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[Graveltrappen]

Vettel winning for Ferrari means he has a 100% record for winning at least 1 race for the 3 teams he's raced for in F1.

Are there many other drivers who have managed this? Hamilton is one obviously, but only 2 teams under his belt...

[calibre001]

Vettel didn't win any races with BMW-Sauber...

[Graveltrappen]

Indeed, neither he did. I'd actually forgotten about the 2007 US GP... I stand corrected!

[HistoryFan]

Hamilton

[mjspeed]

Alain Prost

[calibre001]

Your point is still interesting- he's as much a BMW driver as Schumacher was a Jordan driver...it's just a footnote to his story

[calibre001]

Alain Prost

[encircled]

Alain Prost, Jackie Stewart, JPM, Denny Hulme, Lewis Hamilton

Edited by encircled, 03 April 2015 - 11:05.

[scheivlak]

Jim Clark - an easy one 

 

Stewart and Fangio as well, I think.

[Ben1445]

This would probably be more impressive to work out whose won races with every team they've driven for combined with who out of those has done it for the highest number of teams 

[Clatter]

How about Jackie Stewart? Think he won for all teams he drove for.

[andrewf1]

Juan Pablo Montoya (Williams + Mclaren)

[krea]

Well, winning for three different teams is rare enough I would say.

[andrewf1]

Well, winning for three different teams is rare enough I would say.

Indeed. Alonso would fit in that category, having won for Renault, Mclaren and Ferrari, but his Minardi stint leaves him out of OP's criteria.

[encircled]

Well, winning for three different teams is rare enough I would say.

15 drivers did.

 

http://www.statsf1.c...-different.aspx

[KWSN - DSM]

Stewart - Won for 4, raced for 4

Prost - Won for 4, raced for 4

 

Fangio - Won for 4, raced for 5

 

Raikkonen - Won for 3, raced for 4

Button - Won for 3, raced for 4

Alonso - Won for 3, raced for 4

Vettel - Won for 3, raced for 4

Reuteman - won for 3, raced for 4

Scheckter - Won for 3, raced for 4

 

Lauda - Won for 3, raced for 5

Berger - Won for 3, raced for 5

 

Moss - Won for 5, raced for 10

Piquet - Won for 3, raced for 6

 

Gurney - Won for 3, raced for 7

Surtees - Won for 3, raced for 8

 

[garoidb]

Vettel winning for Ferrari means he has a 100% record for winning at least 1 race for the 3 teams he's raced for in F1.

Are there many other drivers who have managed this? Hamilton is one obviously, but only 2 teams under his belt...

 

Gunnar Nilsson? (Edit: only drove for 1 team)

Edited by garoidb, 03 April 2015 - 11:10.

[garoidb]

Stewart - Won for 4, raced for 4

Prost - Won for 4, raced for 4

 

Fangio - Won for 4, raced for 5

 

Raikkonen - Won for 3, raced for 4

Button - Won for 3, raced for 4

Alonso - Won for 3, raced for 4

Vettel - Won for 3, raced for 4

Reuteman - won for 3, raced for 4

Scheckter - Won for 3, raced for 4

 

Lauda - Won for 3, raced for 5

Berger - Won for 3, raced for 5

 

Moss - Won for 5, raced for 10

Piquet - Won for 3, raced for 6

 

Gurney - Won for 3, raced for 7

Surtees - Won for 3, raced for 8

 

 

Button raced for Williams, Benetton, BAR/Honda/, Brawn and McLaren, so 5 teams. 

[KWSN - DSM]

Button raced for Williams, Benetton, BAR/Honda/, Brawn and McLaren, so 5 teams. 

 

It gets worse

 

Williams

Renault

Benneton

Honda

BAR

Brawn

McLaren

 

7  

 

[garoidb]

It gets worse

 

Williams

Renault

Benneton

Honda

BAR

Brawn

McLaren

 

7  

 

 

... so how to define when a team becomes a new team? If we want to consider Benetton and Renault as the same team, then how could we consider Honda and Brawn as two separate teams? 

[encircled]

... so how to define when a team becomes a new team? If we want to consider Benetton and Renault as the same team, then how could we consider Honda and Brawn as two separate teams

By official name of the constructor during the season.

[Jimisgod]

Stewart - Won for 4, raced for 4

Prost - Won for 4, raced for 4

 

Fangio - Won for 4, raced for 5

 

Raikkonen - Won for 3, raced for 4

Button - Won for 3, raced for 4

Alonso - Won for 3, raced for 4

Vettel - Won for 3, raced for 4

Reuteman - won for 3, raced for 4

Scheckter - Won for 3, raced for 4

 

Lauda - Won for 3, raced for 5

Berger - Won for 3, raced for 5

 

Moss - Won for 5, raced for 10

Piquet - Won for 3, raced for 6

 

Gurney - Won for 3, raced for 7

Surtees - Won for 3, raced for 8

 

 

Moss is a pretty incredible stat. Is he the most prolific driver in terms of teams?

