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#51 PaulMar

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 12:42

Did you read the Privacy Policy?  I soldiered on to the bitter end (despite the obvious weighting of some of the questions) read the PP :eek: and bailed out!



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#52 Jovanotti

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 12:51

Just sign with a fake name/e-mail.



#53 JdB

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 12:56

[sarcasm]Great! Another survey.... i'm sure they'll listen to their fans this time .... [\sarcasm]

#54 Haribo

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 12:57

I did the GPDA one. I managed to submit it OK too.

 

One thing that caught me out was that the numbering of agree/disagree changed between questions. Sometimes it was 1 <-> 5, sometimes 1 <-> 7 and sometimes it was 1 <-> 6, where 5 was strongly agree, and 6 was no opinion



#55 FerrariV12

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 15:13

Just done the GPDA one...had to say I preferred the Autosport one, as I felt its questions gave me more of an opportunity to get my opinions across.



#56 SophieB

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 16:29

I know it is massively confusing given that there are two major fan surveys released within two days of each other, but try not to lose track of which thread is about which survey. This one's about the Haymarket magazines survey.



#57 OO7

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 16:41

Which survey provided the opportunity for a 250 word limit, open ended answer towards its conclusion?  Which every it was I'll do the other.



#58 RealRacing

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 17:37

It's all a load of cack.  We will watch regardless.  The brains of the sport will come up with ridiculous rules regardless.  They should be reaching out to the non-hardcore fans, not the very vocal and very small minority who will rush to participate in these surveys.

I consider myself to be a hardcore fan and I won't watch regardless.

Why do you think they should be reaching out to the non-hardcore fans?

How do you know who will participate in these surveys?



#59 RealRacing

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 17:43

Still can't upload the GPDA survey. That's very dumb after such a long survey. As some of you have said, horrible choices for how cars should look and no option for "other". A bit worried that they had to ask things like sprinklers and double points. Maybe they needed a safeguard for stupidity?



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#60 KTownDevil

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 18:28

I'm still stuck at 99% after I tried the GPDA survey a third time. (Chrome/Firefox)



#61 Peter0Scandlyn

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Posted 23 May 2015 - 05:00

Done and dusted 24 hours back.

Just consign incoming and annoying email to spam.

Works for me....



#62 LoudHoward

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Posted 23 May 2015 - 05:47

I did my grumpy old man impersonation in the Autosport survey just now, also did the full 250 words hehe:

 

 

-No DRS 

-Tyres drivers can lean on
-Massive reduction in upper body aero
-Massive increase in under body aero
-Make up speed difference by increases in mechanical grip if needed, wider tyres?
-Top 5-10 single lap shootout (keep Q1 and Q2 as is)
-Better on screen graphics
-Improved camera angles (bring back sense of speed)
-Less penalties for "causing an avoidable incidents"
-More even distribution of prize funds, all teams should have their engine supplies covered by TV money, which leads into...
-More engine development and more engines available per season
-Limit/stop wind tunnel usage
-Less Tilke tracks, more classics
-After he fully retires chuck Adrian Newey in a room and have him come up with an aesthetic and workable rule set (cars that can follow each other, closed cockpits/wheels if required)
-Teams not involved in rule creation
-Need to think about solving problems of 2008 spec formula, rather than trying to fix the issues of 2015 spec, 2009 rules were a good start, should've kept going down that path rather than catering to novelties.
-Streaming available to everyone for $$$$, have money go to whomever has the local TV rights
-Old races available online
-Let drivers change helmets
-Let them chat as much as they want on the radio, this is a team sport
-Drop lapped cars to the back of the snake during SC periods
-Get rid of the wet tyre if they aren't going to restart races until people are pitting for inters

 

Grumble grumble  :p



#63 30ft penguin

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 05:05

Just sign with a fake name/e-mail.

