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Nico Rosberg v. Lewis Hamilton, Part Deux


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#3901 robefc

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Posted 23 August 2015 - 20:32

They were pretty similar during the first phase of the start.  Nico picked up a bit of wheel spin in the second phase.

 

Come to think of it wasn't that where Nico struggled in Hungary? Got off the line way quicker than lewis but then gave it back in the second phase (before Lewis then returned the favour by braking early!).



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#3902 Nonesuch

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Posted 23 August 2015 - 20:51

How soon can Mercedes win the WCC?
Hopefully it'll allow Lewis and Nico to run free.

 

Mercedes has 184 points more than Ferrari. At the moment Ferrari can still score 344 points (by finishing 1st and 2nd in all remaining races (25+18=43, 43*8=344). However, that number will quickly go down - and Mercedes is more likely to extend the gap rather than lose ground.

 

Mercedes seems to be on track to win the title somewhere around Japan.



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Posted 23 August 2015 - 22:48

Come to think of it wasn't that where Nico struggled in Hungary? Got off the line way quicker than lewis but then gave it back in the second phase (before Lewis then returned the favour by braking early!).

I think you may be right Rob.  It seems to be the second phase of the start where Nico is losing out.



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Posted 23 August 2015 - 23:02

The Hamilton and Mercedes (engine) combination now has:

 

  • Most amount of points (1713) of any driver & engine combo (2nd = Vettel & Renault with 1577)
  • 2nd most amount of wins (39) of any driver & engine combo (1st = Schumi & Ferrari with 72)
  • 2nd most amount of poles (48) of any driver & engine combo (1st = Schumi & Ferrari with 58)
  • 2nd most amount of podiums (80) of any driver & engine combo (1st = Schumi & Ferrari with 116)
  • 2nd most amount of front row places (83) of any driver & engine combo (1st = Schumi & Ferrari with 91)


#3905 TomNokoe

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Posted 23 August 2015 - 23:33

Just home from a long day of Gaelic Football semi finals.

Hamilton is simply not very good through Eau Rouge on lap 1 on this race track! He recovered superbly but it makes me chuckle how he makes a pigs ear of it :lol:

Rosberg was awful in the first stint, his Mercedes engine saved him from Vettel getting by after his poor T1 exit (twice?) and his pass on Bottas was very messy, Bottas however was very poor in defence and then attack and basically gifted the place to Nico.

This undercut business is shady to be honest, they cut Lewis's gap in half, which just created unnecessary pressure. Nico himself was ever so fortunate to survive the Perez onslaught, no less since he'd been held up just the perfect amount by Kimi to let Rosberg exit ahead. Rarely is Hamilton afforded such useful slices of luck.

From there on it was plain sailing, I was very happy to see Hamilton secure another victory.

Hamilton 9/10
Rosberg 7/10

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Posted 23 August 2015 - 23:38

You guys notice how Perez had a much better start than Hamilton? He was lucky the first corner was such a short distance away.

When did Hamilton last have a good start and comfortable lead all throuh lap 1?

Edited by Atreiu, 23 August 2015 - 23:38.


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Posted 23 August 2015 - 23:43

I guess so. I'm just thinking out loud hoping somehow races can be more exciting.

 

Mercedes sealed the constructors championship in Russia last year, and there seemed to be no change.


Edited by J0rd4n, 23 August 2015 - 23:44.


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Posted 23 August 2015 - 23:56

You guys notice how Perez had a much better start than Hamilton? He was lucky the first corner was such a short distance away.

When did Hamilton last have a good start and comfortable lead all throuh lap 1?

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 00:50

You guys notice how Perez had a much better start than Hamilton? He was lucky the first corner was such a short distance away.

When did Hamilton last have a good start and comfortable lead all throuh lap 1?

 

Yeah. Definitely getting mugged at Monza, Russia and USA.



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 02:18

With regards to the start, both had overheated clutches again just like Hamilton in Hungary because of the aborted start. Hamilton had a procedure memorized to deal with such a scenario because of Hungary apparently.



#3911 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 02:25

With regards to the start, both had overheated clutches again just like Hamilton in Hungary because of the aborted start. Hamilton had a procedure memorized to deal with such a scenario because of Hungary apparently.

What I find strange, both in Budapest and Spa: Is just Mercedes dealing with this issues?

And yes, Hamilton admitted in the press conference that a second formation lap was discussed in the preperations for the manual starts. He was also asked if Hungary might have helped him and he didnt denied it that it could have helped him.

