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#51 Sanzx81

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 10:50

I hope he stays for the next 3-4 seasons at least and I hope he gets another WDC or two.

I'm not a fan but a driver of his immense talent deserves more than 2 WDC.

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#52 jstrains

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 11:18

I don't think it is about number of WDCs. I do not consider Schumi's later or Vettel's numerous WDCs something special but achieved in a dominant car

#53 Nonesuch

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 11:42

To be honest.. Maybe it is time to hang it up... Like villeneuve, taking chances doesn't always work out the way you hope.. So is life.

Personally, seeing where the programme is at, how long it may take and his years in f1... Might be a good time to bow out gracefully and give the chance to a kid to race along side Jensen and learn..

 

I fully expect Alonso to be at McLaren giving it his best this year and the next, but the years are really starting to add up, aren't they?

 

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That's an excellent photograph. :up:

 

Unfortunately the only site I've found that even bothers to credit the photographer merely lists AP.



#54 alframsey

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 11:57

Whatever happens to the end of Alonsos career there is no doubt he achived far less than his talents would suggest he could. Could even be said his career was a waste of talent. And i have a similar feeling for Kimi.

I tend to agree with this; Alonso has been extremely unfortunate not to have picked up at least one more WDC, whether he will get the third he craves who knows? One thing is for certain though is that if he does retire with 'just' two championships it will be a great shame IMO.

As for Kimi, while I don't hold him in as high regard as Alonso or Lewis, he is definitely a better driver than a one time champion. His talents are greater than that.

#55 Music Lover

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 13:47

Both Alonso and Kimi deserves a new title but I doubt it will happen.
Lewis will get a third this year and likely also next due to the advantage Merc
have.
2017, both Ferarri and RB going to be strong I think so even if McL is fast it going to be difficult!

#56 Hollow

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 14:40

Unfinished business..yeah, maybe after his McLaren title one for Ferrari too, it has been a dream of his life for 5 years after all..

 

If you think about it...it was not in the stars. You can't fight against that, it was not to be. Plenty of great races though, everybody talks about titles but I watch races. I get entertainment, not trophies.



#57 Hollow

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 14:43

I fully expect Alonso to be at McLaren giving it his best this year and the next, but the years are really starting to add up, aren't they?

 

 

That's an excellent photograph. :up:

 

Unfortunately the only site I've found that even bothers to credit the photographer merely lists AP.

 

 

Yes it is. No idea who took it but lucky he was to catch that moment.



#58 SilverArrow31

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 15:07

He's on his way to the WEC. Not for a while yet though



#59 revmeister

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 15:19

Never mind about when he's gone, enjoy while he's here.



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#60 George Costanza

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 15:21

I don't think it is about number of WDCs. I do not consider Schumi's later or Vettel's numerous WDCs something special but achieved in a dominant car

This again? lol.



#61 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 15:26

Both Alonso and Kimi deserves a new title but I doubt it will happen.
Lewis will get a third this year and likely also next due to the advantage Merc
have.
2017, both Ferarri and RB going to be strong I think so even if McL is fast it going to be difficult!

Agreed. Both were unfortunately too often in a position where they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Alonso obviously a bit more than Raikkonen, but still.
 

If Alonso had chosen Red Bull for example instead of Renault back in 2008 (Red Bull made him an offer), he could have had as much as six titles right now.



#62 CoolBreeze

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 07:01

Alonso is just saying that Mcsplutter will be his last team in F1, just like how he said Ferrari will be his last team in F1 years ago. 



#63 kosmos

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 07:40

Alonso is just saying that Mcsplutter will be his last team in F1, just like how he said Ferrari will be his last team in F1 years ago.


Your point? :)

#64 Oho

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 07:44

Has Lewis got a contract yet?

 

Would it make any difference?



#65 Requiem84

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 09:07

How come an 'intelligent' man like Alonso has a talent to consistently make the wrong choices regarding his teams?

#66 Abranet

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 09:10

How come an 'intelligent' man like Alonso has a talent to consistently make the wrong choices regarding his teams?

 

Because irrespective of their intelligence no one has yet been proven to be able to predict the future, not even Alonso.



#67 Oho

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 09:17

Because irrespective of their intelligence no one has yet been proven to be able to predict the future, not even Alonso.

 

So much for the scientific process.....


Edited by Oho, 28 April 2015 - 03:44.


#68 aramos

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 09:18

How come an 'intelligent' man like Alonso has a talent to consistently make the wrong choices regarding his teams?

 

When you look at his teams, Renault/Enstone at their peak, McLaren, Ferrari. Hardly duds.



#69 Sestre

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 09:20

The endless Alonso-talks on the forums. 