[sabjit]

Stewart - Won for 4, raced for 4

Prost - Won for 4, raced for 4

 

Fangio - Won for 4, raced for 5

 

Raikkonen - Won for 3, raced for 4

Button - Won for 3, raced for 4

Alonso - Won for 3, raced for 4

Vettel - Won for 3, raced for 4

Reuteman - won for 3, raced for 4

Scheckter - Won for 3, raced for 4

 

Lauda - Won for 3, raced for 5

Berger - Won for 3, raced for 5

 

Moss - Won for 5, raced for 10

Piquet - Won for 3, raced for 6

 

Gurney - Won for 3, raced for 7

Surtees - Won for 3, raced for 8

 

 

!Dispute

 

He won for 2 and raced for 4. He raced for Williams, then for Benneton/Renault then for BAR/Honda/Brawn (which he won 7 races for) and then for Mclaren (which he won 8 races for).

[BRG]

Stewart - Won for 4, raced for

I'm probably being thick but remind me of the fourth team?

[encircled]

I'm probably being thick but remind me of the fourth team?

Tyrrell, BRM, Matra, March

 

http://www.statsf1.c...nstructeur.aspx

[grandepreuve]

I'm probably being thick but remind me of the fourth team?

 

I guess we're talking about constructors rather than teams. Actually raced for 2 teams although one of those operated as Matra International rather than the name Tyrrell for a time. So, constructors BRM, Matra, March and Tyrrell.

[BRG]

OK. A grey area, I guess.

[scheivlak]

I guess we're talking about constructors rather than teams. Actually raced for 2 teams although one of those operated as Matra International rather than the name Tyrrell for a time. So, constructors BRM, Matra, March and Tyrrell.

 

The thread title says teams. And anybody who has experienced the 60s and 70s first hand -like me- would never think or say that Stewart "won for March". That was a different team in direct competition with Tyrrell.

 

Stewart raced and won for three teams, BRM, Matra International and Tyrrell though it's safe to say that the last two are more or less the same.

[Vitesse2]

In addition to his WDC wins for BRM and Lotus Graham Hill also won a non-championship race - the 1971 International Trophy - for Brabham.

[KWSN - DSM]

Mea Culpa

 

Numbers posted by me are constructors not teams.

 

[Vitesse2]

The thread title says teams. And anybody who has experienced the 60s and 70s first hand -like me- would never think or say that Stewart "won for March". That was a different team in direct competition with Tyrrell.

 

Stewart raced and won for three teams, BRM, Matra International and Tyrrell though it's safe to say that the last two are more or less the same.

As BRG says, a grey area. But Wee Jackie also had a run in a works Lotus in the 1964 Rand GP.

[ANF]

So it looks like the only drivers who won a race for every team they raced for (if they raced for more than one) are:

Alain Prost (4 teams)
Nino Farina (2)
Denny Hulme (2)

Jackie Stewart (2)

Juan-Pablo Montoya (2)
Lewis Hamilton (2)

Then we have:
Juan Manuel Fangio (won for 4 teams) – but did not win in the privately-entered Maserati in 1958

Sebastian Vettel (3) – but did not win his single race for BMW Sauber in 2007
Bruce McLaren (2) – but did not win in any of the three races for Anglo American Racers in 1967

Edited by ANF, 03 April 2015 - 21:44.

[grandepreuve]

The thread title says teams. And anybody who has experienced the 60s and 70s first hand -like me- would never think or say that Stewart "won for March". That was a different team in direct competition with Tyrrell.

 

Stewart raced and won for three teams, BRM, Matra International and Tyrrell though it's safe to say that the last two are more or less the same.

 

I'm pretty sure I agree with you, just saying it seems that despite the title saying 'teams' the stats seem to be based around constructors. But..it is a bit of a grey area. Has Jenson Button driven for one team under the different guises of BAR, Honda and Brawn or for three separate teams BAR, Honda and Brawn - the latter seems to be based on the official nomenclature of the cars (so...constructors)

[grandepreuve]

So it looks like the only drivers who won a race for every team they raced for are:

Jackie Stewart (4 teams)
Alain Prost (4)
Giuseppe Farina (2)
Denny Hulme (2)
Juan-Pablo Montoya (2)
Lewis Hamilton (2)

Then we have:
Juan Manuel Fangio (won for 4 teams) – but did not win in the privately-entered Maserati in 1958,
Bruce McLaren (2) – but did not win in any of the three races for Anglo American Racers in 1967.

 

Luigi Fagioli, Gunnar Nilsson,  Jim Clark, Francois Cevert

Edited by grandepreuve, 03 April 2015 - 12:15.

[Nonesuch]

 

Nice list.

 

It's quite odd to see such a list of classic names without Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna being a part of it. Both won for two constructors and drove for four. Of course Schumacher drove only one race for Jordan, and Senna only three for Williams.

Edited by Nonesuch, 03 April 2015 - 12:15.

[ANF]

Luigi Fagioli, Gunnar Nilsson,  Jim Clark, Francois Cevert

They are the ones who only raced for one team?

[KWSN - DSM]

A much greyer area than I thought it when read thread and posted my first post. Fangio did not qualify for Kurtis Kraft at Indianapolis, so naturally did not win, at that time the Indy 500 counted towards the WDC.

