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[Graveltrappen]

Some new statistics up for grabs this weekend:

Hamilton joins Fangio, Senna and Schumacher as the only drivers to score 5 or more poles at any one track.

Vettel is also one win off Sennas race wins total which seems to be a bit of a yardstick these days for drivers.

Hulkenberg is only 21 points away from having the most points without a win

[sopa]

Hulkenberg is only 21 points away from having the most points without a win

 

Considering the point system these days...

 

I think a more critical stat could be that at this rate Hulkenberg may be fast catching his countryman Adrian Sutil in... having most starts without a podium!

[Graveltrappen]

He's got another 50 races to go before he topples that one

[Collombin]

Does the thread title mean "beware of statistics"?

If so, I agree. I want a Context Corner.

[sennafan24]

 I want a Context Corner.

I second this 

[BRG]

Hulkenberg is only 21 points away from having the most points without a win

 

Hulkenberg may be fast catching his countryman Adrian Sutil in... having most starts without a podium!

I'm rooting for the Hulk...go on, Nico, you can do it!!  

[Atreiu]

Even if Hamilton poles another ten in a row, he won't tie Senna for poles or front row starts.

 

If Vettel poled the next 19, he'd tie Senna for front rows but fall one short for poles.

 

But they can both beat him easily for wins and podiums by their 161st starts. Damn late 80s and early 90s unreliability. 

Edited by Atreiu, 12 April 2015 - 00:50.

[Mart280]

At least Hulk has a pole position to his name, would like to see him in a half decent car again though.

[sopa]

As for wins and especially poles, it is clear that both Hamilton and Vettel will end their careers with pretty impressive numbers. They are already now in top 5 in both statistics.

 

Obviously when Vettel was doing the winning in Red Bull, already questions arose whether he could catch Schumacher's records, but it looks like his going has got a bit stuck and he will add to his tally at a much slower rate than before. Now it is Hamilton's turn to increase his stats numbers basically at the rate with which Vettel did in the previous regulations era. But for how long will it last?

 

It is safe to say that Schumacher 91 wins is out of reach, but Schumi's 68 poles and Prost's 51 wins are under threat.

PP:   SCH - 68, SEN - 65, VET - 45, HAM - 41.
Wins: SCH - 91, PRO - 51, SEN - 41, VET - 40, HAM - 34.

Can Hamilton become the must successful driver of all times in terms of pole positions? Vettel's pole rate has somewhat stalled for now, but it is not ruled out even for him to get near the two legends provided he gets excellent cars in the future again.

[Atreiu]

Here's a thing.

 

I created a superstat. Podiums plus front rows plus fastest laps divided by GPs started. These are three significant accomplishments which are easy to find and also allow great pilots to figure without the fastest car. And they also allow unreliability to be somewhat diluted.

 

There are 6 pilots between 1,010 and 1,170, JYS, LH, SV, AS, AP and MS. Which equates to little over 1 (of these) significant accomplishment for each start. And we all agree they are among the greats, we simply do not agree on who is greater than who, which is entirely normal and acceptable. Which incidently validates the 1,000 cutline.

 

And there are two drivers so far ahead of the curve it is entirely uncanny, Jim Clark with 1,500 and Fangio with 2,078.

 

I might have to re-evaluate my opinion on JC and JMF.

 

Waddaya think????

Edited by Atreiu, 12 April 2015 - 00:52.

[SylvesterDiResta]

Some new statistics up for grabs this weekend:

Hamilton joins Fangio, Senna and Schumacher as the only drivers to score 5 or more poles at any one track.
 

 

Managed to find a list of poles for Hamilton and Vettel to see how close they both were to getting 5 poles at other tracks (I figured Vettel had to be close)

 

If I've got the numbers right, there is the chance this season that Hamilton could get '5 or more' at Hungary, Monza and Singapore. For Vettel, he could score '5' at Suzuka. That's the only track he currently has four poles on at the moment, but to be fair to him places like Valencia and India where he already had three poles no longer exist on the calendar so that's some of his hard work 'out the window' as it were, at least on this stat front!

[BoschKurve]

Here's a thing.

 

I created a superstat. Podiums plus front rows plus fastest laps divided by GPs started. These are three significant accomplishments which are easy to find and also allow great pilots to figure without the fastest car. And they also allow unreliability to be somewhat diluted.

 

There are 6 pilots between 1,010 and 1,170, JYS, LH, SV, AS, AP and MS. Which equates to little over 1 (of these) significant accomplishment for each start. And we all agree they are among the greats, we simply do not agree on who is greater than who, which is entirely normal and acceptable. Which validates the 1,000 cutline.

 

And there are two drivers so far ahead of the curve it is entirely uncanny, Jim Clark with 1,500 and Fangio with 2,078.

 

I might have to re-evaluate my opinion on JC and JMF.

 

Waddaya think????

 

Would certainly support the arguments for Fangio and Jimmy being the greatest grand prix drivers in history, which I certainly believe in pretty strongly. 

 

Only thing is, is fastest lap really that big of an indicator of anything since while fun to have, I've always felt it was somewhat a meaningless stat because one never knows the circumstances involved with them. 

[Atreiu]

I agree.

But it fit perfectly for not being qualifying and still not demanding perfect reliability to be scored.

And it helps the numbers round up and define the 1,000 cutline. 

[OvDrone]

Would certainly support the arguments for Fangio and Jimmy being the greatest grand prix drivers in history, which I certainly believe in pretty strongly.

 

This. I really think that those two dudes are the real GOATs.

 

Other than that, I for one feel privileged to be a part of this Alonso/Hamilton/Vettel era. It's the real deal.

[Pimpwerx]

It isn't fair to give GOAT status to a star from when the sport is in it's infancy. Just look at most sports. It's always gotta come from the modern era, when the sport gets organized and competition becomes more consistent. That's just my opinion. PEACE.

[Collombin]

What other sports? I can't think of any where the GOAT is an active competitor. And nobody has mentioned anyone from the sport's infancy anyway. PEACE.

[Graveltrappen]

For the first time ever, the same 3 drivers have been on the podium for the first 3 races...

[TheFish]

What other sports? I can't think of any where the GOAT is an active competitor. And nobody has mentioned anyone from the sport's infancy anyway. PEACE.

 

Federer.

[Option1]

What other sports? I can't think of any where the GOAT is an active competitor. And nobody has mentioned anyone from the sport's infancy anyway. PEACE.

Vale (or maybe in time, Marquez).

 

Neil

[Newbrray]

What other sports? I can't think of any where the GOAT is an active competitor. And nobody has mentioned anyone from the sport's infancy anyway. PEACE.

 

Serena Williams 

[Zava]

most interesting stat from the chinese GP: it was the first time Vettel wore a helmet in which he previously won a race.

[BoschKurve]

I agree.

But it fit perfectly for not being qualifying and still not demanding perfect reliability to be scored.

And it helps the numbers round up and define the 1,000 cutline. 

 

Absolutely, it's definitely better than nothing!