 

Serious question: What privacy policy? What e-mail signing? For me, the last page just had questions about gender, income category, country of residence, and a "submit" button. No question about e-mail and no link to a privacy policy :confused:



#64 Imateria

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 12:07

Serious question: What privacy policy? What e-mail signing? For me, the last page just had questions about gender, income category, country of residence, and a "submit" button. No question about e-mail and no link to a privacy policy :confused:

Wrong survey, the email one is on the GPDA not Autosport survey.



#65 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 15:19

What a stupid survey. Exactly what do they expect to achieve with results from questions like who's your favorite driver and stuff? What could they do? Have Hamilton sit with the fans and Merhi not?

 

The only questions that really mattered where the ones about regulations and the racing tracks F1 should be at.



#66 Atreiu

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 17:55

I liked both surveys, but in the future I wouldn't mind if they had less questions and covered only key controversial items.

 

1 - Which is more important, lowering costs or allowing the teams more revenue?

2 - Should independent teams be granted any incentive or subsidies?

3 - Should teams recieve historical monetary bonuses?

4 - Should teams be allowed to buy and/or share parts and/or data with each other?

 

Etc.


Edited by Atreiu, 24 May 2015 - 17:56.


#67 Talisman

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 21:26

What a stupid survey. 

 

I agree.

They're asking the wrong people.  No point in asking fans who stick with the sport through thick and thin what they want.  They should have been targeting people who've stopped watching or watch just the odd race why they don't watch more.



#68 Richard T

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 21:36

I did my grumpy old man impersonation in the Autosport survey just now, also did the full 250 words hehe:


Grumble grumble :p


I agree with you on everything except ban/limit wind tunnels. Great suggestions, that's more or less what I had in mind when answering the questions too :up:

I think that the "go back to solve 2008 formula" is spot on.

#69 Atreiu

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 22:32

I agree.

They're asking the wrong people.  No point in asking fans who stick with the sport through thick and thin what they want.  They should have been targeting people who've stopped watching or watch just the odd race why they don't watch more.

 

I do not see non fans in a que waiting to tell F1 what they want from it.

 

And how exactly do you get in touch with them without any spam-like methods?



#70 Talisman

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 07:12

I do not see non fans in a que waiting to tell F1 what they want from it.

 

And how exactly do you get in touch with them without any spam-like methods?

 

There are ways of finding out what people who aren't followers of a particular product think.  Its called market research.  Focus groups, questionnaires targeting rival sports websites like football, the methods exist.

 

What are these two questionnaires trying to achieve exactly?  What is F1's core problem?  IMO it is to do with not winning over new fans.  In order to find out how to do that you need to ask those around the periphery of the sport or those who had never considered watching it what can be done to get their interest.  Asking hardcore fans who their favourite driver is doesn't really do anything to achieve this.



#71 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 10:43

Couldn't complete the survey. Where are the results going? Probably straight in the bin.



#72 Mekola

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 17:28

I did not understand why in the survey when they ask "Which other motorsport series do you follow...?", it isn't anything regarding minor formula racing.



#73 sabjit

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 22:58

I did it and filled the box too.

 

Is it only available in English? I think that will bias the results on quite a lot of questions.

 

Like, "60% of the fans who bothered to fill the survey are from UK"  :yawnface:

 

All I'm going to say as someone who studies stats that surveys like this will take into account factors such as the bias towards a certain nationality. The likelihood is that certain groups will be given certain weightings to certain questions and there are all sorts of calculations and tests people can carry out to see if the results are affected by the bias or if the results are so extreme in some questions that the biased sample does not explain it.

 

Someone once came up to me to talk to me about a study of oil rig workers and their weight and the measures that the study recommended based on a sample of just 26 workers. My response was that it's not as simple as just getting 26 people on scales and seeing if their mean weight has gone up and then taking that result as gospel. They will have done all sorts of tests to ensure that the probability of the sample being as extreme as they were was acceptably low (known as a significance level or sometimes a confidence interval) before endorsing the study's findings.

