Indeed. So Mclaren will be challenging for wins will they?
No, because they dont have Alonso
Will Ferrari mount a serious title challenge this year?
#101
Posted 04 April 2015 - 18:21
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#102
Posted 04 April 2015 - 18:49
No, because they dont have Alonso
You are right. To mount a title challenge you need Alonso. Vettel merely wins titles.
#103
Posted 04 April 2015 - 19:11
And for Ferrari's sake Arrivabene must start making political pressure on Pirelli so that they bring more agressive tyre choices on each race.
Pirelli are de facto chinese.
#104
Posted 05 April 2015 - 10:19
I hope Raikkonen wins in Spa.
Sorry , Seb will finish ahead of Kimi.
#105
Posted 05 April 2015 - 10:52
Sorry , Seb will finish ahead of Kimi.
With that kind of knowledge, can I have this year's Grand National winner as well?
#106
Posted 05 April 2015 - 12:07
According to AMUS, there are more and more drivers thinking the Ferrari PU is now actually more powerful then mercs... so appearently It isn't such a strange phenomenon to actually think Ferrari could Challenge them.
There is one thing I am wondering about. Considering how far ahead Mercedes was with their engine last year and considering the engine freeze, how did Ferrari manage to catch up? Because if I understood correctly, they couldn't just re-build the whole power unit from zero, they simply had a limited scope of improvement allowed within the regs?
#107
Posted 05 April 2015 - 12:36
It is possible. Renault said in the winter that with the tokens available they could build a completely new engine:There is one thing I am wondering about. Considering how far ahead Mercedes was with their engine last year and considering the engine freeze, how did Ferrari manage to catch up? Because if I understood correctly, they couldn't just re-build the whole power unit from zero, they simply had a limited scope of improvement allowed within the regs?
But Taffin explains that, in effect, the tokens equate to even more than that.
“For the existing manufacturers,” he said, “we can change a lot of things, whether it is on the engine or the ERS system. In short, we can even build a completely new engine.
“You could say that, compared to last year, we have changed about two thirds of the parts, and certainly we will continue to progress throughout the season.”
Getting it right is another matter entirely, though.
Edited by rasul, 05 April 2015 - 12:41.
#108
Posted 05 April 2015 - 16:55
#109
Posted 05 April 2015 - 17:08
The option of "No, their win was one of, it will be a repeat of 2010, 2013." is weird...
They fought for the title in 2010.....right to the death.
#110
Posted 05 April 2015 - 17:20
I think Ferrari's result was more to do with the extreme temperatures which worked well for them,As the safety car ment turning the GP in to a 2 stop for them
#111
Posted 05 April 2015 - 20:28
No, because they dont have Hamilton or Alonso
Ferrari fans can be damn happy about that. NO DOUBT!
#112
Posted 06 April 2015 - 01:12
well, i suppose anything is possible. but it has been nearly ten years since he was in talladega nights and i'm not sure if he even did all his own driving in that. plus he's nearly 50 and he was never the lightest of guys. i'd have to say it's unlikely. his film commitments would surely get in the way of mounting a serious title challenge. it be a great fairytale story but i fear it is just that, a fairytale.
#113
Posted 06 April 2015 - 01:37
As the safety car ment turning the GP in to a 2 stop for them
The safety car had no bearing on Ferrari's strategy. Maybe changed the length of the first stint by one or two laps.
Mercedes, on the other hand, had planned for a 3 stop race and had planned to pit under an early safety car.
#114
Posted 06 April 2015 - 05:04
#115
Posted 06 April 2015 - 06:24
Nah. I think Malaysia was a one off due to extreme temperatures - it tends to have odd results. Remember 2002 where people thought Williams would take the fight to ferrari after their win there?
It was slightly different in 2002 - Ferrari ran the F2001 in Australia and Malaysia.
Williams beat the previous year's car in 2002. That was not the case this year.
#116
Posted 06 April 2015 - 07:16
I'm not sure yet. I've got a feeling Ferrari will be a thorn in Mercedes side rather than outright challengers. Like Ricciardo last year, but we'll see. Getting an early victory must help them compared to Redbull's midseason victory but there is still a long way to go.
#117
Posted 06 April 2015 - 07:23
The option of "No, their win was one of, it will be a repeat of 2010, 2013." is weird...
They fought for the title in 2010.....right to the death.
Ferrari didnt mount a serious WCC challenge in 2010. Thats why i wrote 2010. That year was just alonso at his peak.