 

[KWSN - DSM]

And then I digged in to non championship races, so many that I could not even get to the end. Below is an exlectic sampling according to my own rules for when to count and when not to, so I have not counted the races which became non-Championship through the various FOCA / FOM / FIA wars.

 

1972 - Brands Hatch winner Fittipaldi Lotus
1972 - Interlagos winner Reutemann Brabham
1972 - Silverstone winner Fittipaldi Lotus

1973 - Brands Hatch winner Gethin Chevron
1973 - Silverstone winner Stewart Tyrrell

1974 - Brasilia winner Fittipaldi McLaren
1974 - Brands Hatch winner Ickx Lotus
1974 - Silverstone winner Hunt Hesketh

1975 - Brands Hatch winner Pryce Shadow
1975 - Silverstone winner Lauda Ferrari

1976 - Brands Hatch winner Hunt McLaren
1976 - Silverstone winner Hunt McLaren

1977 - Brands Hatch winner Hunt McLaren

1978 - Silverstone winner Rosberg Theodore

1979 - Brands Hatch winner Villeneuve Ferrari
1979 - Donnington winner Jones Williams
1979 - Imola winner Lauda Brabham

1983 - Brands Hatch winner Rosberg in Williams

 

[Fatgadget]

So it looks like the only drivers who won a race for every team they raced for (if they raced for more than one) are:

Jackie Stewart (4 teams)
Alain Prost (4)
Nino Farina (2)
Denny Hulme (2)
Juan-Pablo Montoya (2)
Lewis Hamilton (2)

Then we have:
Juan Manuel Fangio (won for 4 teams) – but did not win in the privately-entered Maserati in 1958
Bruce McLaren (2) – but did not win in any of the three races for Anglo American Racers in 1967

No Aryton Senna?

[kevinracefan]

no one's giving props for Fangio winning a title for all those different teams??

that's more impressive than just a race win for several teams, I M O...

[AustinF1]

By official name of the constructor during the season.

So if Alonso or Button eventually wins for McLaren Honda, does that add a team to their list?

[johnmhinds]

Which drivers have won races in every season they've competed in F1?

 

I know Lewis Hamilton is one of them, but has anyone else managed to do that?

[Nemo1965]

Alain Prost, Jackie Stewart, JPM, Denny Hulme, Lewis Hamilton

 

Alain Prost is a bit of an odd example. He did not win for McLaren in his first year, and that was a different team altogether than the current one. Different owner, different factory, different main sponsor. The team he drove later for was still called McLaren... but that team had as much connection with the McLaren of 1980 as the Renault-team of 2005 had with the Renault-team in the seventies and eighties.

[Christbiscuit]

No Aryton Senna?

 

Raced for four teams, won for two, no?

[Spillage]

Interesting that of the 95 GP winners (excluding the Indy 500) more than half of them won races for more than one team. Guess it shows how hard it is to win a race; you usually have to have some enduring quality to manage it.

[ForzaGTR]

So it looks like the only drivers who won a race for every team they raced for (if they raced for more than one) are:

Jackie Stewart (4 teams)
Alain Prost (4)
Nino Farina (2)
Denny Hulme (2)
Juan-Pablo Montoya (2)
Lewis Hamilton (2)

Then we have:
Juan Manuel Fangio (won for 4 teams) – but did not win in the privately-entered Maserati in 1958
Bruce McLaren (2) – but did not win in any of the three races for Anglo American Racers in 1967

 

Vettel?

[Nonesuch]

I know Lewis Hamilton is one of them, but has anyone else managed to do that?

 

Not that I know of, at least not in the modern era.
 

Raced for four teams, won for two, no?

 

Indeed. Ayrton Senna drove, but did not win, for Toleman and Williams.

[PlatenGlass]

Alain Prost is a bit of an odd example. He did not win for McLaren in his first year, and that was a different team altogether than the current one. Different owner, different factory, different main sponsor. The team he drove later for was still called McLaren... but that team had as much connection with the McLaren of 1980 as the Renault-team of 2005 had with the Renault-team in the seventies and eighties.

I was thinking that as well. You could go by stints at a team, in which case Prost would not qualify.

[ANF]

I made some more changes to #32. I was in a hurry when I posted it. Should have waited.

Vettel is mentioned now with Fangio and McLaren. And JYS certainly didn't race for four teams. I changed it to two: BRM and Tyrrell/Matra/Tyrrell.

[KWSN - DSM]

I know my list was constructors and not teams as the OP intended it to. As have been noted, there are a lot of grey areas in this, Taking Jackie Stewart, did he race for 2, 3 or 4 teams.

 

1965, 1966, 1967 - Entered by Owen Racing Organization, racing a BRM.

1968, 1969 - Entered by Matra Inedternational, racing a Matra (Team Principal was Ken Tyrrell).

1970 - Entered by Tyrrell Racing Organization, racing a March.

1971, 1972, 1973 - Entered by Team Tyrrell, racing a Tyrrell.

 

So with the 2 Tyrrell's presumed to be the same, did he not then race for 3 teams, in 4 cars?