 

Anyway, enough rambling about stats, if it were the case that this survey came back in huge support of V6 engines, I'm pretty sure they would firstly look at how many of the participants were fans of teams or drivers doing well under the current regulations AND vice versa, and then they would assess how that impacts the question about V6 engines and will calculate the probability of that result in an unbiased sample which, if it is too low, will then render the response to the V6 question as unreliable. If the probability was at an acceptable level, then the results of the question will then be deemed trust worthy.

 

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This is where someone who has finished a Masters in Stats says "Tut, fresher".



#74 Atreiu

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 01:42

There are ways of finding out what people who aren't followers of a particular product think.  Its called market research.  Focus groups, questionnaires targeting rival sports websites like football, the methods exist.

 

What are these two questionnaires trying to achieve exactly?  What is F1's core problem?  IMO it is to do with not winning over new fans.  In order to find out how to do that you need to ask those around the periphery of the sport or those who had never considered watching it what can be done to get their interest.  Asking hardcore fans who their favourite driver is doesn't really do anything to achieve this.

 

How many times have you filled questionaires for sports you do not follow? Easier said than done.

Yes, there is a lot of marketing F1 has to do. But I think there are two fronts to be attacked. One to gain new fans, another to stop current fans from drifting away.

 

I hope these questionaires help FIA, FOM, GPDA, etc. Although my hopes are not very high.



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 01:43

And F1 really should decide what it wants to be. Fan based entertainment. R&D motor marketing. Pure racing. Etc.



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 12:51

What a stupid survey. Exactly what do they expect to achieve with results from questions like who's your favorite driver and stuff? What could they do? Have Hamilton sit with the fans and Merhi not?

 

 

 What they expect are numbers so they can make a decision.  Everything done by CEO must be backed up by numbers, because, numbers are right.

Or at least, numbers provide an excuse if things go wrong. 

 

 This is effectively the ploy they used to come up with DRS, under the premise of "X number of fans want more passing!  Therefore, DRS!".

 

Which isn't the same thing, but... numbers!


Edited by chipmcdonald, 27 May 2015 - 12:52.


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Posted 27 May 2015 - 14:16

The survey won't make any difference whatsoever its just a pr exercise.



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 14:32

I added:

 

- Allow for NA V-10 and V8 Turbo engines (XFE).

- Somehow get to Road America.

- Embrace Europe as the core and work to maintain that.

- Reward additional points for environmentally sound lumps with technology that can be transferred to the public realm.



#79 Talisman

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 18:09

And F1 really should decide what it wants to be. Fan based entertainment. R&D motor marketing. Pure racing. Etc.

 

Yep, agreed, although I'd add pure money making to your selection too.  Once F1 discovers its direction everything else falls into place automatically.  That won't be discovered through a survey.



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 19:31

JV...Bang on target ...AGAIN.

 

Villeneuve says asking fans to shape the sport "dangerous"

 

Jp



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 19:35

JV...Bang on target ...AGAIN.

 

Villeneuve says asking fans to shape the sport "dangerous"

 

Jp

 

Ha! I just pasted that at the rival survey thread a few seconds ago. They really should have joined forces on this thing at least. 



#82 wrcva

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 19:41

He (JV) is spot on this time...

 

When asked what he considered to be a "special Formula 1," the 11-­time F1 race winner replied:

 

"What is special is a car that no one can drive. It is a car that only 10 guys in the world can drive properly and 10 others can survive properly in it.  Like it used to be."

 

"It is a car that is crazy fast.  F1 should be the extremes of everything."

 

 



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 20:43

I wonder if JV is factoring in having to replace 1 to 4 drivers a year due to injury or worse - just like it used to be.  It would allow some of those frustrated "drivers in waiting" to get their shot, but...

 

I may be apostate, but I really liked last year, I thought the amount of real racing was much better than it had been for years.  Yes, the Merc dominance was a little annoying, but DR was a eye opener, the VET-ALO battles were great, and I was amazed at the technical competence of the new engines.  Perfect?  No, but a simple return to V8's doesn't seem to me to be the right path.