#118
Posted 06 April 2015 - 07:37
Ferrari didnt mount a serious WCC challenge in 2010. Thats why i wrote 2010. That year was just alonso at his peak.
tell me more about that peak, did that include his error ridden first half? he upped his game for the second half and was great from there on, but the first half could've used a 'bit' more polishing and a bit less mistakes.
#119
Posted 06 April 2015 - 07:42
Yes, that still included the couple little errors in the beginning of the season. He was performing at a high level from Day 1 at Ferrari and came desperately close to winning the championship in a car that most drivers probably wouldn't have come close in.tell me more about that peak, did that include his error ridden first half? he upped his game for the second half and was great from there on, but the first half could've used a 'bit' more polishing and a bit less mistakes.
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#120
Posted 06 April 2015 - 08:35
tell me more about that peak, did that include his error ridden first half? he upped his game for the second half and was great from there on, but the first half could've used a 'bit' more polishing and a bit less mistakes.
What mistakes? In Melbourne2010, he was robbed of a better result by Button who kicked him out at the start. Alonso then was 18th and fought back to 4th, only 1.8 seconds shy of Massa (no teamorder in the end, of course, although being only 1.8 seconds behind Massa... however, in another time, by the mid-2000's, we would've witnessed that at the beginning of a season). Anyway, the mistakes were jump start in China2010 and the accident in the 3rd FP in Monaco2010. Everybody does make mistakes. The problem is he didn't have a car which was so good at other GP weekends in order to wipe out the driver-made mistakes (like someone else's when he did terrible mistakes in Hungary2010 or Spa2010 by an overtaking attempt on Button).
#121
Posted 06 April 2015 - 08:46
Just woke up and thought this is a thread about Will Ferrell
#122
Posted 06 April 2015 - 08:48
There was more than a couple of little errors. People have a short memory. He was very far from flawless in 2010(but luckily for him, no one was flawless). Without his mistakes, he would have been the champion. Hell, even finishing higher than Massa in several races would have been enough to win the title, so he definitely didn't always get the most out of the car. His 2012 season was far better than his 2010 season.Yes, that still included the couple little errors in the beginning of the season. He was performing at a high level from Day 1 at Ferrari and came desperately close to winning the championship in a car that most drivers probably wouldn't have come close in.
#123
Posted 06 April 2015 - 09:07
There was more than a couple of little errors. People have a short memory. He was very far from flawless in 2010(but luckily for him, no one was flawless). Without his mistakes, he would have been the champion. Hell, even finishing higher than Massa in several races would have been enough to win the title, so he definitely didn't always get the most out of the car. His 2012 season was far better than his 2010 season.
Even slightly worse than 2012 means that 2010 is still much better than most of the other drivers would achieved in such a car. Let me put it this way: It wouldn't have been spectacular, if, in 2010, Alonso came close to the title by four points, and Massa, however, (who also didn't have to suffer many mechanical DNFs, btw.) had also between 235 and 240 WDC points by the end of the season.
#124
Posted 06 April 2015 - 09:11
Even slightly worse than 2012 means that 2010 is still much better than most of the other drivers would achieved in such a car. Let me put it this way: It wouldn't have been spectacular, if, in 2010, Alonso came close to the title by four points, and Massa, however, (who also didn't have to suffer many mechanical DNFs, btw.) had also between 235 and 240 WDC points by the end of the season.
"Much better than most of the other drivers would achieved in such a car" is a speculation, nothing more, since Alonso himself was far from flawless in that car. We only know what Massa could (or rather, couldn't) achieve in that car.
#125
Posted 06 April 2015 - 11:07
#126
Posted 06 April 2015 - 23:45
No.
And wishful thinking doesn't make it so.
#127
Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:07
well, i suppose anything is possible. but it has been nearly ten years since he was in talladega nights and i'm not sure if he even did all his own driving in that. plus he's nearly 50 and he was never the lightest of guys. i'd have to say it's unlikely. his film commitments would surely get in the way of mounting a serious title challenge. it be a great fairytale story but i fear it is just that, a fairytale.
I think he's still up to it even he's nearly 50. He is quite fit you know, he once was a basketball player, coach and manager at the same time.
#128
Posted 07 April 2015 - 12:32
You see, this is what I'm talking about, they win one race and posts like this appear..
