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#101 JHSingo

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 17:54

F1 is not a spec series. Vettel and R.B dominated for around half a decade.

 

 

I think it's an individual choice.

 

I think it's lame to judge Lewis or Seb for how they choose to go about their business. Whatever works for either.

 

Perhaps. But I think about Valentino Rossi. Unless I'm mistaken, he is by some way the most followed motorsport person on Twitter.

 

Did he covert fame? Maybe someone will say otherwise, but I can't recall him attending many music awards ceremonies. He became famous, and has generated a cult-like following, partly from his effervescent nature, but also for being extremely good at what he does. Most people, even if they're not interested in MotoGP, will know who Rossi is. But he doesn't strike me as being particularly bothered about the celebrity lifestyle, but obviously knows how to enjoy himself, and I can respect that.

 

But as you say, different strokes for different blokes, I guess.


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#102 krea

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 17:59

Because your comment made it sound like Vettel was peerless whilst winning WDC's, and the quality of his car had nothing to do with it. I don't work in absolutes, Vettel is very good driver, but to say he "destroyed" Lewis and Alonso in terms of driver ability, is rabid fanboyism.

 

But that's reality. Why Vettel was dominant in the past years is a different story.

 

Again:

 

People thought we would get a long battle between Alonso and Hamilton after all the drama in 2007 but it never happened because Vettel's domination.


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#103 sennafan24

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 18:16

But that's reality. Why Vettel was dominant in the past years is a different story.

Fair enough, as you acknowledged there were other potential reasons outside of driver ability, which contributed to Vettel's domination, I have no dispute. 



#104 BRG

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 18:54

One of the problems I've had with Lewis Hamilton, is that at times I've felt he's more bothered about being a celebrity than a racing driver. Stuff like turning up to present an award at the Brits, which has absolutely nothing to do with racing, or indeed sport, at all. Not to mention the whole deal with the celebrity girlfriend, etc.

Right on brother!  If only he would knuckle down and really concentrate on his racing, he could be a multiple race winner and WDC by now.    ;)



#105 HeadFirst

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 18:57

I've never seen it as Vettel's domination to be honest. Despite Seb's obvious talent, his success was largely due to the excellence of the Red Bull-Renault combo, or perhaps the inability of Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes et al, to sustain a challenge. Today we see a similar dominance from Mercedes and we can only hope that Ferrari or one of the others, can step up to the plate allowing one of their drivers to compete on an equal basis. In my opinion, great driver rivalries are born when excellent drivers compete on more or less equal terms. 



#106 uffen

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Posted 05 April 2015 - 15:10

Every person involved with F1 is an ambassador for the sport, whether they're conscious of it or not. If you meet an F1 truck driver at a roadside cafe and he is polite, considerate, talkative, engaged, etc., he is a good ambassador for F1. If he is standoffish, sarcastic and brusque he is still an ambassador but not a positive one! You will come to the same opinion about F1 when you meet anyone, be it a world champion or a tire balancer - he (or she) has either made a positive impression on you (and your attitude toward the sport) or a negative one. We've all heard the stories.

 

So, not just world champions are ambassadors. Certainly they have the highest profile and so perhaps they "matter" more but in the end everyone matters.

 

As for world champions, was James Hunt a good ambassador? A smoker, drinker, druggie, multi-sex-partner guy, he attracted lots of publicity for F1. But was he a good ambassador? Can't say he represented (at the time) the ideals of the FIA, other than his driving.

JYS? Yes, a great ambassador - safety, long-term sponsor relations, TV commentator, driver, team owner, solid family life, etc., etc.

MS? Yes, I think so. But, having said that, I recall his stint as an "FIA Road Safety Ambassador." All well and good but it was part of his punishment for ramming JV in 1997, IIRC. So, here's our Road Safety Ambassador, he's here as punishment for unsportsmanlike behaviour and dangerous driving. Sheesh.

 

It's a tough call.


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#107 RubberKubrick

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Posted 05 April 2015 - 15:26

No, he's marmite. Personally I much prefer the professional, low profile of Vettel.


