scheckter - 1979

Michael Schumacher - 2000

 

For context - this was a light-hearted explanation as to why it took Ferrari 21 years from 1979 to win the WDC - they were crap in 1980, Suzuka 1990 happened, leaving 2000 the next year they had been "eligible" to win it.

 

After this was written - They then took the WDC in 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004, before adding 2007.

 

So according to this law this makes 2015 the first year of this decade they can win it again ;)



#22 thiscocks

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 15:54

o/p did you type that out in your sleep mid-dream?



#23 RedBaron

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 15:56

He has a clear visor.

 

 

He means the sponsorship strip that goes across the top of the visor.

 

Now you understand what is meant 03011969, I'm sure this topic looks far less loony now...   ...

 

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#24 DampMongoose

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 16:23

Nicola Larini just spat his prosecco out too...

#25 Jon83

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 16:31

This may sound ridiculously superstitious, but no Ferrari WDC in the modern era has won a championship wearing other than a red helmet visor :eek:.

 

Think about it.  Both Michael Schumacher and Kimi Raikkonen won their championships wearing red helmet visors.  I was only a toddler when Niki Lauda won his championships with Ferrari.  But can anyone old enough during that era confirm he was also wearing red helmet visors?

 

Let's look at Ferrari drivers who didn't win the WDC:

 

1) Eddie Irvine: wore green visor.  Lost championship in the final race of 1999.

2) Rubens Barrichello: wore blue visor.  Never in contention.

3) Felipe Massa: wore yellow visor.  Lost championship in the final race of 2008.

4) Fernando Alonso: wore blue visor. Lost championship in the final race of 2010 and 2012.

 

Red helmet visor brings the luck required to win championships.  OK, Schumacher had the best car from 2001-2002, 2004.  But it was close shave in 2000 and 2003. In 2000, if Hakkinen didn't DNF in Monza and Indianapolis, it was another lost year. In 2003, he got that crucial 1 point in the last race.  Raikkonen was the unbelievable come-from-behind story in 2007.  Why did Alonso have bad luck to miss in 2010 when he led the standings going into final race?  In 2012 in Brazil, how did his rival survive the first lap spin without DNF and he fails to get the necessary points?  

 

So please, Sebastian, change your helmet visor to red starting from next year at least :clap:.

 

You've got this F1 thing nailed mate. 



#26 hittheapex

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 22:09

I see your red visor and raise you the sadly departed F1 Rejects site's numerology theory:

 

Including Schumacher's first Ferrari title in 2000, all 10 Ferrari WDC seasons had a different number at the end of the year:

 

Phil Hill - 1961

Alberto Ascari - 1952

Alberto Ascari - 1953

John Surtees - 1964

Niki Lauda - 1975

Juan Manuel Fangio - 1956

Niki Lauda - 1977

Mike Hawthorn - 1958

Jody Scheckter - 1979

Michael Schumacher - 2000

 

For context - this was a light-hearted explanation as to why it took Ferrari 21 years from 1979 to win the WDC - they were crap in 1980, Suzuka 1990 happened, leaving 2000 the next year they had been "eligible" to win it.

 

After this was written - They then took the WDC in 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004, before adding 2007.

 

So according to this law this makes 2015 the first year of this decade they can win it again ;)

I knew Raikkonen's title was an unlikely comeback, I didn't realise it broke this convention as well! So if Ferrari don't do it this year, they have to wait another ten? Somebody should have sent that thread to Alonso, jumping teams just as the title was there, Vettel in for a long wait if he doesn't do it this year :lol:



#27 Exb

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Posted 21 March 2015 - 22:23

I knew Raikkonen's title was an unlikely comeback, I didn't realise it broke this convention as well! So if Ferrari don't do it this year, they have to wait another ten? Somebody should have sent that thread to Alonso, jumping teams just as the title was there, Vettel in for a long wait if he doesn't do it this year :lol:


I don't think they have to be in order - just different (so 2015, 2016, 2018 and 2019 would still be eligible before a long wait until 2025)

 

:p

 

This thread is bizarre :lol:
 



#28 Wuzak

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 00:30

I think that Vettel taking #5 to Ferrari will ensure their championship success.

 

Since drivers started keeping the sam enumber for an entire season, the number which has won the most championships is #1, with 12 out of 41. The second best is #5, with 9 WDCs.

 

The third is a tie between #2, #6 and #11 with 3 each. #3, #8, #12, #22 and #27 have won 2 each, while #44 has one. No other numbers have won a WDC - as yet.

 

Since there is no #1 this year, statistically Vettel is the most likely to win!

 

The list of WDCs with #5 is Emerson Fittipaldi (1974), Mario Andretti (1978), Nelson Piquet (1981 & 1983), Nigel Mansell (1992), Michael Schumacher (1994), Damon Hill (1996), Fernando Alonso (2005) and Sebastian Vettel (2010).

 
And the average number of years between #5 winning is 4.5 years, so it is due again this year!


