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Worst, and by worst I mean slowest or crash-happiest, team-mates ever?


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#101 Rob

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 22:08

Didn't Rosset finish runner-up to Sospiri in F3000? Presumably there was something exceptionally poor about the quality of the field that allowed that to happen. Then again, Piquet Jr. was a challenger to Hamilton in GP2 but one of the worst F1 drivers since the turn of the millenium.

 

The field was possibly a little below average, but not dreadfully so. Marc Goossens, Kenny Brack and Allan McNish weren't exactly slowcoaches.



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#102 noikeee

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 22:15

I'm not terribly knowledgable on F3000 but I do know it wasn't a spec series like GP2 these days - I think getting onto the right machinery flattered a lot of drivers there...


Edited by noikeee, 28 April 2015 - 22:15.


#103 Rob

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 22:33

I'm not terribly knowledgable on F3000 but I do know it wasn't a spec series like GP2 these days - I think getting onto the right machinery flattered a lot of drivers there...

 

There wasn't really a bad combination of machinery - there were two chassis and two engines, and they all won races that year.


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#104 BRK

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 05:47

Yuji Ide was a lot of fun!



#105 Henri Greuter

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 07:24

Not an F1 combo but one in CART that springs to mind:

 

Paul Tracy and Dario Franchitti together at Team Green racing during the Kool years.

 

 

Henri



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Posted 29 April 2015 - 09:00

While I can't recall her team-mates, Milka Duno's time in Indycar is surely enough on her own to negate any of their acheivments and warrant inclusion in this thread



#107 FerrariV12

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 09:37

If we're going IndyCar I think the current pairing of Francesco Dracone and Rodolfo Gonzalez probably trumps most (I take the point about Duno being so bad as to bring the average down though). In recent years Coyne have tended to have one top driver effectively bankrolled by a lesser but well funded teammate, Wilson, Bourdais, Junqueira, da Matta, but that appears to have gone out the window this year.


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#108 jjcale

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 11:47

The thing with Pastor is even his GP win was an accident!

 

 

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#109 noikeee

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 11:50

Not an F1 combo but one in CART that springs to mind:

 

Paul Tracy and Dario Franchitti together at Team Green racing during the Kool years.

 

 

Henri

 

Really??? I never followed CART closely but remember both being talented front-running drivers. This thread was meant to be about the Deletraz's and Ide's, not quite that level of driver...



#110 Jay101

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 12:47

My memorys sketchy now but I remember Michael Andretti as Senna`s team mate in a V8 powered MP4/8 in 1993..I chuckled my way through that season

In the end, the season was every bit as bad as the confusing numerology suggested. He took to the grid in his No.7 McLaren, in 13 races, did not finish in 7 of the 13, and of those DNF’s 6 of the 7 were collisions or spins. Some 1st lappers
He scored 7 points

Ahh...wasn't just me that found that season amusing then!!!

It was all the hype surrounding Andretti before the season started by pundits and jurnos that made me chuckle, generally being ear-marked as a future F1 champion, the hype slowly dying down towards seasons end as Senna finished the season with 73 points to Andretti's 7.

True Andretti didn't compete in the last 3 races as he and McLaren parted company early and McLaren decided to use their test driver instead "Mika Hakkinen" who scored 4 points within the final 3 races.


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#111 Music Lover

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 11:08

To be exact that win is more 1 point more than the 49 points in his whole career, also his wikipedia page uses the word crash 26 times more than Perez and Romain combined 11 each. So he has to be part of the crash happiest team mate ever topic.

Ahhh Perez, the guy that tried the inside of Kimi a few times in MonteCarlo GP 2013, with Kimi shouting on the radio. And finally pushed him out with a puncture.  :down:



#112 Taxi

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 11:23

Satoru Nakajima in the Lotus in the late 80s / early 90`s. Thats it...close the thread haha ;)

 

Sadly for his thread title hopes he was paired back then with Ayrton Senna and Nelson Piquet. 



#113 StraightEdge

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 11:34

Rosset for me.

 

I can look into other series mention John Wes Townley (NASCAR), Scott Mayer (3 IRL starts; crashed in all), and Jon Herb.

