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[BARHonda006]

Who was better last season. Both in questionable cars. KR or JB. I know who I put my money on. Why is it always about JB? Why is he always the easy target?

If Kimi didn't have two year contract He could have been in the same boat.

Edit.

It's so boring. Year in year out. JB is crap. He should have gone ages ago. Each time he proves you wrong. And I hope he does the same this year.

Not forgetting my favourite. "But he's not a top driver!"

Edited by BARHonda006, 10 April 2015 - 15:30.

[Force Ten]

Why is this suddenly about Kimi? He wasnt in F1 for two years that he means is less "used" in F1 and much closer to his peak than Jenson. 

I agree. Last year especially showed it.

 

Then again, if he was much closer to his peak last year then, overall does he simply suc... err overall his peak is rather low - or, gasp - has does his closenesds to his peak have something to do with the car performance?

Again, if Kimi 2014 is closer to his peak than Jenson then how shite do you think are Perez and Magnussen, both obviously younger than this hasbeen Jenson?

[CountDooku]

Who was better last season. Both in questionable cars. KR or JB. I know who I put my money on. Why is it always about JB? Why is he always the easy target?

If Kimi didn't have two year contract He could have been in the same boat.

Edit.

It's so boring. Year in year out. JB is crap. He should have gone ages ago. Each time he proves you wrong. And I hope he does the same this year.

Not forgetting my favourite. "But he's not a top driver!"

Not sure who this is addressed to? I for one didn't say he's not a top driver.

[PARAZAR]

No. He's one of the best on the grid. Make way for younger drivers? He was paired with younger drivers and outshone them. Kimi is older than Jenson and Alonso is less than a year younger than Jenson. So, should they also retire?

[Nicktendo86]

Didn't need to even open that article to know who wrote it, pathetic hack of a journalist. Button is being paid millions to do what he loves doing and still had plenty if speed in him, why the hell should he retire?

Daniel Johnston seems to have a vendetta against McLaren.

Edited by Nicktendo86, 10 April 2015 - 17:17.

[PayasYouRace]

Why is this suddenly about Kimi? He wasnt in F1 for two years that he means is less "used" in F1 and much closer to his peak than Jenson. 

 

I don't think drivers have an internal tank of talent that slowly gets used up race by race.

[CountDooku]

I don't think drivers have an internal tank of talent that slowly gets used up race by race.

Would be interesting if they did though! And it got replenished via FanBoost. Perhaps I should pitch this to Bernie...

[Jon83]

The Telegraph seldom gets anything right.

[BARHonda006]

Not sure who this is addressed to? I for one didn't say he's not a top driver.

Don't worry. It wasn't at anyone in particular. It was a generalisation on the awful lot of bollards that gets thrown up whenever JB is discussed.

[zanquis]

Funny how you call the Mac a dog. I would almost be willing to bet it will end the season as a contender for racewins. I think the car in basis is good but that they are knowingly holding back the engine power and will coMe with updates. Dont be suprised if the engine is only running at maybe 95% knowingly that they need the knowledge to not blow up all their engine allowance in the first few months. Even the top teams find a bit more now, Honda has more potential to grow then Ferrari and Renault.

[Jon83]

Funny how you call the Mac a dog. I would almost be willing to bet it will end the season as a contender for racewins. I think the car in basis is good but that they are knowingly holding back the engine power and will coMe with updates. Dont be suprised if the engine is only running at maybe 95% knowingly that they need the knowledge to not blow up all their engine allowance in the first few months. Even the top teams find a bit more now, Honda has more potential to grow then Ferrari and Renault.

 

Throw money away if you (almost) wish. 

[sopa]

Not forgetting my favourite. "But he's not a top driver!"

 

Depends, how loose the term of "top driver" is. If it is about top 3-4 on the grid, Button would probably lose out. But if widen it to top 6-8 drivers on the grid, Button will be in.

[KingTiger]

I saw an interesting article in the Telegraph which basically says Jense should have called it a day last year when it was clear that the team didn't really want him any more.