Someone who said something with "b*lls" and "swimmingpool" in 2013 and who, in 2014, told the world how sh*tty the new Formula is. I guess, the Formula didn't change that much in 2015, huh? So, do we hear the same from him how bad the new Formula is?

Him, a good ambassador? Come again.

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#108 anneomoly

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Posted 05 April 2015 - 16:46

It is a bit difficult to quantify Vettel as an ambassador for F1, because on one hand you have the person who was whining about the sport moving forward and not being like the old days and generally trying to grind the sport to the ground by sounding like an 80 year old remembering when back in the day when I were a lad things were better and we slept in hole in t'ground blah blah blah (and the whinging did start early, and didn't change. I remember finding it annoying at winter testing).

 

On the other you've got the driver who's so infectiously delighted to drive for Ferrari, live his childhood dream and emulate his hero that he nearly cries and does every post-race interview with a slightly dazed look on his face, and loves the history of the sport so much that he could probably draw the 1961 Spa circuit and tell you who got the podium places.

 

So, this year, yes, last year, no.



#109 krea

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Posted 05 April 2015 - 16:55

It is a bit difficult to quantify Vettel as an ambassador for F1, because on one hand you have the person who was whining about the sport moving forward and not being like the old days and generally trying to grind the sport to the ground by sounding like an 80 year old remembering when back in the day when I were a lad things were better and we slept in hole in t'ground blah blah blah (and the whinging did start early, and didn't change. I remember finding it annoying at winter testing).

 

Looks like Vettel has a free apartment in your head.



#110 LORDBYRON

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Posted 05 April 2015 - 17:21

Lewis is great for the sport.Bernie should just shut it.

#111 Sanzx81

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Posted 05 April 2015 - 19:58

No, he's marmite. Personally I much prefer the professional, low profile of Vettel.


I'd agree with this, Lewis is a supremely talented racer but as ambassador no, he seems to spend too much time hanging around so-called Celebs, which isn't my cup of tea.

#112 KTownDevil

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 20:39

Berger hits back at Ecclestone - Ecclestone wrong to attack Vettel http://www.motorspor...-attack-vettel/

Capelli - Vettel, not Hamilton a better F1 ambassador http://www.motorspor...assador-capelli

"Walking around with earrings or rapper medallions around your neck has no effect on me.

But on Sunday I saw Vettel rejoice like a child despite already having four titles in his pocket."


#113 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 21:18

What is an ambassador? Is it a person who represents the highest values and conduct themselves to those standards, or just someone who attracts publicity? There are some drivers, notably Fangio and Sir Sterling Moss who acted always to the highest standards of gentlemanly conduct. At the opposite end of the spectrum was James Hunt who attracted attention because of his "unconventional" lifestyle.

 

Attracting attention in the entertainment industry does promote higher income, but is that the image we want to send, is that the kind of person you want your children to grow up as? And of course, that leads into the debate whether Formula One is leaning too far towards being just entertainment and losing sight of the purist concept of sport?

 

How do other major sports deal with behavior? Do they tolerate unacceptable conduct?

 

All of this is also tied into respect, does the sport want genuine respect?



#114 ardbeg

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 21:22

Berger hits back at Ecclestone - Ecclestone wrong to attack Vettel http://www.motorspor...-attack-vettel/

Capelli - Vettel, not Hamilton a better F1 ambassador http://www.motorspor...assador-capelli
 

Curiously enough, there are no appointed ambassador for F1. If any driver is seen as an ambassador it is because the fans and media like him and I doubt anyone will care what either Bernies, Capelli's or Bergers say before they choose their favorite. The topic in itself is rather absurd.



#115 ardbeg

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 21:27

...I can however say who is NOT a good ambassador for the sport - Bernie Ecclestone.



#116 Blackmamba

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 23:19

Most top sports stars keep a low profile like Vettel.  You don't see much of McIlroy, Messi or Neymar outside of their sports, Vettel is the same.  I prefer sports stars to keep a low profile, It seems Lewis wants the attention whilst the other don't.

