When I read about the hard feelings between Rosberg and Hamilton, I can't help thinking of other teammates with bad relations in the past, like these two;
See how happy and excited Gilles is with Pironi's win, does anyone have other examples?
Posted 19 April 2015 - 08:30
When I read about the hard feelings between Rosberg and Hamilton, I can't help thinking of other teammates with bad relations in the past, like these two;
See how happy and excited Gilles is with Pironi's win, does anyone have other examples?
Posted 19 April 2015 - 08:43
Jones/Reutemann. Not happy bunnies.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 08:43
Out of the top of my head.
Lauda vs Reutemann.
Jones vs Reutemann.
Prost vs Arnoux.
Prost vs Senna (obviously)
Piquet vs Mansell
Andretti vs Mansell (Indycar)
EDIT:
Anyone and Mansell. Including Nemo1965.
Edited by Nemo1965, 19 April 2015 - 08:43.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 08:58
Clearly Nigel could be the very trickiest of characters but I think he and Rosberg got on ok (despite Rosberg very, very unsure early on).Out of the top of my head.
Lauda vs Reutemann.
Jones vs Reutemann.
Prost vs Arnoux.
Prost vs Senna (obviously)
Piquet vs Mansell
Andretti vs Mansell (Indycar)
EDIT:
Anyone and Mansell. Including Nemo1965.
Edited by blackmme, 19 April 2015 - 09:00.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:04
Jones/Reutemann. Not happy bunnies.
Like when Carlos asked to bury the hatchet, Jones replied; "Yer, in you back mate!"
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:24
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:24
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:30
Clearly Nigel could be the very trickiest of characters but I think he and Rosberg got on ok (despite Rosberg very, very unsure early on).
He seemed to get on ok with Patrese and also De Angelis. I remember him speaking very movingly at the Brands Hatch tire test drivers forum about De Angelis (it was I think a couple of weeks after he was killed).
Prost and Arnoux, no love lost there at all for all sorts of interesting reasons!
To add to the list:
I don't think Andretti liked Reutemann either!
Regards Mike
I think that Reutemann is the least undeserving winner of the 'worst teammate'-reputation. Lauda and him were mates already again in 1978, a year after their troublesome year together in 1977. Almost every driver - including Andretti - after their respective careers said that Carlos was just too silent, and not a bad person at all. He was extremely sensitive and emotional inside but hid this behind the mask of an imperturbable Indian. Not a good life's tactic.
Regarding Mansell: he was the nicest of persons until 1986/1987. After that he was his own Mr.Hyde. I can't remember ever seeing a driver that turned (in my eyes) from modest and friendly to insufferable arrogant ****.
Regarding Prost: a very nice person, but a scoundrel. And a politician. Also an unhappy combination. People can forgive machiavellism of a team-mate (see how Berger interpretes Senna screwing him over) or a team-mate with a wicked sense of humour. But not at the same time.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:34
I'm sorry... but it hindsight this was really enjoyable!
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:34
Statistically, Hamilton/Alonso were the worst team-mates ever. In that they managed to finagle both each other and their team out of the world titles that two of them deserved...
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:34
Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:48
Someone said that these two were eachothers' only friends, most other drivers hated both of then;
Posted 19 April 2015 - 10:15
Statistically, Hamilton/Alonso were the worst team-mates ever. In that they managed to finagle both each other and their team out of the world titles that two of them deserved...
This. McLaren had the title in the bag back in 2007. Though it's debateble which of the two McLaren should have backed.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 10:56
If you include team management:
Fangio vs Ferrari
Phil Hill & co vs Ferrari
Innes Ireland vs Lotus
John Surtees vs Ferrari & BRM
Jochen Rindt vs Lotus
Jacky Ickx vs Ferrari
Nigel Mansell vs Lotus
Nigel Mansell vs Williams
Alain Prost vs Ferrari
Mark Webber vs Red Bull
...
and more recently, van der Garde vs Sauber
Posted 19 April 2015 - 11:27
and more recently, van der Garde vs Sauber
I don't agree, because that relationship did not 'sour' by the working together, it was broken off for financial reasons only. That Kaltenborn subsequently suffered from cognitive dissonance reduction, that is a different matter.
