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#51 jurchenking

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 04:45

I think fans demand F1 drivers to pay their dues in lesser competitive cars before earning 'respect' in winning championships.

 

Right from his F1 debut, Hamilton was slotted into the best car.  His subsequent McLaren years weren't competitive enough to win championships but still strong enough to win races.  McLaren arguably ended up with the strongest car at the end of the season in 2011 and 2012.  His debut year in Mercedes wasn't exactly a struggle either.

 

He's like the little rich kid who had everything handed to him on a platter.  Unfortunately, Vettel is stuck with the same stigma.

 

Compare them with e.g. Mika Hakkinen who slogged for years in uncompetitive machinery.  Or Fernando Alonso who started out as a back marker in Minardi, then a few years in less competitive Renaults until 2005. 



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#52 GoldenColt

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 05:54

I didn't hear any booing. All 3 drivers got a decent reception, especially SV from what was a good portion of Ferrari fans in the limited crowd. Hamilton and Vettel got a bit of pantomime boos and cheers in Oz.

 

Actually, I don't think you're right about that. In Australia, that politician who was handing over the plate was booed. As soon as Lewis took that plate, there were cheers all around.



#53 GoldenColt

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 06:03

I think fans demand F1 drivers to pay their dues in lesser competitive cars before earning 'respect' in winning championships.

 

Funny how that doesn't seem to be a criteria for Schumacher, eh?

 

Right from his F1 debut, Hamilton was slotted into the best car.  His subsequent McLaren years weren't competitive enough to win championships but still strong enough to win races.  McLaren arguably ended up with the strongest car at the end of the season in 2011 and 2012.  His debut year in Mercedes wasn't exactly a struggle either.

 

Best car? I doubt that for 2007. More like strongest pair of drivers, but best car? Neither in 2008, nor in 2009 (especially not until Germany), nor in 2010, nor in 2011 and I would argue that a car like the MP4-27 with miserable weekends like in Bahrain, Monaco, GB, Korea, India and Japan can't be considered as the best car over the whole season. Especially with that sort of reliability. It's nice and good if they had the best car at the end of the 2012 season, but three races are not enough to win a championship, right?

 

He's like the little rich kid who had everything handed to him on a platter. 

 

 

Except nothing was handed to him and he had to work hard to get that McLaren seat. And even harder to impress the board and stay at the team for so long.

 

Compare them with e.g. Mika Hakkinen who slogged for years in uncompetitive machinery.  Or Fernando Alonso who started out as a back marker in Minardi, then a few years in less competitive Renaults until 2005.

 

I never understood that notion. The sort of pressure you have on your shoulders starting off in a top team with high expectations and the chance to win races is something that only the best of the best manage to cope with. Starting off in a lesser car also means you don't have that sort of pressure on your shoulders, you're never going to mix it with the top guys and the top cars. The pressure of having to beat your teammate for a midfield place is no comparison to the pressure of having to beat the reigning two times WDC and fighting for the WDC. Why is this considered to be less of an achievement, than what Hakkinen or Alonso did in their first couple of seasons?

 

Every driver is expected to perform at his maximum and get the most out of the car. Why do some people think that the higher the potential of the car, the less impressive the performance of the driver in question is once he reaches that potential? It makes no sense.


Edited by GoldenColt, 30 March 2015 - 07:46.


#54 chunder27

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 08:25

I can tell you for certain Lewis is anything but rich. I live in Stevenage for my sins and it is not a rich place, his Dad worked himself to the bone to help him and his early career was far from silver spoon stuff. He got on board and made an impression with someone who could help him, I doubt Ron was looking for it totally, but the lad clearly made an impression, much like Heidfeld did remember? And he was dropped like a stone

 

I can also tell you that Max Verstappen was soundly beaten in his karting days by a British kid from the Midlands who is now plying his trade in Formula Renault I believe.

 

Do not believe the hype

 

Remember Marc Hynes beat Button all hands down in F3, Brundle was a match for Senna in F3, Bernoldi was a legend in junior formula before he got to F1.

 

I would think there are just as many guys racing in GT, tin tops etc now coz they ahve to that are better than Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton and anyone else who just didnt have the contacts, breaks and money to get to the top.



#55 quaint

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 09:06

I sense some mental gymnastics around these parts.

 

I certainly perceived a mixed reaction for Lewis on the podium in both races this year, and it seems I wasn't the only one, although I'm far lonelier in that I have no trouble believing the reaction was intended for the driver and not someone else.