If you don't know what you are talking about its better not to say anything. Neymar also wears earrings, has tattoos aplenty and lives a VERY glamourous lifestyle. And Hamilton is a saint compared to McIlroy, the guy who dumped his fiancee by text just days before the wedding. I know your intention was to bash Hamilton instead of any ingrained affection for these individuals, but at least put some effort into it. :down:



#117 Blackmamba

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 23:31

If you believe that any publicity (good or bad) is good publicity, then certainly Lewis is a good ambassador for F1.

Hamilton has never done anything bad to the detrement of the sport so I don't know how your post is supposed to be relevant. Maybe you would like to shed some more light on this bad publicity that Hamilton has brought.



#118 Blackmamba

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 00:17

Lewis is embarrassing with his awful tattoos, cringeworthy religious statements (trying to be like Senna), ending every sentence with "man", and the whole bling nonsense. How this makes for a good ambassador I don't know. The big advantage is his race. Like Tiger Woods with golf, he helped lift F1 out of being a white "ghetto". In the same way the first woman driver to actually race will have a similar effect. As for Vettel? Well, he's white, German, boring, keeps himself to himself, rather like another ex-champion who hardly needs to be named. Not his fault, but not really what F1 needs in the era of social media.

First off, what is ebarrassing is people trying to dictate how other people should live their lives. If they are doing nothing criminal or morally wrong then they should be allowed to express themselves how they see fit. If Hamilton, Kimi, Jenson and Alonso likes tattoos then  they should be afforded the same basic right as everyone else to live the way they want. Their tattoos do not take anything away from your household. I'm sure you have heard of the expression live and let live.

Second, Senna does not hold the monopoly on religion so Hamilton is allowed to believe in any gospel teachings he is comfortable with just like the other 84% of the people on the planet who have faith. What, are they copying Senna too?

Lastly though the most ridiculous statement you have made is that Lewis and Tiger had an advantage in sport because they are black. No, no, no! Advantage? Really? Utter nonsense! :down: The biggest advantage these guys have had is that they are extremely good at what they do.Nothing was handed to them because of the colour of their skin.Now some people may have been initially interested in how the black guy would cope in as you alluded to a white dominated sport but that does not account for the decade+ that they have been at the top . That would be talent. That's their biggest advantage. And they have kept people interested in them not because they are black. They have the biggest fan bases in their respective sport not because they are black. They attract the most interest for their respective sport not because they are black. They are the most marketable in their sport not because they are black. But because they are talented enough to generate enough interest on their own merit for fans and sponsors alike to keepon being hooked including those who .ont like them. 


Edited by Blackmamba, 07 April 2015 - 00:44.


#119 OvDrone

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:30

I can't stand people who hit on Vettel for being a crybaby boring loner Red Bull helmet changing 2014 whining robot.

 

I can't stand people who hit on Hamilton for having his love affair with pop-culture, rap-bling and celebrity girlfriend, superstar life style.



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 03:59

Bm .... my browser does not allow me to respond directly to posts, but perhaps you would like to point out to me where I have slagged Lewis. The statement "any publicity (good or bad) is good publicity" is common enough in the world of advertising that you should have recognized it. It is relevant because IF you believe it to be true, you will have a different opinion about who makes a good ambassador for the sport. That applies to any sport. For you to imply that Lewis has never been involved in any incident that could be interpreted as controversial, is rather surprising. I would suggest the number of on-track incidents alone over the years (last year with Jenson for example), would be enough to show you that not all the publicity Lewis generates is positive. I'm sure I don't need to go into the off-track stuff, which also generates a tremendous amount of public reaction. Does that make him a poor ambassador for the sport? Not in my opinion. Only if you are extremely narrow minded do you look at just one side of an issue, and that works both ways.



#121 sennafan24

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 13:13

. For you to imply that Lewis has never been involved in any incident that could be interpreted as controversial, is rather surprising. I would suggest the number of on-track incidents alone over the years (last year with Jenson for example), would be enough to show you that not all the publicity Lewis generates is positive.