Any driver vs Ferrari is the most interesting topic from the angle: 'Worst relationships'.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 12:06
http://f1pulse.com/n...macher-an-idiot
Although not worst team"mates" ever, i thought these two deserved mentioning.
Lol at Eddie's face here...
Posted 19 April 2015 - 12:11
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Posted 19 April 2015 - 12:27
no tom webber was slowed by the biggest cheaters in f1 not Ferrari red bull ****
Posted 19 April 2015 - 12:53
http://f1pulse.com/n...macher-an-idiot
Although not worst team"mates" ever, i thought these two deserved mentioning.
Lol at Eddie's face here...
I think the team-mate Schumacher got along with the worst was probably Herbert... wasn't Herbert hugely bitter that he wasn't allowed to look at Schumacher's telemetry but not the other way around?
Anyway I thought this thread was going to be about the worst duo of paydriver team-mates. I went straight to Wikipedia to confirm Lavaggi and Deletraz had drove together for Pacific, but apparently not, they only replaced each-other. That would've been an epic duo.
Edited by noikeee, 19 April 2015 - 12:53.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 13:02
Alonso-Hamilton in 2007. They failed to win a championship with the best car on the grid.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 13:04
Senna and Derek Warwick, Senna was already pissed off and the guy hadn't even joined yet
Posted 19 April 2015 - 13:06
Senna v Prost
Posted 19 April 2015 - 13:14
I read somewhere that Prost slept with Arnouxs wife/girlfriend.
Don't know if it's true but if it was, that would be a major cause for a bad relationship to say the least.
Posted 19 April 2015 - 13:46
So I know the OP was probably talking about F1, but here's two team mates having a bit of biffo:
Posted 19 April 2015 - 13:48
Alonso-Hamilton in 2007. They failed to win a championship with the best car on the grid.
Ferrari was equal, even better in some races...
Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:26
Ericsson v Bird (GP2).
Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:41
Whenever I saw Alonso v Raikonnen together at an event/in the media etc last year it made me cringe.... I think they couldn't stand each other.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:46
Arnoux v Prost.......Prost was Renault's favoured driver in 82...Arnoux even disobeying team orders to allow Prost to win the French GP, so Renault dropped him & he went to Ferrari.
30 years on, it is Arnoux who represents Renault at events like Festival of Speed, not Prost....so obviously the hatchet has been well & truly buried....
Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:53
Jones and Reutemann was pretty bad, but I could almost see Carlos point of view there. Jones was about as hard nosed as it gets.
But Webber and Vettel really were not keen.
Mansell did not really get on with anyone other than perhaps Elio at Lotus? Certainly he had his moments with Patrese, Piquet hated him and for good reason, as did Prost, Berger was not a fan either. Maybe only Rosberg, as Keke was usually quicker until Nigel worked out what was going on and knew he was staying in 86 and Keke was going.
Pironi Villeneuve was totally Pironi's fault. Glles was a naieve and innocent man, spent 79 following orders for Jody and could have won the title himself were it not agreed. Pironi continually ignored team orders at Imola and Gilles felt spited, so sad.
Herbert and Schumacher were not that keen on each other, and I can't imagine the atmosphere at Jordan was great after Spa when Damon was told he was getting a win that was rightly Ralf's.
For me, guys like Berger, Irvine, Rubens accepted their situation and knew they would have odd days in the sun. So maybe they were a little hissy, but nothing like some of the above!
Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:53
You mean Alain Prost? The Brand Ambassador for Renault since 2012?
Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:54
Alonso-Hamilton in 2007. They failed to win a championship with the best car on the grid.
Not again...
Posted 20 April 2015 - 12:02
It has to be Jones v Reutemann for me too. Jones was Williams, and once he double crossed Alan, the team we never going to bend over backwards for him. Carlos never quite seemed to fit in anywhere he went and had the knack of being at the wrong team at the just the wrong time, though if he had of stayed at Williams for the whole of '82 he could of retired Champion.
Alonso is a modern day Carlos, in the sense that he also made team choices that seemed a good choice at the time. Harmonious is not a word which springs to mind wherever Fernando goes, though unlike Carlos, he bagged a coupe of WDC's earlier in his F1 career.