Maybe you were watching a different Malaysia race. I am a McLaren fan and I watched Kimi tear thru the field and Vettel match the two Mercedes drivers. It is correct that RubberKubrick and others would post positively to Ferrari and their efforts. I, along with most F1 fans, want a competitive season, Ferrari has upped their game, there is no denying this. I think all of the Mercedes supporters need to expect more competition this year, all indicators point that way.
#129
Posted 07 April 2015 - 12:40
Can someone please explain to me why there are all these Ferrari resurgence posts and threads, especially concerning them taking the fight to Merc? As far as I can see its Merc who are still in the driving seat and it was only the conditions and tyres that enabled Ferrari to fight. It all seems very premature.
I genuinely don't understand it...
Only the conditions and tyres..............which were the same for everyone. Part of racing, I think you will see more from Ferrari and possibly others before the end of the season. Competition is what everyone is desperate for and I for one really like the mix at the top. I am a hard and fast McLaren fan with Williams my second favorite team and I found myself pulling for Kimi extremely hard during the Malaysia race and from the midpoint of the race, I could see that Vettel could not be caught by either Mercedes. I'm sure the Mercedes fans would have called a winning tire strategy with 3 stops a brilliant move if they had won, but Ferrari setting up their cars for a two stop was just a fluke? weather supported? I commend the Ferrari team and their drivers.
#130
Posted 08 April 2015 - 01:07
Back then, on paper, Red Bull were challenged, having lost 6 wins to Mclaren and 1 to Ferrari. The general perception however was that Red Bull dominated, especially in qualifying.
This year, Mercedes are expected to continue to dominate, but Ferrari could play a role similar to the one Mclaren did in 2011.
#131
Posted 08 April 2015 - 03:00
It might be too early to gauge, but --
What if... they win again, in China
#132
Posted 09 April 2015 - 10:00
#133
Posted 09 April 2015 - 10:07
Gutierrez, maybe downplaying things but he thinks Shanghai will be a harder race than Malaysia.
#134
Posted 19 April 2015 - 22:40
They've beaten Mercedes in race 2. Yes.
I wouldn't say everything is in place for them but I would say that they have enough to mount a title challenge. Certainly a higher chance than Ricciardo last year.
I would agree in the race pace being radically different. But perhaps that's down to "the heat" or "the safety car" or "traffic".
However Mercedes and Ferrari want to sum it up it's all looking a damn site better than it was last year so hurrar! For that. I hope Raikkonen wins in Spa.
Sorry , Seb will finish ahead of Kimi.
Care to eat your words?
#135
Posted 19 April 2015 - 22:52
I'm under the impression they are investing massive amounts of money into developing.
I think they will be at the same level from the second half of the season.
#136
Posted 20 April 2015 - 01:10
The car is capable, but I don't think either Raikkonen or Vettel could challenge Hamilton in a car slightly behind. Hamilton has taken another step in his driving while both of them are still making small errors constantly.
#137
Posted 20 April 2015 - 02:44
We'll get a better idea after the Barcelona weekend, next time out.
#138
Posted 10 May 2015 - 14:51
The anwser is now obvious. Ferrari wont mount a title challenge but will be able to give the mercs a good run for their money on some favourable tracks.
#139
Posted 10 May 2015 - 14:52
Glad I voted No, it was pretty obvious even back then.
#141
Posted 10 May 2015 - 15:48
The anwser is now obvious. Ferrari wont mount a title challenge now that ''normal weather'' has resumed.
#142
Posted 10 May 2015 - 16:35
I think Ferrari will be much closer again in the next few races,and challenge for wins in certain tracks....but Barcelona was always going to be a track where Mercs were going to be unbeatable.
But overall I just dont think Ferrari is quite there yet to truly challenge Mercedes for the championships. They have done excellent job with the power-unit, but the car still clearly lacks downforce compared to Mercedes.
Edited by Balnazzard, 10 May 2015 - 16:38.
#143
Posted 10 May 2015 - 16:45
The car is capable, but I don't think either Raikkonen or Vettel could challenge Hamilton in a car slightly behind. Hamilton has taken another step in his driving while both of them are still making small errors constantly.
This. Raikkonen or Vettel could beat Hamilton only in a car that is at least slightly faster than Mercedes. Since i don't see that happening (maybe only in some individiual races with specific conditions like Malaysia) i think they have no chance this year.
#144
Posted 10 May 2015 - 18:27
Ferrari are on the up, sort of like 96-97 type, but not quite good enough to beat Mercedes. Or 09-10 increase in performance which meant that they are good, but not good enough to beat the top cars.