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[Exb]

So where are we on this? i hear people talking of penalties after they've used 4 PU. i've not heard anyone talk about this 5th power unit rule. did it happen?

There is this article from the weekend (no idea how reliable this site is though and I've not seen any other updates about the extra engine)

 

http://autoweek.com/...being-discussed

 

“My understanding from the meeting is that a proposal will be put together by the engine manufacturers,” Force India's Bob Fernley said. “And once we get that, it will go to the next strategy group meeting in the middle of May.

[Quickshifter]

This rule has to come in quickly hopefully as early as European rounds begin cos any later and the drivers already would have suffered engine penalties. There are no lowly teams on Honda or Renault. So the cost increase is just yet another excuse imho. Moreover even with the fifth Engine Honda and Renault powered teams will still be taking penalties but with only four it is going to get farcical.

Now look at it from viewers" point of view. Drivers running fewer laps as the season progresses, saving engine everywhere which will definitely hurt the spectacle. I understand there should be a limit on Power Units but 4 is just ridiculous when you have a new manufacturer and an older one who is still catching up in the process of which is already on the third power unit elements already.

I don't think this rule is going to disadvantage Mercedes or Ferrari but it will give some sort of respite for Honda and Renault. In formula one where egos overweigh common sense i am not sure if the allocation is going to be increased by Europe. I hope it is done but i am not confident.

[Jon83]

Even if it is increased, several teams will still be taking penalties. At least those penalties will maybe come slightly later. 

[SenorSjon]

I rather have them reward more points for using an older engine than hand out penalties left, right and center. I could get by the one engine/weekend rule (smaller teams have used engines for multiple races for ages mind you), but now five races? That is not much entertainment you are getting for your expensive tickets.

[Starish]

F1 shouldn't be a sport of conservation, we have tyre saving, fuel saving and now engine saving modes...with a small gap for actual racing. 

[pdac]

F1 shouldn't be a sport of conservation, we have tyre saving, fuel saving and now engine saving modes...with a small gap for actual racing. 

 

Exactly this. The current F1 should be about money saving and not about saving money through tyre/fuel/engine saving. Engines should be priced at an affordable level by FIA decree and team spending should be heavily regulated.

[midgrid]

Autosport is reporting that the proposal for five engines will be rejected by the F1 Strategy Group next week.

 

Mercedes and Red Bull are expected to vote in favour, but the other teams on the committee - Williams, Force India, McLaren and Ferrari - will not.

[Fastcake]

Why would McLaren and Ferrari vote against? Just why...?

[Clatter]

Why would McLaren and Ferrari vote against? Just why...?

Can't see why Mac would vote against, but if Ferrari think they can do the season on 4 PU's then why would they vote for it? The others would probably vote against on cost grounds.

[Gilles4Ever]

Why would McLaren and Ferrari vote against? Just why...?

For every new engine you can introduce updates, maybe they dont need that many new spec engines to be introduced? fewer bigger updates?

[Fastcake]

Can't see why Mac would vote against, but if Ferrari think they can do the season on 4 PU's then why would they vote for it? The others would probably vote against on cost grounds.

Ferrari cannot know if they will lose an engine or two this early in the season. An extra engine would give them a safety net, and allow them to get more out of the ones they have. It just seems silly to me to turn down something that has very little downside for them.

[Clatter]

Ferrari cannot know if they will lose an engine or two this early in the season. An extra engine would give them a safety net, and allow them to get more out of the ones they have. It just seems silly to me to turn down something that has very little downside for them.

It might be a gamble, but if they believe in their work then why hand a possible advantage to the other teams?

[ardbeg]

Why not just make it so that the team that uses the least amount of engines over a season gets XX amount of bonus points at the end of the season.

That way Some might go for pushing the engines hard and having a new engine every weekend while others will try and save engines and get those extra points.

I like that idea. They start the season with 20 PU points. Each time they change the PU, they lose 5 points. At the end of the season, the PU points are added to the score, even if they are negative.

Actually, I am not sure I do like it, but I do not like a fixed PU limit either.

[Gilles4Ever]

Motorsport.com @Motorsport

Fifth engine plan is not dead yet, says Horner: bit.ly/1cv2EbU #F1

[Clatter]

 

Motorsport.com @Motorsport

Fifth engine plan is not dead yet, says Horner: bit.ly/1cv2EbU #F1

 

They may as well give up on it. It's looking like RB will need a damn sight more than 5 PU's to get through the season. 

[tmekt]

 

Motorsport.com @Motorsport

Fifth engine plan is not dead yet, says Horner: bit.ly/1cv2EbU #F1

 

Well, Renault is obviously going to use more than 4 this year either way. 

[Yoshi]

They will discuss again on the 14th of May.

Honda and Renault will agree and Ferrari likely to agree.

Mercedes according to Lauda will agree, it must be ensured that they will drive more on Friday and the 5th engine must be identical to the 4th.

 

Source: http://www.auto-moto...er-9517301.html

Edited by Yoshi, 08 May 2015 - 14:39.

[Tourgott]

They will discuss again on the 14th of May.

Honda and Renault will agree and Ferrari likely to agree.

Mercedes according to Lauda will agree, it must be ensured that they will drive more on Friday and the 5th engine must be identical to the 4th.

 

Source: http://www.auto-moto...er-9517301.html

 

And that's why Charlie Whiting says it will fall through. It's a "hypocritical compromise" by Niki.

[Yoshi]

And that's why Charlie Whiting says it will fall through. It's a "hypocritical compromise" by Niki.

 

Thx for adding that point.