#3912 CHIUNDA

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 03:10

I think you may be right (see link below):
http://en.mclarenf-1...=928&s=7388&p=3
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Re: today's GP, apparently Rosberg had the new start procedure on a sheet of paper taped to his steering wheel. :cat:​


I can understand what with his first child coming up he had other pressing matters on his mind. I still hold his Professorship in high regard.

#3913 Jordan44

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:23

Yeah. Definitely getting mugged at Monza, Russia and USA.


Aborted starts don't help them, I think normal service will resume in Monza.

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:41

if you look at the starts at this race, almost half of the grid had bad starts.



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:47

Tom Clarkson observed while interviewing Toto Wolff after the race, that the Mercedes team boss didn't seem as happy as expected with the teams result.  [Speculation Mode On] I wonder if the starts are worrying him or perhaps Bernie has been in his ear about supplying PUs to RBR for 2016 [Speculation Mode Off]



#3916 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:51

Tom Clarkson observed while interviewing Toto Wolff after the race, that the Mercedes team boss didn't seem as happy as expected with the teams result.  [Speculation Mode On] I wonder if the starts are worrying him or perhaps Bernie has been in his ear about supplying PUs to RBR for 2016 [Speculation Mode Off]

At RTL they said that James Volwes is worried about the start in Monza because of the long way into turn 1 (the short way into T1 saved Merc in Spa a bit)



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:55

Tom Clarkson observed while interviewing Toto Wolff after the race, that the Mercedes team boss didn't seem as happy as expected with the teams result.  [Speculation Mode On] I wonder if the starts are worrying him or perhaps Bernie has been in his ear about supplying PUs to RBR for 2016 [Speculation Mode Off]

 

That could well be bothering him, with a Mercedes PU in the back that would more or less have parity with the works team, Red Bull would become a serious threat for the championship given they still have the strongest chassis; I remember reading an article on the Red Bull's performance through Pouhon which was described as "scarily fast" by a rival engineer. 


Edited by Mercstar, 24 August 2015 - 11:56.


#3918 OO7

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:56

At RTL they said that James Volwes is worried about the start in Monza because of the long way into turn 1 (the short way into T1 saved Merc in Spa a bit)

Cheers Marklar.

 

So Merc are very likely to lose positions at the start (assuming a front row lockout).  Overtaking around Monza is not as easy as some may think as well, particular given the increase in aero sensitivity between 2015 and 2014 cars.  Also the risk of contact increases.



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:58

At RTL they said that James Volwes is worried about the start in Monza because of the long way into turn 1 (the short way into T1 saved Merc in Spa a bit)

 

I think most of the grid had slightly sluggish starts, I think Mercedes starts were again hindered by the extra formation lap, I expect things to calm down over the next couple of races. 



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#3920 OO7

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:58

That could well be bothering him, with a Mercedes PU in the back that would more or less have parity with the works team, Red Bull would become a serious threat for the championship given they still have the strongest chassis; I remember reading an article on the Red Bull's performance through Pouhon which was described as "scarily fast" by a rival engineer. 

I would like to see a comparison between Lewis' best S2 time in Q3 with Daniel's and try to account for the fact that Mercedes were running more downforce.



#3921 GoldenColt

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:01

Lewis Hamilton at Mclaren vs Lewis Hamilton at Mercedes

 

110 Races - 49 Races

21 Wins - 18 Wins

49 Podiums - 31 Podiums

26 Poles - 22 Poles

12 Fastest laps - 12 Fastest Laps

913 Points - 800 Points

2 Hattricks - 6 Hattricks

0 Grand Slams - 1 Grand Slam

1 WDC - 1 WDC

0 WCC - 1 WCC

 

He could beat nearly every stat from his McLaren-years by the end of this season. In half the races.  :up:



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:02

I would like to see a comparison between Lewis' best S2 time in Q3 with Daniel's and try to account for the fact that Mercedes were running more downforce.

 

I don't think that would be a fair way to appraise the relative chassis of the two cars, given Red Bull has to make a much greater compromise to account for the lack of straight line speed. The teams have GPS data which shows them the cornering performances of the cars, all the whispers we've heard so far is the RB is up there with Merc in chassis performance. 



#3923 OO7

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:03

Lewis Hamilton at Mclaren vs Lewis Hamilton at Mercedes

 

110 Races - 49 Races

21 Wins - 18 Wins

49 Podiums - 31 Podiums

26 Poles - 22 Poles

12 Fastest laps - 12 Fastest Laps

913 Points - 800 Points

2 Hattricks - 6 Hattricks

0 Grand Slams - 1 Grand Slam

1 WDC - 1 WDC

0 WCC - 1 WCC

 

He could beat nearly every stat from his McLaren-years by the end of this season. In half the races.  :up:

Wasn't China 2008 a Grand Slam?  I'm sure Lewis has had at least 1 Grand Slam in a McLaren?