 

Not because of his character, I think, but simply because Merc was too dominant last year, and fans of other teams (or drivers) felt the need to protest against that. Why to the driver? He's the face of the team.



#56 josepatches

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 10:04

Yeah I heard the boos. Everybody had his preferred driver or team. Lewis is the champ and he has the best car so it's the driver to beat for the rest of drivers and fans.


Edited by josepatches, 30 March 2015 - 10:04.


#57 Nemo1965

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 10:13

I said it about Vettel, I said it about Rosberg, and I will say it about Hamilton: the fans booing should be ashamed of themselves. Wankers.



#58 Rob

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 12:16

I think fans demand F1 drivers to pay their dues in lesser competitive cars before earning 'respect' in winning championships.

 

Don't you think he paid his dues by winning in karting, Formula Renault, Formula 3, GP2 et al?



#59 Jon83

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 12:29

I think fans demand F1 drivers to pay their dues in lesser competitive cars before earning 'respect' in winning championships.

 

Right from his F1 debut, Hamilton was slotted into the best car.  His subsequent McLaren years weren't competitive enough to win championships but still strong enough to win races.  McLaren arguably ended up with the strongest car at the end of the season in 2011 and 2012.  His debut year in Mercedes wasn't exactly a struggle either.

 

He's like the little rich kid who had everything handed to him on a platter.  Unfortunately, Vettel is stuck with the same stigma.

 

Compare them with e.g. Mika Hakkinen who slogged for years in uncompetitive machinery.  Or Fernando Alonso who started out as a back marker in Minardi, then a few years in less competitive Renaults until 2005. 

 

That may or may not be the case. I think many like the idea of a driver having to work his way up the grid rather than be given competitive cars right from the off.

 

However, it isn't Hamilton's fault. In fact McLaren weren't competitive really in 2006 so there was no guarantee he'd have a winning car from the get go in 2007 (granted they were obviously still one of the biggest teams)

 

Since then, Hamilton has had a car which has been poor (2009) so he has experience of having to fight with cars at the lower end who may have been faster on merit. He had a decent car in 2010 and 2011 but neither was as good as the RBR therefore he didn't win many races. I think his decision to leave the team and take what many would have considered a backwards step was a brave one. 

 

If people are booing Hamilton on that basis, they need to grow up.  



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#60 rasul

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 12:53

I think fans demand F1 drivers to pay their dues in lesser competitive cars before earning 'respect' in winning championships.

 

Right from his F1 debut, Hamilton was slotted into the best car.  His subsequent McLaren years weren't competitive enough to win championships but still strong enough to win races.  McLaren arguably ended up with the strongest car at the end of the season in 2011 and 2012.  His debut year in Mercedes wasn't exactly a struggle either.

 

He's like the little rich kid who had everything handed to him on a platter.  Unfortunately, Vettel is stuck with the same stigma.

 

Compare them with e.g. Mika Hakkinen who slogged for years in uncompetitive machinery.  Or Fernando Alonso who started out as a back marker in Minardi, then a few years in less competitive Renaults until 2005. 

Vettel actually drove a bad car in 2007, drove a mid-table car in 2008, and earned his RBR seat. So it can't be that. 



#61 SR388

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 12:53

People boo. People often don't make sense. If Hamilton annoys them, then they are the sort of people I like to see annoyed.

#62 SpamJet

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 13:13

I heard some booing when it was Lewis' turn, there wasn't much of it and I thought it was just because he didn't win the race.



#63 Myrvold

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 13:30

Vettel actually drove a bad car in 2007, drove a mid-table car in 2008, and earned his RBR seat. So it can't be that. 

 

It can be. As many don't think Vettel earned that spot, rather that it was "planned" for him all along.



#64 Vibe

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 14:05

The biggest boo was for Jordan as far as I remember.

 

It used to feel a bit satisfying for me when Vettel got boo's in previous seasons because I felt there were other more deserving drivers of some wins he got (notably Alonso),but booing is definitely wrong unless it is deserved by making scumbag moves on the track and I would never do it myself.Now the people that booed Vettel cheer his name anyway,and he will never get that again cause he's a Ferrari man now.

 

As for Hamilton,he's such a bland,dull character.I'd rather listen to Bottas.If he keeps dominating soon there will be more boo's than cheers.



#65 bonjon1979a

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 14:09

I think fans demand F1 drivers to pay their dues in lesser competitive cars before earning 'respect' in winning championships.

