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#51 desmo

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 20:55



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#52 Ericoz

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 05:40

The cheapest possible race car to build would have to be based on the Nissan Silvia S14. Start with a failed MOT car, dress it in Time Attack wear, a rollcage, better brakes and damping. All parts are off the shelve, so quantity buying will get you better prices. You can keep the cars stock or go crazy if you like. Personally I would lighten the thing right down and wring as much horsepower as possible, with just after market ECU. They look the part, scare the hell out of you and teach you how to handle a car a serious speed.



#53 racingforeveryone

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 14:52

I think you need to revisit your math teacher, but I will bite again and just throw numbers...

 

if your target vehicle should race at 70-150 mph, on a racetrack, we are talking about a vehicle that will be in the 300-400 kg wet weight and 100-140 hp.

Lets presume that your AVERAGE speed is 70 mph, for the sake of argument.. no, lets say 100 km/h.

In a race situation, that car will use, 15 l/100 km... @1.2 GBP per litre... for one hour of "racing" that is 18 GBP just in fuel.

Tires... if you want grip, you will need some track friendly tires.. for our imaginary car 13" will do, and you will be buying in bulk so lets say 30 GBP per tire? 120 GBP per car, and those will last.. ohh, 4 hours of racing.. so 30 GBP per hour.

BRakes.. our imaginary car is super light so ordinary Fiat pads will do.. 32 GBP per car, should last 8 hours, so 4 GBP per hour...

Car... well, we find an incredibly talented designer and his company builds us a super cheap 300 kg, 100 hp car.. let's say he charges us 10000 GBP for the car... NOw, I assure you, that after 50000 Km of RACING that car will be ready to be thrown in the bin. So, the original investment of 10000 GBP will have to be amortized over 50000 km of racing.. .which is 500 hr.... coming down to 20 GBP per hour..

 

SO, this back of the napkin approach got us to 72 GBP per hour, excluding track fees, support, tax and profit... So the answer to your question is NO.

 

So 72 GBP per hour. Lets assume 80 GBP considering the profit as 8 GBP. It is 60% more than my assumption. Why not to decrease the scale of a car by 40%. We will get a midget car and still fun ( http://www.knfilters...ylor-ferns1.jpg ) . So i am still positive about my idea. Also Fat Boy wrote that you assumptions are about F3, not about the amateur driving



#54 racingforeveryone

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 14:58

I find many aspects of this difficult to believe and clearly you have failed the most basic of entrepreneurial rules - be informed at least a little before asking questions. The VAST majority of your customers will not be capable of driving a 150mph car. Most will not be capable of over 100mph in anything but a straight line, however you are also apparently ignorant of Karts too - look up superkarts and see how fast they are. You also could not hope to run a car for 8 hours per day.

Simply put your knowledge and numbers do not stack up and you are wasting your own and others time.

 

OK. Let it be just 100 MPH. So what? I repeat once more - In this thread i do not ask people to give me advises on business(it is a next step), here i ask people to help me with technical part. If i cant run 8 hours, i will design a special series(for example) and will test another ideas. But it is a next step.....About superkarts: it is a good idea but not attractive for customers so it is not a proper solution.



#55 racingforeveryone

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 15:02

So, somebody has done more or less what you are proposing, and it costs 12 times as much as you're aiming at.

 

What did your business degree from a top 15 (yawn) university say to do in those circumstances? Nickel and dime their approach?

To build something better(affordable)



#56 Fat Boy

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 16:05

OK. Let it be just 100 MPH. So what? I repeat once more - In this thread i do not ask people to give me advises on business(it is a next step), here i ask people to help me with technical part. If i cant run 8 hours, i will design a special series(for example) and will test another ideas. But it is a next step.....About superkarts: it is a good idea but not attractive for customers so it is not a proper solution.

 

Guy...You're so far off the deep end that there is no possible way we can help you. I posted the Malibu Grand Prix commercial to make fun of you, but the honest truth is that even _that_ costs more money than what you're talking about.



#57 kikiturbo2

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Posted 14 May 2015 - 06:36

So 72 GBP per hour. Lets assume 80 GBP considering the profit as 8 GBP. It is 60% more than my assumption. Why not to decrease the scale of a car by 40%. We will get a midget car and still fun ( http://www.knfilters...ylor-ferns1.jpg ) . So i am still positive about my idea. Also Fat Boy wrote that you assumptions are about F3, not about the amateur driving

 

You missed my point about missing track fees, etc... :)

 

Fat Boy.. :up:



#58 racingforeveryone

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Posted 17 May 2015 - 20:41

You missed my point about missing track fees, etc... :)

 

Fat Boy.. :up:

 

Track is a problem. I think it is possible to offer them a share rather than fixed amount per day. If i am not mistaken not all Europe tracks are full 24/7 (crisis as in hockenheim, monza, not even talking about smaller tracks) so the track owners will be happy, i guess.


Edited by racingforeveryone, 17 May 2015 - 20:41.


#59 Fat Boy

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Posted 18 May 2015 - 15:58

Just swimming that Egyptian river...