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[Clatter]

Vettel?

He had one race for BMW, so officially no.

[The Kanisteri]

Hamilton

 

I don't want to questionate his talent behind wheels, since he has broven he is worthy champion.

 

But F1 careerwise...

 

I have feeling Hamilton took part on Britains Pop Idols and won it. He can perform and sing, but did he do it like fellow artists from poor garage band to school band, having some pub gigs till few truck big tour, from bad quality first signle to millions selling immediate hit? No. People behind him lifted him directly at top.

[HeadFirst]

I am pretty impressed with Seb's stat. Sure he didn't win in the BMW (1 race as a sub), but he won in the Toro Rosso (nobody else did), the Red Bull (their first win I think) and the Ferrari (after only 2 races).

[Collombin]

I'm probably being thick but remind me of the fourth team?

I was thinking the same about Moss winning for 5 "teams". I should have guessed.....

[BRG]

I don't want to questionate his talent behind wheels, since he has broven he is worthy champion.

 

But F1 careerwise...

 

I have feeling Hamilton took part on Britains Pop Idols and won it. He can perform and sing, but did he do it like fellow artists from poor garage band to school band, having some pub gigs till few truck big tour, from bad quality first signle to millions selling immediate hit? No. People behind him lifted him directly at top.

Which Hamilton do you mean?  Not the one currently in F1 obviously, who fought his way up through karting, F. Reanult, F3 and GP2, so I guess there must be another one?

[The Kanisteri]

Lewis Hamilton. I didn't mean his pre-F1 career. For decades there was principle that top teams hired driver who had proof his talent in midfield teams (F1) or even backmarkers teams (F1). This all was server to Lewis Hamilton in silver plate.

Edited by The Kanisteri, 04 April 2015 - 19:28.

[robefc]

Like Kimi you mean?

Also that silver platter came complete with a double WDC teammate.

Edited by robefc, 04 April 2015 - 21:03.

[HeadFirst]

Kimi didn't go straight to a top team.

[scheivlak]

Like Kimi you mean?

Also that silver platter came complete with a double WDC teammate.

One of the most embarrissing posts ever.

[RacingDuck]

So if Alonso or Button eventually wins for McLaren Honda, does that add a team to their list?

 

No but if Button manages it he gets a win retroactivly added to his Honda stint to boost his stats.

[Fox1]

Lewis Hamilton. I didn't mean his pre-F1 career. For decades there was principle that top teams hired driver who had proof his talent in midfield teams (F1) or even backmarkers teams (F1). This all was server to Lewis Hamilton in silver plate.

 

That's nonsense.  TPs hire the best driver available.

[robefc]

Kimi didn't go straight to a top team.

I knew writing that in haste would come back and bite me in the arse!

I'll stand by the second part of my post

[P123]

Lewis Hamilton. I didn't mean his pre-F1 career. For decades there was principle that top teams hired driver who had proof his talent in midfield teams (F1) or even backmarkers teams (F1). This all was server to Lewis Hamilton in silver plate.

Not really, it's very much the modern way of doing it. 'Silver plate' is a cheap shot, as he was very obviously picked based on his talent. Going in against the reigning 2x WDC wasn't seen as entirely favourable for his future career propects at the time. McLaren did it first with Magnussen Snr, and then did it slightly differently with Hamilton, signing him much younger. DC went straight in with Williams, as did JV, as did JB, as did JPM. All based on what they did prior to F1. Same as Hamilton with McLaren. Some even have the good fortune to be farmed out to a nursery team, like Vettel or Ricciardo, to learn their trade, round off the rough edges and prove themselves before being thrust into the major team. The last guy to be truly picked out from a backmarker team, and who wasn't part of one of the junior driver programmes/ junior career funding from Marlboro, Williams, McLaren, Elf, Red Bull, etc that meets your criteria is Alonso.

Kimi didn't go straight to a top team.

No, but he went straight into F1 after one promising season in the junior formulae. The slight irony from that is that it would have taken him longer to reach the McLaren seat if he were a McLaren junior, running under Ron's stipulations!

[P123]

One of the most embarrissing posts ever.

I dunno, there is one a few posts above which tries to isolate, ignore and dismiss a driver making it to F1 by way of winning the traditional stepladder championships in order to proclaim their place as being given for nothing- '"on a silver plate". Because they didn't make it the traditional (but not really) way. Oh dear.

[Newbrray]

I dunno, there is one a few posts above which tries to isolate, ignore and dismiss a driver making it to F1 by way of winning the traditional stepladder championships in order to proclaim their place as being given for nothing- '"on a silver plate". Because they didn't make it the traditional (but not really) way. Oh dear.

 

I guess the poster forgot about the following

 

Juan Manuel Fangio

Jacques Villeneuve

Juan Pablo Montoya

Kevin Magnussen

 

or maybe they don't count

Edited by Newbrray, 04 April 2015 - 23:12.

[SilverArrow31]

Yes Hamilton got catapulted straight into a McLaren, but his teammate was the current and two time world champion, somehow I don't think that was having anything handed to him on a silver plate. And both his career before (F Renault champion, F3 champion and GP2 champion) and after his debut proves it was the right decision for McLaren, he deserved that seat, and delivered himself. 9 years and counting proves that.

[velgajski1]

I don't want to questionate his talent behind wheels, since he has broven he is worthy champion.

 

But F1 careerwise...

 

I have feeling Hamilton took part on Britains Pop Idols and won it. He can perform and sing, but did he do it like fellow artists from poor garage band to school band, having some pub gigs till few truck big tour, from bad quality first signle to millions selling immediate hit? No. People behind him lifted him directly at top.

 

This has to be silliest post ever, especially considering how many of F1 drivers are 'rich kids'. Hamilton wasn't one of those and had to go through all the steps based on talent alone.

[PayasYouRace]

DC went straight in with Williams, 

 

While true, it was in exceptional and tragic circumstances. I'd say he performed well enough to deserve it though, especially in 1995, but you have to wonder what his career would have been had events transpired differently.