#3924 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:04

I would like to see a comparison between Lewis' best S2 time in Q3 with Daniel's and try to account for the fact that Mercedes were running more downforce.

HAM 47.786

ROS 48.239

RIC  48.317



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:04

Wasn't China 2008 a Grand Slam?  I'm sure Lewis has had at least 1 Grand Slam in a McLaren?

 

Nope, it wasn't. Kovalainen and Heidfeld took 1st and 2nd place for several laps after Lewis' 1st stop. 


Edited by GoldenColt, 24 August 2015 - 12:05.


#3926 OO7

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:04

I don't think that would be a fair way to appraise the relative chassis of the two cars, given Red Bull has to make a much greater compromise to account for the lack of straight line speed. The teams have GPS data which shows them the cornering performances of the cars, all the whispers we've heard so far is the RB is up there with Merc in chassis performance. 

That's why I mentioned trying to account for the differences in downforce (set-up).



#3927 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:05

Wasn't China 2008 a Grand Slam?  I'm sure Lewis has had at least 1 Grand Slam in a McLaren?

He wasnt leading the entire race (Kovalainen lead after he pitted for a couple laps)



#3928 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:07

Even if RB is equal regading the chassis with Merc, Merc has stil the works team advantage and that is a big one.



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:09

He wasnt leading the entire race (Kovalainen lead after he pitted for a couple laps)

 

He would have had one at Spa if he could have been bothered to set the fastest lap after his 2nd stop. :evil:



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:11

He would have had one at Spa if he could have been bothered to set the fastest lap after his 2nd stop. :evil:

Nope. Rosberg leaded the race in lap 31.

 

The closest he got to an grand slam was Russia 2014 (Bottas took the FL towards the end) and obviously this year in Monaco if VES didnt had crashed.



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:12

HAM 47.786

ROS 48.239

RIC  48.317

:up:

So there was less than a tenth between Nico and Daniel!  There is no doubt that RBR have a very strong chassis.  I'll have to see what times Williams and Ferrari were posting there.


Edited by OO7, 24 August 2015 - 12:13.


#3932 CountDooku

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:13

Nope. Rosberg leaded the race in lap 31.

 

The closest he got to an grand slam was Russia 2014 (Bottas took the FL towards the end) and obviously this year in Monaco if VES didnt had crashed.

 

Didn't Lewis lead as he was in the pits when he crossed the line?



#3933 GoldenColt

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:13

Nope. Rosberg leaded the race in lap 31.

 

The closest he got to an grand slam was Russia 2014 (Bottas took the FL towards the end) and obviously this year in Monaco if VES didnt had crashed.

 

That's not right, as Rosberg didn't lead the whole lap. Lewis passed him before Rosberg crossed the s/f-line while going through the pits because the Mercedes pit is right at the beginning of the pitlane. A FL would have given Lewis his 2nd GS. 



#3934 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:17

That's not right, as Rosberg didn't lead the whole lap. Lewis passed him before Rosberg crossed the s/f-line while going through the pits because the Mercedes pit is right at the beginning of the pitlane. A FL would have given Lewis his 2nd GS. 

 

 

Didn't Lewis lead as he was in the pits when he crossed the line?

 

According to the FIA Rosberg leaded Lap 31 ;) Rosberg crossed the line in the pits.

 

LAP 31

NO    GAP     TIME

6        PIT      2:00.170

44      6.084   2:07.623



#3935 GoldenColt

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:18

Pffff, FIA who?   ;)



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:19

Tom Clarkson observed while interviewing Toto Wolff after the race, that the Mercedes team boss didn't seem as happy as expected with the teams result.  [Speculation Mode On] I wonder if the starts are worrying him or perhaps Bernie has been in his ear about supplying PUs to RBR for 2016 [Speculation Mode Off]


Toto said he was already thinking about Monza. Don't remember, how many places did Vettel make up at start?
No need to worry about RB running Merc PU, I don't.

#3937 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:20

:up:

So there was less than a tenth between Nico and Daniel!  There is no doubt that RBR have a very strong chassis.  I'll have to see what times Williams and Ferrari were posting there.

 

I'll have to add Kvyat

Kvyat  48.574

 

Williams war running on a qualifying setup

Bottas 48.385

Massa 48.722

Vettel  48.871



#3938 Marklar

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:21

Toto said he was already thinking about Monza. Don't remember, how many places did Vettel make up at start?
No need to worry about RB running Merc PU, I don't.

He was 5th (from 8th), but was overtooked again by Rosberg before the Eau Rouge


Edited by Marklar, 24 August 2015 - 12:22.


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:37

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