#70 Raziel

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 11:22

I'm sure that he'll be @ McLaren 4 at least 3 years. After 2017 season, he'll sign contract extension for 1-2 more years.

#71 AustinF1

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 14:17

How come an 'intelligent' man like Alonso has a talent to consistently make the wrong choices regarding his teams?

SMH.



#72 Gorma

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 14:54

I'm sure that he'll be @ McLaren 4 at least 3 years. After 2017 season, he'll sign contract extension for 1-2 more years.

At some point Alonso will have to face the new breed of Alonsos, Hamiltons, Vettels and Kimis. After that I don't think Alonso will want to continue and no top team will want him anymore. 



#73 AustinF1

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 15:11

At some point Alonso will have to face the new breed of Alonsos, Hamiltons, Vettels and Kimis. After that I don't think Alonso will want to continue and no top team will want him anymore. 

Interesting. Does the same not apply to Hamilton, Vettel, and Kimi?



#74 frosty125

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 16:02

Hopefully he will stay at McLaren for 3 seasons, McLaren have 4 very good drivers.... So as a McLaren fan I'm not worried.



#75 Gorma

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 17:14

Interesting. Does the same not apply to Hamilton, Vettel, and Kimi?

Of course it does, but then again this isn't "Hamilton/Vettel/Kimi considering retirement" thread.



#76 aditya-now

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 17:40

Does he look like he's about to give up? A fierce stance yes and intelligence behind it, and he won't give up, not until he gets his 3rd with McLaren -he's got unfinished business.

 

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An excellent photograph, but too good to be true. It rather looks photoshopped.

 

Concerning Alonso's retirement: he will probably drive for McLaren in 2015/2016/2017 and then retire. He might get that elusive title in 2017. If he gets it already in 2016, he might get title #4 in 2017 - I don't think Fernando would retire after his third title but it is possible, as three titles is all he ever talked about over all these years.

 

3 WDCs like Senna might strangely be more to his liking than 4 WDCs like Vettel and Prost.



#77 AustinF1

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 17:50

An excellent photograph, but too good to be true. It rather looks photoshopped.

 

Concerning Alonso's retirement: he will probably drive for McLaren in 2015/2016/2017 and then retire. He might get that elusive title in 2017. If he gets it already in 2016, he might get title #4 in 2017 - I don't think Fernando would retire after his third title but it is possible, as three titles is all he ever talked about over all these years.

 

3 WDCs like Senna might strangely be more to his liking than 4 WDCs like Vettel and Prost.

Too good to be true from a photographic standpoint or from a situational standpoint? People take photos like this all the time. It's just less common to see the focus on something/someone in the background rather than the foreground. Fantastic shot, imho.



#78 aditya-now

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 18:50

Too good to be true from a photographic standpoint or from a situational standpoint? People take photos like this all the time. It's just less common to see the focus on something/someone in the background rather than the foreground. Fantastic shot, imho.

 

Fantastic shot, yes - if it were a shot. Yet there is nothing else in the background. A white wall? The three of them standing against a white wall? Alonso alone with no one left and right? It does not look like a situational snapshot - at least not Alonso and the white background. The two guys in the front, however, look like in one of their chats.

 

The lighting would be consistent. It's just a tiny pit too artificial for my feeling.



#79 igoru

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 20:14

Time to close this thread.



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#80 Nonesuch

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 21:10

Fantastic shot, yes - if it were a shot. Yet there is nothing else in the background. A white wall? The three of them standing against a white wall? Alonso alone with no one left and right? It does not look like a situational snapshot - at least not Alonso and the white background.

 

Who said anything about a wall? Look how low Alonso's head is compared to that of the Ferrari drivers; the shot was made by someone who was probably on his knees and pointing upwards.

 

You don't need to be a master photographer to turn the following scene into the above photo.

 

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 23:31

I would imagine that Alonso will drive as long as he can in order to get a much deserved 3rd championship.



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Posted 28 April 2015 - 01:15

If you offered any young kid a chance for a career with big dollars, great racing memories and two WDC, they would give up a kidney for that.

 

As such, I don't think he has "wasted his talent" but I suspect even he thought he would be at 3/4 by now.

 

But I suspect Kimi thought he would have 2, Lewis probably didn't think it would take so long to get number 2, etc etc. The cards rarely favour every player in a game.



#83 aditya-now

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 08:56

Who said anything about a wall? Look how low Alonso's head is compared to that of the Ferrari drivers; the shot was made by someone who was probably on his knees and pointing upwards.

 

You don't need to be a master photographer to turn the following scene into the above photo.

 

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Well thank you, that answered my question. There were indeed some parts photoshopped away. Great photograph, right moment, little work afterwards.



#84 aditya-now

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 09:01

If you offered any young kid a chance for a career with big dollars, great racing memories and two WDC, they would give up a kidney for that.