#29 Myrvold

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 00:52

I see your red visor and raise you the sadly departed F1 Rejects site's numerology theory:

 

And welcome GPRejects.com ;)



#30 jurchenking

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 01:15

Yes, I intended to mean red visor strip, not the visor itself :D .  Please excuse my poor English :blush: .  I've tried to correct the thread topic but no editing option to do so (can only edit main message).  Thanks to those who interpreted my intention :up: to the confused / bemused.

 

 

o/p did you type that out in your sleep mid-dream?

 

No, I did not.  It's something that's been bugging me for a long time.  I believe in scientific methods but there're things that logic cannot explain.  Too many coincidence to be coincidental  :drunk:, as I've illustrated in the examples listed.  Also, can logic explain why certain drivers experience less mechanical/engine DNF than their teammate? Surely bad luck cannot always fall on the same person? I mean these are components which have been thoroughly tested for reliability. Yes, there're exceptions as others have pointed out e.g. Mansell, Alesi, Berger.  My bad, I should have clarified since the time of Michael Schumacher as a Ferrari driver.

 

There're people who agree with me (thanks hittheapex and Jon83 :up: ) and those who don't.  That's fine.  The purpose of this forum is free exchange of views.

 

Thanks to all who responded, whether out of interest or ridicule :wave: .  


Edited by jurchenking, 22 March 2015 - 01:16.


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Posted 22 March 2015 - 01:44

Thanks to all who responded, whether out of interest or ridicule :wave: .  

Live long and prosper

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#32 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 10:39

Yes, I intended to mean red visor strip, not the visor itself :D .  Please excuse my poor English :blush: .  I've tried to correct the thread topic but no editing option to do so (can only edit main message).  Thanks to those who interpreted my intention :up: to the confused / bemused.

 

 

 

No, I did not.  It's something that's been bugging me for a long time.  I believe in scientific methods but there're things that logic cannot explain.  Too many coincidence to be coincidental  :drunk:, as I've illustrated in the examples listed.  Also, can logic explain why certain drivers experience less mechanical/engine DNF than their teammate? Surely bad luck cannot always fall on the same person? I mean these are components which have been thoroughly tested for reliability. Yes, there're exceptions as others have pointed out e.g. Mansell, Alesi, Berger.  My bad, I should have clarified since the time of Michael Schumacher as a Ferrari driver.

 

There're people who agree with me (thanks hittheapex and Jon83 :up: ) and those who don't.  That's fine.  The purpose of this forum is free exchange of views.

 

Thanks to all who responded, whether out of interest or ridicule :wave: .  

 

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#33 DaiMOn

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 11:26

Fernando disagrees

 

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#34 YoungGun

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 12:43

 

Any fact becomes important when it's connected to another. —Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum

 

May consider posting this in another thread. :p



#35 ToxicEnviroment

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 13:00

Where can I buy red helmet visor?



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Posted 22 March 2015 - 14:31

Phil Hill - 1961
Alberto Ascari - 1952
Alberto Ascari - 1953
John Surtees - 1964
Niki Lauda - 1975
Juan Manuel Fangio - 1956
Niki Lauda - 1977
Mike Hawthorn - 1958
Jody Scheckter - 1979
Michael Schumacher - 2000

This list also reveals that six (!) titles were won without any visor at all, so that might be something worth trying.

Edited by Jovanotti, 22 March 2015 - 14:31.


#37 03011969

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 16:56

He means the sponsorship strip that goes across the top of the visor.

 

Now you understand what is meant 03011969, I'm sure this topic looks far less loony now...   ...

 

:drunk:

I'm aware of what the OP meant, but he should have said what he meant and not something different. If we all go on like this there will be madness, e.g.:

 

My name is Jonathan*

My favourite team is RBR**

I am a homosexual***

My favourite fruit is the banana****

Elephants live in trees and eat pencils*****

 

 

*It isn't

** It isn't

*** I'm not

****It isn't******

*****They do not

******It isn't even a fruit, it's a herb*******

*******Actually it's both a fruit and herb

********There was nothing with eight asterisks, why are you referring to this?



#38 Jejking

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 22:25

First stories came out Ferrari was lacking good and motivated enough drivers, then it was down to luck, then they lacked downforce, then Newey spoiled the fun, then the engine sucked. But it's good to know the truth was dangling in front of our and literally the drivers eyes the whole time.


Edited by Jejking, 22 March 2015 - 22:25.


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Posted 23 March 2015 - 01:20

I'm aware of what the OP meant, but he should have said what he meant and not something different. If we all go on like this there will be madness, e.g.:

My name is Jonathan*
My favourite team is RBR**
I am a homosexual***
My favourite fruit is the banana****
Elephants live in trees and eat pencils*****


*It isn't
** It isn't
*** I'm not
****It isn't******
*****They do not
******It isn't even a fruit, it's a herb*******
*******Actually it's both a fruit and herb
********There was nothing with eight asterisks, why are you referring to this?