 

Right from his F1 debut, Hamilton was slotted into the best car.  His subsequent McLaren years weren't competitive enough to win championships but still strong enough to win races.  McLaren arguably ended up with the strongest car at the end of the season in 2011 and 2012.  His debut year in Mercedes wasn't exactly a struggle either.

 

He's like the little rich kid who had everything handed to him on a platter.  Unfortunately, Vettel is stuck with the same stigma.

 

Compare them with e.g. Mika Hakkinen who slogged for years in uncompetitive machinery.  Or Fernando Alonso who started out as a back marker in Minardi, then a few years in less competitive Renaults until 2005. 

I think Hamilton earned a lot of respect in 2009 with a dog of a car that he regularly dragged up the grid. That's why he's regarded by most of the drivers as the best in F1. As for the little rich kid, you couldn't be further from the truth about his background. But whatever, some people have their opinions.



#66 Gyno

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 14:20

Funny how that doesn't seem to be a criteria for Schumacher, eh?

 

Oh really´?

 

Lets see, first race in a POS Jordan.

Then moves to Benetton who was a mid field team and somehow managed to win races against Senna in a mid field car.

After the 2 titles goes to Ferrari, another mid field team at the time and ends up winning 5 titles after years of hard work.

 

He didn't jump into a car that was the best on the grid.

He got into cars that was in the mid field and worked hard with the team, spending thousands of hours on the test tracks.



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 15:21

Oh really´?

 

Lets see, first race in a POS Jordan.

Then moves to Benetton who was a mid field team and somehow managed to win races against Senna in a mid field car.

1. People forget that Jordan was a regular points scorer in 1991. After Schumi retied at SPA 1991, his teammate ran as high as second.

 

2. The Benetton in 1992/1993 was not a mid-field car. It was the 2nd best car on the grid in 1992 and 1993. 

 

Schumi was dealt a good hand, and fair play to him, he made the most of it.


Edited by sennafan24, 30 March 2015 - 15:22.


#68 aportinga

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:00

He wasn't booed at all(I didn't hear it), don't know which post conference you watched. Hamilton is by far the most popular driver in F1.

I heard a lot of booing and found it strange and un-called for.

 

It did make me wonder what it was all about though - people just tired of Lewis/Merc winning or something more deserving?



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:08

This apparently is why Hamilton was booed?
https://m.facebook.c...836465259768454

If so, then it's right thing to do.

He did wear his cap,sunglasses and earplugs when others honoured national anthem!

Edited by Vesuvius, 30 March 2015 - 16:11.


#70 SR388

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:09

This apparently is why Hamilton was booed?
https://m.facebook.c...836465259768454
If so, then it's right thing to do.


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#71 Vesuvius

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:13

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Ok. There is a picture from national anthem ceremony: and someone wrote this:

F1 armchair experts
Lewis Hamilton gets booed on the podium I heard.. Maybe coz of this.. A famous photographer posted this earlier.. When every driver removed their hats for the national anthem, and our champ was wearing his earphones, umbrella, and all that, disrespecting the whole country is what they said.. (and partly their home race too).. A shame to see a person of such calibre to do it honestly.. I like his driving, but the attitude needs to change I guess.!!

#72 OO7

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:22

What about Australia or did he do the same there?



#73 Lemans

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:23

This apparently is why Hamilton was booed?
https://m.facebook.c...836465259768454

If so, then it's right thing to do.

He did wear his cap,sunglasses and earplugs when others honoured national anthem!

 

Lewis should always be booed for his fashion sense, regardless of the national anthem being played or not. :D



#74 Jon83

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:23

This apparently is why Hamilton was booed?
https://m.facebook.c...836465259768454

If so, then it's right thing to do.

He did wear his cap,sunglasses and earplugs when others honoured national anthem!

 

I don't use FB and can't open the page, but I very much doubt he was booed (if he was) because he somehow didn't honour the national anthem enough. 

 

How many would even have known, remembered and been in a position where their boos could be heard!?

 

It certainly isn't 'disrespecting the whole country' 


Edited by Jon83, 30 March 2015 - 16:24.


#75 SanDiegoGo

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:36

Ok. There is a picture from national anthem ceremony: and someone wrote this:

F1 armchair experts
Lewis Hamilton gets booed on the podium I heard.. Maybe coz of this.. A famous photographer posted this earlier.. When every driver removed their hats for the national anthem, and our champ was wearing his earphones, umbrella, and all that, disrespecting the whole country is what they said.. (and partly their home race too).. A shame to see a person of such calibre to do it honestly.. I like his driving, but the attitude needs to change I guess.!!