As regards to Mansell, despite a frosty start, he got on very well with Keke and had a very good relationship with Patrese. Mansell didn't gel well with political drivers such as Prost and Piquet, though I think Nigel learnt from their off track manoeuvres.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 12:31
I do not think Nico and Lewis belongs in this conversation at all, yes they had had a little on track stuff, yes they have said a few stupid things after races. But it is Lewis and his strangely insecure personality (considering his prodigious racing talent) against Nico who deep down in his hearts of hearts know a) He is not as good as Lewis, b) Last, this and possibly next year will be his one chance to become WDC.
Every time the dust settles they are back to calm, relatively civilized behavior towards each other. Vettel and Webber I see more or less as the same thing.
For most the hatchet will be buried eventually, Piquet and Mansell seriously disliked each other, Pironi and Villeneuve was a slow motion train wreck which only really happened in 1982.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 12:42
Ferrari was equal, even better in some races...
Including reliability and average performance throughout the year, McLaren was the car to have in 2007. Ferrari had more mechanical failures and worse slumps in performance, like in Canada. McLaren had better overall package even if Ferrari was quicker in many races.
Edited by Anderis, 20 April 2015 - 12:43.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 12:59
Clearly Nigel could be the very trickiest of characters but I think he and Rosberg got on ok (despite Rosberg very, very unsure early on).
He seemed to get on ok with Patrese and also De Angelis. I remember him speaking very movingly at the Brands Hatch tire test drivers forum about De Angelis (it was I think a couple of weeks after he was killed).
I remember reading - in Mansell's autobiography I think admittedly - that there was some friction between himself and de Angelis based around what Mansell percieved as differing treatment from Lotus - Elio was the senior driver those four years, with a couple years more experience and already at the team when Mansell arrived. Then in 1985 when Mansell moved on and a certain A. Senna landed at the team and he was like "see what I mean now?" and then they got on better after that. I'd be interested if some more impartial sources confirm that though.
Every time the dust settles they are back to calm, relatively civilized behavior towards each other. Vettel and Webber I see more or less as the same thing.
For most the hatchet will be buried eventually, Piquet and Mansell seriously disliked each other, Pironi and Villeneuve was a slow motion train wreck which only really happened in 1982.
Yeah I think most instances are all about the heat of competition in equal equipment rather than any serious personal feelings. Even Prost and Senna seemed to bury the hatchet somewhat after Prost retired - obviously we didn't get the chance to see how long that would actually last though.
Piquet and Mansell don't exactly seem to be ready to rip each others heads off here, although after 25 years you would kind of hope so
Posted 20 April 2015 - 13:10
Rossi and Lorenzo during the 2009 season.
Did Biaggi ever be friends with a teammate?
Posted 20 April 2015 - 13:28
Bike guys are probably the worst!
Read and Ivy, read mugged him for the title years ago.
Baz and Sykes last year was pretty bad.
Rainey and Schwantz were never team-mates apart from at teh Transatlantic where despite being on the same US team they banged into each other for ages!
Chili and Fogarty in 97?
Edwards and Slight in 2000?
Hislop and Mackenzie in BSB in 98, rammed each other!
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Posted 20 April 2015 - 13:56
I read somewhere that Prost slept with Arnouxs wife/girlfriend.
Don't know if it's true but if it was, that would be a major cause for a bad relationship to say the least.
I believe the story is that Prost slept with Gerard Laroussa's wife, Zandvoort 1983... And that Larousse caught them in the act.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 14:09
I believe the story is that Prost slept with Gerard Laroussa's wife, Zandvoort 1983... And that Larousse caught them in the act.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 15:23
Bike guys are probably the worst!
Read and Ivy, read mugged him for the title years ago.
Wasn't it fairly one-sided though? I got the impression that Ivy was just an innocent victim.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 17:17
I'm sorry... but it hindsight this was really enjoyable!
Heh, what hindsight?? It was hilarious there and then. I laughed my axx off, and if anything, it was enjoyable. One Dennis' more spectacular failures too, and typical of both of his drivers.
Webber was slow as anything, no true battle at all, doesn't deserve a mention for me.
That's just plain wrong. Webber's downfall was Newey and the farted diffs. He could never adapt. In 2010 he very nearly became a WDC. From then on, came the more and more extreme "don't you dare touch the the frigging throttle pedal during cornering" engine maps, and MW and some other drivers too, were done. He could never adapt.
