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#1 garyfrogeye

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 23:10

I was helping my wife clear out some of her mother's belongings on the weekend and came across this postcard, which was sent to her postmarked Dover, Kent 15th Sep 1983 the only markings on the back are "V by Valentine Printers & Publishers Dundee & London"  with the code "XT-120" on the bottom.

 

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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 02:47

What a lovely scene!

Would that motor racing was still like that today...

#3 PCC

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 03:29

What a lovely scene!

Would that motor racing was still like that today...

And one of the sponsors is "Ilford Films". Would that photography was still like that today...



#4 Sharman

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 06:56

I went to Killarney near Cape Town last year. And it was still like that Ray! My son who was with me said this is marvellous, and I tried to explain that circuits were always free and easy without restrictions except for the obvious safety precautions.

It took me back to Silverstone or Oulton in the 50s and 60s.



#5 DouglasM

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 07:22

To me, it looks like Brands Hatch into Clearways from Bottom Bend (or whatever it's called now). I'll leave it to the experts to identify date, cars and drivers!



#6 Stephen W

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 08:10

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Two more Brands Hatch postcards - both from the "Salmon Series - Copyright"



#7 kayemod

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 11:05

Is that Roy Pike with a narrow lead in the last one?



#8 opplock

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 13:13

It looks like a slowing down lap. Marshals are standing in front of the straw bales, one of them waving. The first two drivers are looking at the marshals rather than down the track. One of those behind appears to be looking at spectators.



#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 13:37

Is the sporties pic the start of the Guards Trophy?

It look colourised to me, Surtees with a yellow helmet, the colour of Hill's car...

#10 Tim Murray

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 14:05

The numbers match the 1965 Guards Trophy:

http://www.wsrp.cz/bscc1965.html#8

#11 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 14:31

Is the sporties pic the start of the Guards Trophy?

It look colourised to me, Surtees with a yellow helmet, the colour of Hill's car...

1960s Salmon postcards were always rather lurid and often look 'enhanced'. Some of it has certainly been retouched, but most of the background colours look natural - except for the person in bright yellow on the extreme right and the lettering on the Dunlop bridge. The scans are also about 50% larger than the originals would have been, which - especially in Steve's second one - shows up the rather 'micro-corrugated' effect of the laminate they used. They were actually kind of rough to the touch.



#12 Alan Cox

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 15:09

Here is another one of the Salmon postcards from the 1965 Guards Trophy that I remember well, and still have somewhere tucked away. http://www.ebay.ie/i...h-/160618475067



#13 Roger Clark

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 15:41

The sports car start is heat 1 of the Guards Trophy.  Hill ran into trouble and started heat 2 at the back of the grid.  Towards the back you can see a car emitting a vast amount of smoke (wheelspin?)  It could be Jim Clark giving the Lotus 40 its first race.  By the end of the day he probably thought that Chapman had made far more than 10 extra mistakes.



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Posted 08 April 2015 - 19:20

The card with the single seaters is almost certainly taken at the same 1965 Guards Trophy meeting - British Eagle Trophy for F2 & F3 cars. The blue, white red car would be a Charles Lucas Brabham. I can't make out the number - 70 something - so would be Courage, Jonathan Williams or Gethin. Alongside , I think, is John Cardwell in the Ron Harris - Team Lotus entry. The size of the crowd at Druids suggests a major meeting.

 

I have to say the colours remind me a bit of period recipe books which always had an array of foodstuffs in garishly unreal shades.


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Posted 08 April 2015 - 19:25

I have to say the colours remind me a bit of period recipe books which always had an array of foodstuffs in garishly unreal shades.

... or even a Berni Inns menu?



#16 Alan Cox

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 09:38

The card with the single seaters is almost certainly taken at the same 1965 Guards Trophy meeting - British Eagle Trophy for F2 & F3 cars. The blue, white red car would be a Charles Lucas Brabham. I can't make out the number - 70 something - so would be Courage, Jonathan Williams or Gethin. Alongside , I think, is John Cardwell in the Ron Harris - Team Lotus entry. The size of the crowd at Druids suggests a major meeting.

Quite correct, Pete. It's Gethin in the Lucas Brabham alongside Cardwell, as you say, Can't read the numbers of the followers. http://www.formula2.net/F365_GB57.htm



#17 Stephen W

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:00

Is that Roy Pike with a narrow lead in the last one?

