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When replacement drivers couldn't race

Started by HistoryFan , Mar 25 2015 21:15

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#1 HistoryFan

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 21:15

In Melbourne Bottas missed the race due to injuries, but because it was after the qualifying Williams couldn't name a replacement driver for Bottas. When was this also the case in the past? And which replacement driver should have raced?

Suzuka 2009 after Glock's qualy crash (replacement driver: Kamui Kobayashi)

Budapest 2009 after Massa's qualy crash (replacement driver: Luca Badoer)

Suzuka 2002 after McNish's warm-up crash (replacement driver: Stéphane Sarrazin?)

Monaco 1996 after Montermini's crash (replacement driver: Frank Lagorce?)

Suzuka 1995 after Suzuki's crash (replacement driver: Martin Brundle)

Kyalami 1985 after Jones' illness (replacement driver: Who????)

Dijon 1982 after Tambay's illness (replacement driver: Daniele Amaduzzo?)

More examples?

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#2 Amphicar

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 21:39

Suzuka 1987 after Mansell's crash (replaced by Patrese for the following race at Adelaide)

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#3 midgrid

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 22:18

When Ricardo Zonta broke his foot during practice for the 1999 Brazilian Grand Prix, Craig Pollock called the team's test driver, Mika Salo, to substitute, but he was already on a plane back to Europe.

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#4 balmybaldwin

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 22:30

I have to say this rule is bonkers with all the reserve and test drivers hanging around the paddock. Its understandable that the cant race from the grid position of the injured/ill driver, or where the reason for a crash is safety related or not understood, but why cant a reserve driver start from the pit lane or back of the grid? This would provide the potential for a test or reserve driver to showcase their talent, as well as increase numbers in the race for viewing pleasure etc.

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#5 Dick Dastardly

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 23:01

I have to say this rule is bonkers with all the reserve and test drivers hanging around the paddock. Its understandable that the cant race from the grid position of the injured/ill driver, or where the reason for a crash is safety related or not understood, but why cant a reserve driver start from the pit lane or back of the grid? This would provide the potential for a test or reserve driver to showcase their talent, as well as increase numbers in the race for viewing pleasure etc.

In Oz, a replacement could have stepped in for Bottas so increasing the number of starters for that race. Bernie for one would hope that this rule be rescinded....

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#6 DampMongoose

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 23:42

Luca Badoer was meant to 'race' the Ferrari when Massa was injured. But it's a stretch to say he did...

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#7 Spillage

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 07:36

In Oz, a replacement could have stepped in for Bottas so increasing the number of starters for that race. Bernie for one would hope that this rule be rescinded....

But Bottas was injured in qualifying, so how can he be replaced? The FIA has no evidence that any replacement could get within the magic 107%.

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#8 Dick Dastardly

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:27

But Bottas was injured in qualifying, so how can he be replaced? The FIA has no evidence that any replacement could get within the magic 107%.

F1 is too tightly controlled, if the rules were, lets say relaxed, not just on car design but GP weekend procedure / schedule, it would be a lot better IMO [as it was back in the late 60s / 70s]...

Bottas injured in quali, perfectly good car waiting in pit garage. So, Exceptional Circumstances apply, if a replacement driver is available, he's sent out after quali to do x laps in that car to ensure he can lap within 107%. Obviously this doesn't affect his grid position.....starting from pit lane / back of grid anyway. This is to ensure he can get to grips with the circuit / car and can lap quickly enough. At club meetings, drivers in exceptional circumstances do 3 laps to ensure they know the circuit and start from back of grid anyway....

Edited by Dick Dastardly, 26 March 2015 - 12:29.

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#9 DS27

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 15:20

Yep, it's not rocket science is it - but far too sensible for the FIA. Why would they want to improve the show, after all...

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#10 charly0418

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 15:51

2011, Perez in Monaco.

The only other driver associated with the team was Gutierrez but as we know Pedro drove next week

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#11 Myrvold

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 19:16

2011, Perez in Monaco.

The only other driver associated with the team was Gutierrez but as we know Pedro drove next week

Because Perez was supposed to race. And Gutierrez wasn't in Canada!

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#12 charly0418

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 20:29

Because Perez was supposed to race. And Gutierrez wasn't in Canada!