 

There's obviously a bit of Captain Hindsight going on and there's the not inconsiderable £8million salary involved, but would he have been better moving to WEC like MW did rather than facing an uncertain future at McLaren?

 

Given he was also going to be paired with one of the best drivers of this generation and he'd already  won a WDC, what more did he have to prove?

 

linky

 

The bolded part - why would he be better off moving to WEC?

[redreni]

I voted "yes - there are other things he could do" but I should clarify, I didn't regard it as retirement when Webber moved to WEC and I wouldn't if Button did so. Retirement for a racing driver is when you stop racing cars for a living and put your feet up; Button could do that if he wanted, but he's certainly still good enough to ensure that he doesn't need to. 

[Mat13]

Nope. Who would they have replaced him with? Magnussen... Who they dropped in favour of Button (Alonso was a dead cert). I get the impression this thread is a vent for the people who can't moan about Button in the versus one, because Alonso hasn't finished a race yet.

[Lights]

He wants to race, McLaren ultimately wanted to keep him, based on the fact that they kept him. So why wouldn't he race? He can race for another 4-5 years if he wants to. He's class. This is simply a dumb thread because it could be made for other drivers, yet it's always Button who gets selected.

[Jejking]

This qualifying session confirmed it for me: nope.

[CountDooku]

This qualifying session confirmed it for me: nope.

And after today??

[Force Ten]

And after today??

Fighting for several laps with a car several secons faster and more than 100 horsepower up and managing to overtaking him??

 

Yes! I can do two questionmarks too.

[ButtonForEver]

And after today??

 

For one error in 10 years, yes, of course, a driver must retired for this..

[Lights]

And after today??

 

nope

[BRK]

Heh. No.

[30ft penguin]

He's still one of the top guys. Maybe not one of the championship contenders, but definitely top ten (or even top 5) material and worthy of a seat. Plus, he's one of the few F1 drivers I'd like to have a beer with, so he's worthy of a seat anyway :-)

[Grundle]

No, the car was still drivable.

[PARAZAR]

Nope. He provided some of the best entertainment today.

[swerved]

And after today??

 

Still No.

[BARHonda006]

And after today??

Just what has this guy done to you? Been on your screen too long?

[Fatgadget]

I said IF because some odd people don't think he is.

He is top 6.

I don't think he was that desperate.

Could have had Magnussen cheaper still.

I haven't seen any indication that indicates he is the No.2 driver.

Haters gonna hate.

Perhaps you can go ahead and explain why 2 employees with the exact same job description..Why one is being remunerated 3 X as much as the  other ? And also that much procrastination who of the then incumbent employees would be elbowed out to make way for employee being paid 3X as much wedge?  

Edited by Fatgadget, 12 April 2015 - 13:58.

[jimmonson]

Nope. He provided some of the best entertainment today.

 

 Totally agree on this PARAZAR , Jenson putting up a fight in the crippled McLaren actually cheered me up , (shame  the collision with Pastor put him out ) they were both racing to fine limits and out of the points but at least Jenson was enjoying actually racing . I think Jenson is due some slack over one uncharacteristic mistake for all the clean moves he makes on track .

Edited by jimmonson, 12 April 2015 - 14:08.

[trogggy]

Perhaps you can go ahead and explain why 2 employees with the exact same job description..Why one is being remunerated 3 X as much as the  other ? And also that much procrastination who of the then incumbent employees would be elbowed out to make way for employee being paid 3X as much wedge?  

Because they think one's better?

 

Because one is generally rated higher than the other, and is perceived by many to be the best of his generation?

 

Market forces?

 

One wanted to drive for McLaren, the other had been a target for years?

 

Because one had a ps3 as a kid and the other had to make do with a gamecube?

 

Take yer pick.

 

I guess by your criterion he was number 2 to Hamilton too - and Villeneuve for that matter... didn't seem to do him much harm, did it?

Edited by trogggy, 12 April 2015 - 14:30.