 

Harry Stiller



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Posted 13 April 2015 - 21:29

Going back to Gary's original picture, the little black car, no 22, is the mk1 DRW driven by Mike Wilds identified, apart from other features, by the cranked roll over hoop. I suspect it is after the late Spring rebuild in 1966 as the front wings barely cover the wheeltop, whereas prior to that they were more like those on the yellow device ahead of him. I believe it is mid to late 1966 because by the start of the 67 season Mike had changed to the new F1200 spec, with 1198cc Anglia/Cortina engines replacing the old 1172sv units, at which point the car had been  repainted white with a red stripe and nose band.

I cannot be more specific about the date, since, despite having a very large database of DRW entries and results I do not have a Brands entry for that summer with the number 22 for Mike, nor have I come across any mention in period MNews  or  Autosport. Perhaps Pete Stenning or Sterling, or A N Other on TNF might have something I have missed in their Brands programme archives. All DRW  entries more than welcome, Better twice than to miss any.

I have already had access to the postcard from another DRW-ist with vested interest who came across it in a shop in the 1980s.

 

Gary, if you are looking for a home for the postcard please contact me.

 

Looking at the track position I believe it is at the end of what we used to call Bottom Straight leading into Kidney Bend for access to the club circuit link to Clearways, but first doing the left hand South bank Bend, given near-legend status as the regular site of Jim Clark  and his Lotus Cortina on 3 wheels as he set the car up to go up the rise onto the full GP Circuit.  Halcyon days....

Roger Lund



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Posted 14 April 2015 - 09:43

I also have the postcard. I was tidying the loft and it and a few others fell out of a book.

 

This morning I discovered there is a discussion about it on Facebook.  Mike Wilds says car 22 is not him.



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#20 Alan Cox

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 17:41

Going back to Gary's original picture, the little black car, no 22, is the mk1 DRW driven by Mike Wilds identified, apart from other features, by the cranked roll over hoop.

 

Sadly not Mike Wilds, Roger. The card was posted on Facebook and Mike has come back with this reply: "Sadly not me... I think it is a Terrier which looked like the DRW I used to race in that 1172 series"



#21 Alan Cox

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 14:25

More news on the Clubmans/1172 photo from Facebook - Malcolm Smith has posted this: "Wow nice to see this picture I'm in the green 1000cc Mallock with the white nose the fifth car in the picture and leading the class"



#22 bradbury west

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 21:43

Alan, thanks for the corrective posts. It is always worth pitching an opinion to see what responses come, esp as I had been told that it was MW in the car. I was apprehensive as I had no direct link to the event or race no. Perhaps  Malcolm Smith has a programme or recalls the approx. date so we can check in Autosport.

 My suggestion that it was post rebuild was based on the photos pre rebuild, but with the o/s half door missing, although Terrier mk2s did have that too. The nose treatment is not like the shots of the mk2 Terriers which Brian Hart and Tony Youlten and ..... Reader drove. The small nose badge is interesting, and the driver's pose  seems too low set for the Terrier. The helmet colour and pattern made me sceptical as it is not like Mike's early lid..  If not a Terrier it could be an early Milmor, mk3, a type driven by R Serafini. There is a good shot of this car behind a mk2 Terrier, of  L Tosen on the George Phillips REVS Inst archive for Mallory in Oct 64. It also appears in Autosport on p 609 Oct 16 1964.

My file shots of the mk1 DRW, certainly of Mike's first event,  certainly stand close scrutiny against the Milmor....... My interest in the Mallory event was because the mk1 DRW featured in the 1172 race.

Anyway, when you are in a hole it is time to stop digging.

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 22:25

As yellow no. 18 hasn't been 'claimed' and appears to be a one off, I think it's safe to assume it's the un-identified car in my garage.....

 

Joking apart, it's rear trailing link locations are very widely spaced, and the mounting points are right in relation to the rest of the frame, there is a slope down from the dash to the front for the car at the base of the bonnet and high cockpit sides, so I'd be very interested to know what it is / was.

 

Is there an 1172 group on Facebook?

 

 

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Al


Edited by Mistron, 15 April 2015 - 22:40.


#24 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 00:43

I think your chassis is higher in the front and the one in the pic has the top wishbone pickup points at the top of a quite low section of chassis...

Don't you think?

#25 Mistron

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 08:31

Hi Ray, Yes, I think you are of course probably right, the yellow one is a bit narower at the front, but with such a flattened colour in the picture it's hard to know what shape the body has, and seeing where the wishbones connect is tricky. The wing stays are very different, but I doubt mine are the originals.

 

Being that it looks to be a one-off, I'm always interested anyway, so it would be great to identify it as it may be an other fellow competitior to track down who may recognise my chassis. 

 

Cheers,

 

Al



#26 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 12:15

I'm sure they're all a lot of fun...

A tremendous way to go racing, simple, light, quick, easy to drive.