The one in Germany? If anything, I felt that made both Lewis and Jenson appear mature and humble. Both of them accepted where the other was coming from.



#122 uffen

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 13:55

The Australian courts certainly didn't think much of Lewis the "Hooner."



#123 robefc

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:12

First off, what is ebarrassing is people trying to dictate how other people should live their lives. If they are doing nothing criminal or morally wrong then they should be allowed to express themselves how they see fit. If Hamilton, Kimi, Jenson and Alonso likes tattoos then  they should be afforded the same basic right as everyone else to live the way they want. Their tattoos do not take anything away from your household. I'm sure you have heard of the expression live and let live.

Second, Senna does not hold the monopoly on religion so Hamilton is allowed to believe in any gospel teachings he is comfortable with just like the other 84% of the people on the planet who have faith. What, are they copying Senna too?

Lastly though the most ridiculous statement you have made is that Lewis and Tiger had an advantage in sport because they are black. No, no, no! Advantage? Really? Utter nonsense! :down: The biggest advantage these guys have had is that they are extremely good at what they do.Nothing was handed to them because of the colour of their skin.Now some people may have been initially interested in how the black guy would cope in as you alluded to a white dominated sport but that does not account for the decade+ that they have been at the top . That would be talent. That's their biggest advantage. And they have kept people interested in them not because they are black. They have the biggest fan bases in their respective sport not because they are black. They attract the most interest for their respective sport not because they are black. They are the most marketable in their sport not because they are black. But because they are talented enough to generate enough interest on their own merit for fans and sponsors alike to keepon being hooked including those who .ont like them. 

 

I took the poster to be saying that it was something that Lewis brought to the role of being an ambassador as opposed to saying it was an advantage for himself (being black).



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:13

Eventually they did, but Hamilton initially claimed he thought Jenson was letting him through during a battle for 6th place. Really??? He later admitted his mistake and error in judgement. Now you of all people sennafan do I consider to be a reasonable fan of the sport, and I am certain you would not make the claim that Lewis' career has gone without incident. To choose to support a driver despite his faults and controversies surrounding him, is the sign of a true fan. In fact it is essential, because like all human beings drivers are imperfect creatures.



#125 robefc

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:13

Hamilton has never done anything bad to the detrement of the sport so I don't know how your post is supposed to be relevant. Maybe you would like to shed some more light on this bad publicity that Hamilton has brought.

 

I am a massive Lewis fan...but you would have to be pretty blind to ignore things like Oz 09, his comments post Monaco 2011 and his run in with the cops in Oz whenever it was.



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:15

Eventually they did, but Hamilton initially claimed he thought Jenson was letting him through during a battle for 6th place. Really??? He later admitted his mistake and error in judgement. Now you of all people sennafan do I consider to be a reasonable fan of the sport, and I am certain you would not make the claim that Lewis' career has gone without incident. To choose to support a driver despite his faults and controversies surrounding him, is the sign of a true fan. In fact it is essential, because like all human beings drivers are imperfect creatures.

 

Erm Lewis never took that back, he claimed it because that is what he thought (which was an error in judgement) and Jenson later admitted he could see why Lewis would think that. 



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:17

If you don't know what you are talking about its better not to say anything. Neymar also wears earrings, has tattoos aplenty and lives a VERY glamourous lifestyle. And Hamilton is a saint compared to McIlroy, the guy who dumped his fiancee by text just days before the wedding. I know your intention was to bash Hamilton instead of any ingrained affection for these individuals, but at least put some effort into it. :down:

 

Plus he mentions Messi but conveniently omits his rival for the best footballer on the planet who also happens to be the biggest poser on the planet! Beckham is probably the best example of someone who actively courted fame and successfully turned himself into a brand whilst still maintaining his standards on the pitch and pretty much universal admiration...also has a body covered in tatts.

 

I should point out the first sentence refers to Ronaldo and then I go on to speak about Beckham in case there was any doubt!