 

As such, I don't think he has "wasted his talent" but I suspect even he thought he would be at 3/4 by now.

 

But I suspect Kimi thought he would have 2, Lewis probably didn't think it would take so long to get number 2, etc etc. The cards rarely favour every player in a game.

 

The cards definitely favoured Vettel for quite a while (and maybe soon they will favour him again). Fernando with four would be representative of his pedigree, but then you would have Vettel with two. It's interesting how that would be more representative of driver strength, but how our minds are convinced by Vettel's four titles.

 

Also, it is rare that a driver's 2 WDC titles seem to be so obviously too little - the only other driver I can think of is Jim Clark.



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Posted 28 April 2015 - 09:03

Well thank you, that answered my question. There were indeed some parts photoshopped away. Great photograph, right moment, little work afterwards.

Still, the stuff removed also removed something interesting: Look at the people to the right, the photographers and everyone - they are all focused on someone behind the Ferrari drivers.



#86 motorhead

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 09:12

Who said anything about a wall? Look how low Alonso's head is compared to that of the Ferrari drivers; the shot was made by someone who was probably on his knees and pointing upwards.

 

You don't need to be a master photographer to turn the following scene into the above photo.

 

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I donĀ“t understand, were they frozen and that was the only point were one could take a photo...I see a lot of cameras on their way



#87 YoungGun

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 09:16

The give away that it is an amateur PhotoShop attempt is the repetitive pattern in the background.



#88 Ben1445

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 09:22

If you actually look at his career decisions it wasn't all bad. He was at Renault in time for their 2005-2006 form, after which he dropped them for McLaren whom he won for whilst Renault weren't quite the same sans the mass damper and presumably other reasons. It was only after that that the can-of-worms that is 2007 threw him into a bit of a spin, for whatever reason you believe that to be (It's not relevant to this topic - don't need to discuss it). After that, it seems to have been taking decisions that may or may not have worked out and they turned out not to. Hamilton's move to Merc could easily have been a disaster as far as people were concerned at the time but it obviously wasn't.

It's a tough game, and not everyone can win. Sad really, because Alonso really deserves more. 

On the other hand, he seems fairly happy at McLaren plottering along the back... for now. Maybe having a little break from fighting so hard but always coming so close will do him good..


Edited by Ben1445, 28 April 2015 - 09:27.


#89 ExEd

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 09:27

Can we make a separate topic for Alonso's Ex-Wives only?

Since we are full of em nowdays, they can gather there at nights ,chit chat on the mistake he made, retirement, how awsome their new red dresses are,etc.

I mean its done,you can b*tch about it we understand but no need to float the forums,right?


Edited by ExEd, 28 April 2015 - 09:28.


#90 Force Ten

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 08:13

Well thank you, that answered my question. There were indeed some parts photoshopped away. Great photograph, right moment, little work afterwards.

What parts? How is it not possible for a photographer with SOME skill of compositing a photo so that the surroundings are blocked with the drivers foreground and the pole will be blocked by Kimi's head?

 

And it is not what your originally implied, your original point was that the whole photo is a composite.



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Posted 30 April 2015 - 08:22

I don't think it is about number of WDCs. I do not consider Schumi's later or Vettel's numerous WDCs something special but achieved in a dominant car

 

But in Vettel's case, despite current F1 fans may think as you think (me included) he has a much more successful F1 career than Alonso in terms of pure stats, and that's a pitty (not for Vettel!, but for Alonso)



#92 aditya-now

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 21:39

What parts? How is it not possible for a photographer with SOME skill of compositing a photo so that the surroundings are blocked with the drivers foreground and the pole will be blocked by Kimi's head?

 

And it is not what your originally implied, your original point was that the whole photo is a composite.

 

Hi Force Ten,

 

I never said I believed the whole photo was a composite, I always felt the background was strange and I am still not convinced if its entirely a natural photograph, as it looks too good to be true - Fernando staring between the two of them in a similar fashion as he stared at Seb in Interlagos 2012 when he lost the title in the last race.

 

However, I have been mistaken in my life, I was possibly mistaken in this case and I will err again in the future. No hard feelings.



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Posted 01 May 2015 - 06:51

I don't think it is about number of WDCs. I do not consider Schumi's later or Vettel's numerous WDCs something special but achieved in a dominant car


First step is to make that dominant car with the team (what else) and then to win the WDC. Anything else would be just underestimation of the competition. Clearly Schumi and Seb did the right thing.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 07:43

First step is to make that dominant car with the team (what else) and then to win the WDC. Anything else would be just underestimation of the competition. Clearly Schumi and Seb did the right thing.

 

Yeah, those extra hours they put in the wind tunnel sure paid off!!