 

FWIW, I competed the other survey, may do this one too.  Might as well add my grumpy old man views...



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 21:18

 

"What is special is a car that no one can drive. It is a car that only 10 guys in the world can drive properly and 10 others can survive properly in it.  Like it used to be."

 

"It is a car that is crazy fast.  F1 should be the extremes of everything."

 

So how far we go back then Jacques? Dust off a few MP4-4s? Restore some tractors Nuvolari used to drive?

 

Nothing like the good old days. Drivers biting the dust on a yearly basis and all that jazz.



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 21:27

The survey won't make any difference whatsoever its just a pr exercise.


They ran with it last time.

Liking technology gave us the goofy power units, liking the environment made them tiny, and wanting more passing gave us Dr's.

Again - bureaucracy is the downfall of the West, and F1.

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 21:30

He (JV) is spot on this time...
 
When asked what he considered to be a "special Formula 1," the 11-­time F1 race winner replied:
 
"What is special is a car that no one can drive. It is a car that only 10 guys in the world can drive properly and 10 others can survive properly in it.  Like it used to be."
 
"It is a car that is crazy fast.  F1 should be the extremes of everything."


I like the but at the end, he's right. But it's disengenuous to say they gave us what we wanted. They gave us a bozoic rendition of the common sense interpretation of what the last survey reported.

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 21:38

Ha! I just pasted that at the rival survey thread a few seconds ago. They really should have joined forces on this thing at least. 

 

Divide and concur?

No, it's still Divide and Conquer

I'm afraid  it's PC at this juncture to throw us a biscuit.

 

 

I wonder if JV is factoring in having to replace 1 to 4 drivers a year due to injury or worse - just like it used to be.  It would allow some of those frustrated "drivers in waiting" to get their shot, but...

 

 

Foot in Mouth missed the point it seems.

 

 

So how far we go back then Jacques? Dust off a few MP4-4s? Restore some tractors Nuvolari used to drive?

 

Nothing like the good old days. Drivers biting the dust on a yearly basis and all that jazz.

 

AND..Another one missed the bus

Jp
 

 



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 21:45

Just watched Villeneuve spinning the very fast 2004 Renault in a high speed corner in practice in Shanghai. Then watched Palmer and Maldonado spinning the 2015 Lotus in the same series of corners in practice in Shanghai. Not really sure what he is trying to say.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 00:00

I think JV misses being in the limelight he always has something to say.  



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 05:38


 

Foot in Mouth missed the point it seems.

 

 

Jp
 

I am so disappointed that you didn't put the least bit o' wit into your reposte - now my feeling's are hurt... :(

 

More to the point - 10 who can drive, 10 who can survive.  Tell me, o savant, what did he mean?



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:48

Sorry footsy.... I'm gonna use JetLag as the excuse for the lack of brevity in my retort. 10 to drive = contenders to win races 10 to survive= pay drivers and make weights. Simples. Jp

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Posted 30 May 2015 - 11:19

Strangely, I actually agree a bit with Jacques V for once...

 

Villeneuve: It’s dangerous for Formula 1 to ask fans for views http://www.autosport...t.php/id/119183

 

 

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"It is dangerous to ask the fans what they want, because a lot of modern F1 is what the fans wanted," the 1997 world champion told AUTOSPORT.

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"We have a tonne more overtaking than we have ever had, but people are more bored than they ever were.

"What we are missing is a special Formula 1.

"Formula 1 should stop trying to get more fans and concentrate on the fans it already has."

When asked what he considered to be a "special Formula 1", the 11-­time F1 race winner replied: "What is special is a car that no-one can drive.

"It is a car that only 10 guys in the world can drive properly and 10 others can survive properly in it. Like it used to be.

"It is a car that is crazy fast. F1 should be the extremes of everything."

 


Edited by AustinF1, 30 May 2015 - 11:20.