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#128 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:21

Bernie isn't a good ambassador for the sport. Although if there was positive about him, he does provide a basis for lots of humour:

 

 

Bernie in his youth actually made tentative attempts to enter a couple of races , but crashed so badly at the Brand's hatch circuit that he ended upside down in a nearby parking lot. The fact that he survived is universally accepted as proof that God doesn't exist. - Uncyclopedia

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:23

Eventually they did, but Hamilton initially claimed he thought Jenson was letting him through during a battle for 6th place. Really??? 

I recall that was the mistake. Lewis felt that Jenson was waving him through, when he wasn't. I also recall that Lewis put his hand after the incident to signify he was at fault.

 

 

Now you of all people sennafan do I consider to be a reasonable fan of the sport, and I am certain you would not make the claim that Lewis' career has gone without incident. To choose to support a driver despite his faults and controversies surrounding him, is the sign of a true fan. In fact it is essential, because like all human beings drivers are imperfect creatures.

Thanks  :up:

 

Lewis's career has not gone without incident, far from it. Do I see things more from Lewis's perspective most of the time? Yes. However, can I also admit that Lewis has been at fault during some of these incidents? 100%

 

I have said in the past that to be a true supporter of a driver, involves admitting that they have faults. The Button example mentioned above, I felt Lewis handled really well (as did Jenson). But I do not have the same perspective on other incidents where Lewis has been involved. 



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:31

I personally prefer Vettel's style of quiet professionalism and private life (it's what I'd do in his position) but I get what Bernie is saying. Lewis is pretty much the only driver who is actively promoting F1 outside of the races.

 

Most of the teenage boys I teach follow all the footy superstars on twitter/instagram these days so without an active social media presence, you won't be able to compete for the next generation of fans.

 

Lewis is also pretty much the only "larger than life" F1 driver that Bernie wants to promote with private jet, million pound super cars, dating pop stars, etc. This is the kind of stuff that catches the public's attention and attracts new fans, a celebrity essentially.

 

Vettel is really quick-witted and funny but only people like us who are already F1 fans will know about it, so it doesn't really befit an "ambassador".  


Edited by SUPRAF1, 07 April 2015 - 14:33.


#131 kenkip

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 14:51

Bernie isn't a good ambassador for the sport. Although if there was positive about him, he does provide a basis for lots of humour:
 

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 15:08

I am a massive Lewis fan...but you would have to be pretty blind to ignore things like Oz 09, his comments post Monaco 2011 and his run in with the cops in Oz whenever it was.

I'm not a Lewis fan at all and wish most could be as realistic as you about "their" driver's occasional shortcomings/faux pas.

Anyway those incidents were long ago and he seems to have learned from them, so water under the bridge.

 

Like many here I find it quite easy to see why Bernie sees Lewis as a better F1 ambassador than Vettel atm that said once Vettel consistently wins in a Ferrari I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie suddenly changes his mind   ;)



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 15:15

To my mind, Hamilton is brilliant for promoting Hamilton. I have my reservations the same being true about him promoting F1 though.



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 15:40

Perhaps. But I think about Valentino Rossi. Unless I'm mistaken, he is by some way the most followed motorsport person on Twitter.

 

Did he covert fame? Maybe someone will say otherwise, but I can't recall him attending many music awards ceremonies. He became famous, and has generated a cult-like following, partly from his effervescent nature, but also for being extremely good at what he does. Most people, even if they're not interested in MotoGP, will know who Rossi is. But he doesn't strike me as being particularly bothered about the celebrity lifestyle, but obviously knows how to enjoy himself, and I can respect that.

 

But as you say, different strokes for different blokes, I guess.

 

 

It's interesting that those who claim to hate the apparent celebrity lifestyle of Hamilton seem to know everything he gets up to.  I only know what he gets up to outside of the racetrack from reading this forum....



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 23:08

To my mind, Hamilton is brilliant for promoting Hamilton. I have my reservations the same being true about him promoting F1 though.