:rotfl:



#76 GoldenColt

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:44

I remember him doing the same thing before last years Russian GP. Putin still didn't nuke his house down. If there was any booing, it was for another reason.



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:47

I have seen a couple of photos captioned along the lines of 'Driver's observe the National Anthem" and almost half the drivers are wearing sunglasses. many are wearing hats, one or two are clearly wearing earphones, and one or two are playing with towels around their necks, none of them are Hamilton, who is out of shot.  The photos could have been taken at any time before or during the Anthem but there is no way of knowing.  I believe it was only last year after Russian GP that they introduced this 'observation' concept as all the teams used to generally ignore then Anthems and carry on working.

 

As for "respecting the (any) National Anthem", can anyone tell me the "correct" way to honour a National Anthem by using actual written rules rather than just giving subjective opinion or 'old wives tales'? 



#78 SCUDmissile

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:48

there were boos I think, but like Aus it sounded like one guy who got near a mic or something. Maybe Hamilton's got a secret admirer following him around the world.



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 16:51

I remember him doing the same thing before last years Russian GP. Putin still didn't nuke his house down. If there was any booing, it was for another reason.

 

 

it's one or two(max) who are suspiciously strategically near an FOM camera mic. the cheers from the crowd are very loud and far away. the booing is loud and very near. if i had to guess it's a ferrari  mechanic. :lol:



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 17:07

it's one or two(max) who are suspiciously strategically near an FOM camera mic. the cheers from the crowd are very loud and far away. the booing is loud and very near. if i had to guess it's a ferrari  mechanic. :lol:

 

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 17:15

I remember him doing the same thing before last years Russian GP. Putin still didn't nuke his house down. If there was any booing, it was for another reason.

 

Yeah, but would you want to boo when Putin is on the stage? :p



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 17:17

How the hell can you tell it was one guy? Seem to be making a lot of assumptions over only audio being your proof.

 

There was a group of fans booing, it clearly wasn't one guy and is seperate from Australia. In Australia the booing might have been linked to winning a boring race but here he was 2nd and it happened again.

 

 



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 17:18

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Some reference to #anthemgate


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Posted 30 March 2015 - 17:19

Yeah, but would you want to boo when Putin is on the stage? :p

 

That's a very good point you've made. :up: :lol:



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 17:29

Let me add that if a driver did something really dirty - and I don't mean an iffy incident like Rosberg on Hamilton at Spa, but even that I could understand a little - but like Schumacher did with Barrichello (when he almost killed him), than booing perhaps could have a function. But a driver winning too much? In a too dominant car? Not winning in a dominant car? Having his earphones in?

 

Geez.



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 17:51

There was a group of fans booing, it clearly wasn't one guy and is seperate from Australia. In Australia the booing might have been linked to winning a boring race but here he was 2nd and it happened again.

 

 

i think we've found who it was. :lol:  how hot was it in malaysia?



#87 robefc

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 18:23

Anyone concentrating on maintaining their focus rather than pretending to give a damn about the national anthem before they race should be cheered to the rafters.

But equally I agree with the poster who said Lewis should be booed for fashion sense alone! :D

By the way, if it is only one person...is Nico in shot when the booing is going on?!

Edited by robefc, 30 March 2015 - 18:30.


#88 loki

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 18:42

They weren't booing him, they were chanting LOUUUUUUUUUUUU...

 

Some poeple don't like Thee Lewis.  It's as simple as that.



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 18:43

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Some reference to #anthemgate

 

So safe to assume Perez and Maldonado would also have been booed for daring to keep their sunglasses on!?



#90 monolulu

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 18:49

By the way, if it is only one person...is Nico in shot when the booing is going on?!


Haha!

#91 HeadFirst

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 18:57

There was some booing of Hamilton and Vettel as well. I don't think it amounts to anything, some are probably looking to boo Santa if given the opportunity.



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 23:57

So safe to assume Perez and Maldonado would also have been booed for daring to keep their sunglasses on!?

The way those two guys drive all they'd need are a cane and seeing eye dog and they'd be set...



#93 teejay

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 00:39

Lewis is DEFINITELY booed for his 2007 season.

 

F1 fans have been desperately keeping that memory in their pockets for a moment to unleash their anger.

 

 

 

 

wut.



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Posted 31 March 2015 - 00:58

I think it has just become the 'done thing' for some now :rolleyes: - whoever is up there they are going to get booed. Shame they can't just appreciate a great race where the drivers gave their all.