Sounding like something out of an Indycar thread. Must be getting close to that time of year...  ;)

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#40 DinosaursRoarForHugs

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 01:45

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#41 Afterburner

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 02:03

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That actually brings up a great point: Ferrari hasn't won any recent championship with two roosters in its hen-house. Bad news for either Kimi or Vettel, as it seems Marchionne's new Ferrari involves the substitution of a single, upscale, high-performance hen-house with two less-expensive entry-level hen-houses designed to appeal to a larger audience (of two) but with a sacrifice in overall quality.

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#42 ppcghost

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 02:52

This thread should be titled "No Ferrari driver has won a championship in a car that wasn't capable of winning a championship."



#43 jurchenking

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 04:16

Fernando disagrees

 

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This is obviously a blatant photo-shopped forgery :smoking: .  Fernando Alonso has never worn red visor strip during his time at Ferrari.  He wore light blue in honour of his native Asturias.

 

Coming back to the topic, which was why Alonso never found the crucial luck to nick those critical points.  Or his opponent never suffered misfortune at critical moments.  He never got the needed break Schumacher had in Hockenheim (track invader preventing almost certain Hakkinen victory while he crashed out), Indianapolis (despite DC trying to be a pest) and Suzuka (crazy fluctuating track conditions) 2000.  Or Kimi did in 2007 (Alonso crashing out but Kimi surviving in wet Fuji, Lewis' Shanghai stall, McLaren drivers blocking each other in Interlagos).  Bear in mind Alonso had a 4-point lead going into the final race in 2010, while Schumacher and Raikkonen had to play catch-up.

 

Try harder to fool me, dude :rotfl:  .  I ain't no Chesterfield F1 expert, but neither am I a completely ignorant fool :wave: .



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 10:52

This is obviously a blatant photo-shopped forgery :smoking: .  Fernando Alonso has never worn red visor strip during his time at Ferrari.  He wore light blue in honour of his native Asturias.

 

Coming back to the topic, which was why Alonso never found the crucial luck to nick those critical points.  Or his opponent never suffered misfortune at critical moments.  He never got the needed break Schumacher had in Hockenheim (track invader preventing almost certain Hakkinen victory while he crashed out), Indianapolis (despite DC trying to be a pest) and Suzuka (crazy fluctuating track conditions) 2000.  Or Kimi did in 2007 (Alonso crashing out but Kimi surviving in wet Fuji, Lewis' Shanghai stall, McLaren drivers blocking each other in Interlagos).  Bear in mind Alonso had a 4-point lead going into the final race in 2010, while Schumacher and Raikkonen had to play catch-up.

 

Try harder to fool me, dude :rotfl:  .  I ain't no Chesterfield F1 expert, but neither am I a completely ignorant fool :wave: .

 

Just out of interest, what colour 'lucky' visor was Schumacher wearing when Alonso beat him two years running?

 

I may start a thread myself that directly links a very narrow time scale of Ferrari WDC's with the house I lived in prior to where I am now.  After all, Schumacher won every one of his titles when I lived there and not a single one since. 

 

Although I probably won't, I'm just glad that my anti-Tiger rock that sits on my desk is still working like a charm.  Not a tiger in sight.



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 12:12

They all had red cars too!! Coincidence?

 

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 13:58

Schumacher even changed his helmet (visor) (strip) from German-flag-draped-over-white to German-flag-draped-over-red to make sure he'd win the WDC.



#47 ensign14

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 14:35

 

 I ain't no Chesterfield F1 expert, but neither am I a completely ignorant fool :wave: .

 

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 17:29

This is obviously a blatant photo-shopped forgery :smoking: .  Fernando Alonso has never worn red visor strip during his time at Ferrari.  He wore light blue in honour of his native Asturias.

 

Coming back to the topic, which was why Alonso never found the crucial luck to nick those critical points.  Or his opponent never suffered misfortune at critical moments.  He never got the needed break Schumacher had in Hockenheim (track invader preventing almost certain Hakkinen victory while he crashed out), Indianapolis (despite DC trying to be a pest) and Suzuka (crazy fluctuating track conditions) 2000.  Or Kimi did in 2007 (Alonso crashing out but Kimi surviving in wet Fuji, Lewis' Shanghai stall, McLaren drivers blocking each other in Interlagos).  Bear in mind Alonso had a 4-point lead going into the final race in 2010, while Schumacher and Raikkonen had to play catch-up.

 

Try harder to fool me, dude :rotfl:  .  I ain't no Chesterfield F1 expert, but neither am I a completely ignorant fool :wave: .

 

Its no forgery, he wore it for the shakedown test. No photoshop required.

 

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 17:44

Its no forgery, he wore it for the shakedown test. No photoshop required.

 

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Exactly, and he used a yellow one too in the first half of the season.  :lol:

 

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 18:08

He could have worn any colour he liked, that car was a dog.