I think the team-mate Schumacher got along with the worst was probably Herbert... wasn't Herbert hugely bitter that he wasn't allowed to look at Schumacher's telemetry but not the other way around?
Anyway I thought this thread was going to be about the worst duo of paydriver team-mates. I went straight to Wikipedia to confirm Lavaggi and Deletraz had drove together for Pacific, but apparently not, they only replaced each-other. That would've been an epic duo.
No, not exactly. It's a hyped story - though partly true - and about the only thing JH can show against his ex-teammate. Apart from that, I think they got on relatively well.
Senna v Prost
Yeah, by far the worst for me, and besides, the dumbest idea as a driver pairing ever.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 17:40
Arnoux v Prost.......Prost was Renault's favoured driver in 82...Arnoux even disobeying team orders to allow Prost to win the French GP, so Renault dropped him & he went to Ferrari.
30 years on, it is Arnoux who represents Renault at events like Festival of Speed, not Prost....so obviously the hatchet has been well & truly buried....
Prost said in 1983; "I sometimes think that Rene's helmet is purely cosmetical."
Posted 20 April 2015 - 18:20
Ivy was an innocent victim yes, Read totally took the rug from under him and nicked a championship that was for a long time promosed to Bill. One of the reason why Read is rather unpopular amongst Brits, a tad unfair considering his achievements!
Lorenzo and Rossi was pretty bad actually, far worse than people thought, how times change eh!
As for Prost/Senna, it was Prosts idea, Dennis thought there was no way Alain would go for it. And were it not for that era we would have been denied possibly the greatest duel between two drivers the world has ever seen and possibly will ever see. They owned the race track at the time, and the entire sport revolved around them. Even guys lke Mansell and Piquet were bystanders.
It's just a shame that Aryton is not able to reflect on it now in the way Alain can.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 18:51
Bike guys are probably the worst!
Read and Ivy, read mugged him for the title years ago.
Baz and Sykes last year was pretty bad.
Rainey and Schwantz were never team-mates apart from at teh Transatlantic where despite being on the same US team they banged into each other for ages!
Chili and Fogarty in 97?
Edwards and Slight in 2000?
Hislop and Mackenzie in BSB in 98, rammed each other!
And then there's Armstrong and Contador.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 18:55
I believe the story is that Prost slept with Gerard Laroussa's wife, Zandvoort 1983... And that Larousse caught them in the act.
Ah, thanks for the info.
Wow, what a thing. Just imagine the media frenzy if that were to happen today.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 19:25
It explains why Prost made an extremely rare error in the race with a divebomb on Piquet, when the race was for the taking. And why Renault were never wholly committed to supporting Prost for the remainder of the season - even refusing to appeal the Brabham jungle juice that was very illegal.
Although Prost's brilliance can be seen by Cheever's performance. It's hard to believe, but in 1983 he was very much a coming man. He had just marmelized Lafitte at Ligier - the same Lafitte who came oh so close to winning the 1981 title - and his record at Tyrrell in 1981 compared to Alboreto was in a different universe. Yet at Renault Prost was seconds clear per lap in pretty much every race.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 19:36
It explains why Prost made an extremely rare error in the race with a divebomb on Piquet, when the race was for the taking. And why Renault were never wholly committed to supporting Prost for the remainder of the season - even refusing to appeal the Brabham jungle juice that was very illegal.
Although Prost's brilliance can be seen by Cheever's performance. It's hard to believe, but in 1983 he was very much a coming man. He had just marmelized Lafitte at Ligier - the same Lafitte who came oh so close to winning the 1981 title - and his record at Tyrrell in 1981 compared to Alboreto was in a different universe. Yet at Renault Prost was seconds clear per lap in pretty much every race.
What a fascinating story, had no idea.
Posted 20 April 2015 - 21:56
As for Prost/Senna, it was Prosts idea, Dennis thought there was no way Alain would go for it. And were it not for that era we would have been denied possibly the greatest duel between two drivers the world has ever seen and possibly will ever see. They owned the race track at the time, and the entire sport revolved around them. Even guys lke Mansell and Piquet were bystanders.