 

When it comes to talented wreckers Takuma Sato takes the spot. Fast but still wrecking even in Indycar.



#114 noikeee

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 11:43

Sadly for his thread title hopes he was paired back then with Ayrton Senna and Nelson Piquet. 

 

He did get to drive alongside Jean Alesi and Stefano Modena too. I rate Modena though (and Alesi was obviously pretty good too), so on that basis I disqualify him.



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 11:58

Ahhh Perez, the guy that tried the inside of Kimi a few times in MonteCarlo GP 2013, with Kimi shouting on the radio. And finally pushed him out with a puncture.  :down:


Considering what Kimi did to Sutil there, I don't think he could ride the moral high horse.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 11:59

Really??? I never followed CART closely but remember both being talented front-running drivers. This thread was meant to be about the Deletraz's and Ide's, not quite that level of driver...


OT: No, not really. I believe it was meant as a refererence to their 'combustible' relationship.

#117 ardbeg

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 19:47

Considering what Kimi did to Sutil there, I don't think he could ride the moral high horse.

Accidents rarely have a moral. You can not compare those incidents to begin with and adding "moral" to the equation is just silly.



#118 Myrvold

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 00:28

Sadly for his thread title hopes he was paired back then with Ayrton Senna and Nelson Piquet. 

Ye, it's quite a lot of these posts that lists the "worst teammate to have in terms of crash or speed". Not seeing the "s" in "team mates" ^^,



#119 Nikos Spagnol

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 17:03

Didn't Rosset finish runner-up to Sospiri in F3000? Presumably there was something exceptionally poor about the quality of the field that allowed that to happen. Then again, Piquet Jr. was a challenger to Hamilton in GP2 but one of the worst F1 drivers since the turn of the millenium.

 

F3000, Season 1995, Final Standings:

 

1. Vicenzo Sospiri

2. Ricardo Rosset

3. Kenny Brack

= Marc Gossens

5. Tarso Marques

= Emanuel Clérico

7. Alan McNish

 

http://en.wikipedia....ula_3000_season

 

I think Kenny Brack and Alan McNish were the best among these guys. But, from the 1995 F3000 class, only Rosset, Marques and McNish would actually race in Formula One. 



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#120 Nikos Spagnol

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 17:13

For comparision, this is the field for the 1991 F3000 season:

 

http://en.wikipedia....ula_3000_season

 

Christian Fittipaldi, Zanardi, Naspetti, Apicella (only one GP start), Gounon, Hill, Sospiri (one DNQ), Montermini, Wendlinger, Frentzen, McNish, David Brabham, Giovana Amati (3 DNQ), Michael Bartels (1 DNQ), Chiesa, Belmondo, Lavaggi, Barbazza and Deletraz would make it to F1 one way or another. That's 19 drivers, 16 of which actually started a Grand Prix.

 

However, there was much more room on the F1 grid for those guys than 4 years later. Still, we have one WDC (Hill), one CART Champion (Zanardi) and 2 GP winners (Hill and Frentzen) from this class.


Edited by Nikos Spagnol, 10 May 2015 - 17:14.


#121 kapow

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 22:07

Not been through the whole thread but surely Dale Coyne have had loads of bad team mate combinations?

#122 Otaku

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 22:36

1998 was my first full season of watching the F1 and I remember the old minardi and Tyrell pay driver smashes with great nostalgia. F1 in general seemed more 'crashey' back then in general however...

 

 

I was right there on that grandstand 2 meters away from the impact point. I still remember like it was today the very loud and deep sound the car made when it hit the wall. 



#123 Cornholio

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:32

Not been through the whole thread but surely Dale Coyne have had loads of bad team mate combinations?

 

He'll probably have had the odd gem down the years (2003 springs to mind), but without looking it up, chances are they'll have had less than you think as far as partnerships go. Going back to the mid 90s they've more often than not been able to pull off hiring an at least decent, and on occasion excellent driver for one of their cars. Moreno and Jourdain (unproven but ultimately race winner) in CART; Servia, da Matta and Junqueira in CCWS; Wilson and Bourdais in the re-unified series.