In reality Sauber didnt really want Gutierrez to drive, which I understand, he was in his first year of GP2 back then. They werent going to give Gutierrez a chance no matter what

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#13 Myrvold

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 22:16

In reality Sauber didnt really want Gutierrez to drive, which I understand, he was in his first year of GP2 back then. They werent going to give Gutierrez a chance no matter what

Oh well. Sauber and Kaltenborn...

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#14 Victor

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 22:31

I have to say this rule is bonkers with all the reserve and test drivers hanging around the paddock. Its understandable that the cant race from the grid position of the injured/ill driver, or where the reason for a crash is safety related or not understood, but why cant a reserve driver start from the pit lane or back of the grid? This would provide the potential for a test or reserve driver to showcase their talent, as well as increase numbers in the race for viewing pleasure etc.

Well, one good reason is that you have to qualify for the race, If not it would not be fair for NQ drivers.

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#15 Fastcake

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 23:31

Another would be that most of these "reserve" drivers have only driven the car for a 600 metre demo run.

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#16 DerFlugplatz

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 09:38

I think Montermini didn't race in Monaco '96 because Forti did not have an spare car and they

wern't able to fix his race car in time for the race.

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#17 DampMongoose

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:02

Spa/Monza 1988. Mansell was suffering with Chicken Pox and his replacement for the Spa race was Martin Brundle, but Brundle couldn't race at Monza because Tom Walkinshaw (Brundles's Jaguar WSC Boss) put his foot down and said no, despite there being no clash of rounds.

Schlesser (Brundle's closest rival for the WSC title) then replaced the replacement... and collided with Senna and ultimately prevented a Mclaren whitewash. But happily gave the Tifosi a welcome send off for the recently departed Enzo Ferrari.

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#18 jee

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:15

Valencia 2012 after Glock's illness (replacement driver: Maria de Villota - no super licence)

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#19 HistoryFan

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 15:00

any infos who was reserve driver at Williams in 1985 and Ferrari in 1982?

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#20 HistoryFan

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 15:01

But Bottas was injured in qualifying, so how can he be replaced? The FIA has no evidence that any replacement could get within the magic 107%.

Yes but in IndyCar the car is qualified for the race not the driver. I think that's the better rule for circumstances like Bottas in Melbourne.

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#21 CoolBreeze

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 07:34

I think they should just let the test/replacement driver start at the back row, or in the pits.

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#22 DampMongoose

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 09:32

any infos who was reserve driver at Williams in 1985 and Ferrari in 1982?

I'm guessing Ferrari didn't have one in 1982. After Gilles crash didn't they run only Didier for 3 races or so? If they had a reserve he would have been in for two of the races at least. They also didn't attend the Swiss GP at all.

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#23 BRG

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 10:26

I'm guessing Ferrari didn't have one in 1982. After Gilles crash didn't they run only Didier for 3 races or so? If they had a reserve he would have been in for two of the races at least. They also didn't attend the Swiss GP at all.

Yes, back then, there was no such thing as a 'reserve driver' in the sense of a nominated, contracted substitute. In the event of a problem, the teams would just get on the phone and see who they could rustle up. Usually it would be someone with some links to the team - perhaps driving for them in another series like F2 or something. It could even be someone who happened to be there with their helmet and overalls - drivers would often take these with them to race meeting just on the off-chance.

It's only in the stupidly over-regulated nightmare that is modern F1 that there is all this nonsense about formally nominated reserve and test drivers

Edited by BRG, 31 March 2015 - 10:27.

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#24 Nemick

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 11:37

If it were up to me, I would make FP1 a 2 hour session with the first 30 minutes designated for reserve drivers. At least that way they'd have some knowledge of the circuit even if not fully up to speed. It would add little to the expense, give everyone a bit more to watch and still enable a reserve to start from the back if circumstances required it.

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#25 scheivlak

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 11:47

I'm guessing Ferrari didn't have one in 1982. After Gilles crash didn't they run only Didier for 3 races or so? If they had a reserve he would have been in for two of the races at least. They also didn't attend the Swiss GP at all.

Indeed, Ferrari didn't have one.

According to this thread http://forums.autosp...s-ferrari-deal/ at one moment Jan Lammers was asked to replace Villeneuve but he broke his thumb in Detroit practice and missed his chance.