Harsh as it sounds you may be right.Hamilton does go to promote himself mainly in the red capert and mingling with the celebs.The effect of this though is ofcourse F1 gets exposure of him being a WDC.Its a perfect symbiotic relationsgiip IMO

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 08:31

What is an ambassador? Is it a person who represents the highest values and conduct themselves to those standards, or just someone who attracts publicity? There are some drivers, notably Fangio and Sir Sterling Moss who acted always to the highest standards of gentlemanly conduct. At the opposite end of the spectrum was James Hunt who attracted attention because of his "unconventional" lifestyle.

 

Attracting attention in the entertainment industry does promote higher income, but is that the image we want to send, is that the kind of person you want your children to grow up as? And of course, that leads into the debate whether Formula One is leaning too far towards being just entertainment and losing sight of the purist concept of sport?

 

How do other major sports deal with behavior? Do they tolerate unacceptable conduct?

 

All of this is also tied into respect, does the sport want genuine respect?

 

 

To my mind, Hamilton is brilliant for promoting Hamilton. I have my reservations the same being true about him promoting F1 though.

I think you both hit the nail in the head here. I know that in British business sometimes someone is called to be a brand ambassador but in essence they are brand promoters. To match the meaning ambassador one should be a representative i.e. represent F1 (technology, values, competitiveness, sportsmanship, skills etc.) and Hamilton's personal life is not in my mind representing F1, it is representing himself. But I am no means saying that he is not also representing and promoting F1 during race weekends, sponsor events and his F1 related interviews. I think he does a pretty good job in those cases but his other activities during his free time are not really related to F1.

 

When I think more good ambassadors to F1 immediately in my mind comes Arrivabene going to sit into the grandstand among normal fans, or James Allison honestly and openly making many video interviews telling about the technical details of the current Ferrari SF15-T. That kind of closeness to the fans and audience I think is needed more.


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Posted 08 April 2015 - 10:00

Arrivabene's seating arrangement with the common folk was a protest against a reduction in paddock passes, and whatever Allison's videos are, they aren't wide reaching.  What Bernie is getting at is somebody that keeps F1 in the public eye.  It's not the sort ambassadorial role that folks are relating his comments to.  It is a slight double standard though (understatement alert!), as he does nothing to promote the sport himself (and usually drags it through the mud) and charges a fortune to any media outlet who may wish to use F1 footage.



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Posted 08 April 2015 - 10:14

Hamilton has never done anything bad to the detrement of the sport so I don't know how your post is supposed to be relevant.


Australia 2009?

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:03

Press conference hilarity courtesy of Button and Vettel...

 

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#140 RosannaG

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:11

Bernie changes him mind so often that I don't pay much attention to all his "stories"... This one included  :lol:



#141 sopa

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 14:03

It is actually simple. Everything, also good image, starts from the top.

 

If Bernie wants a good ambassador for the sport, he should start with himself being one, and then later turn his attention on criticizing others.



#142 sopa

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 14:16

Yes, narcissists are very marketable, that's why they are more naturally suited to becoming actors/musicians/celebrities.  People who love as much attention as possible.  Great for stirring up drama or attention, great for making money.  People get addicted to talking about them.  A good combination, like jigsaw puzzle pieces that fit together?  Especially in the days of social media.

 

Don't really care about though, and pretty much never agree with anything Bernie says.  Feel a bit of shame just for clicking on this thread at all.

 

Just like to watch F1 for good driving.

 

I enjoyed Vettel's win on the weekend, separate from if he's happy with his girlfriend, what he ate for breakfast, if he got a new Ferrari tattoo, or whether or not he went to a nightclub after the race.
 

 

Narcissists are especially very suitable for becoming politicians and taking on other roles with big money going around (businessmen). :p Simply put - roles, in which they create lots of enemies, but they do not care in the sense that pursuing career and success is more important to them than human relations.



#143 krea

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 14:28

The joke is that you sill need to be rembered as F1 driver otherwise you will end as one of the many female tennis players who gets all the attention in the media but still no one cares about women's tennis.