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  1. Good, alcohol improves life on earth so why ban advertsing of it in F1. (40 votes [32.79%])

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#1 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:23

Word!

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/119196

 

as we know not alcohol or war is the killer but is cigarettes!



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#2 JeePee

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:29

It's not F1's job to judge if a product is good or bad. The teams may choose with whom they want to be associated with, and it's the customers job to decide whether or not to buy a product.



#3 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:33

It's not F1's job to judge if a product is good or bad. The teams may choose with whom they want to be associated with, and it's the customers job to decide whether or not to buy a product.

 

I still think there can be a difference, cigarettes is a crime aganst humanity.



#4 Talisman

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:34

As long as alcohol advertising remains legal the FIA should steer clear of legislating on it.

That said I'm not impressed by Todts quick and emphatic response on this one topic compared to the complete lack of response on more important issues to do with the sports governance. I guess its because the anti alcohol lobby is attacking him personally to dislodge him from his new role at the UN

#5 Alexis*27

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:38

Presumably the grumblings are because of the association with driving and alcohol, and thus drink-driving.

 

Of course, the vast vast majority of alcohol drinkers don't drink and drive. Just because a car says Johnnie Walker on the side, it doesn't encourage drink driving any more than a company advertising kitchen knives advocates murder.


Edited by Alexis*27, 28 May 2015 - 09:38.


#6 oetzi

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:44

As long as alcohol advertising remains legal the FIA should steer clear of legislating on it.

That said I'm not impressed by Todts quick and emphatic response on this one topic compared to the complete lack of response on more important issues to do with the sports governance. I guess its because the anti alcohol lobby is attacking him personally to dislodge him from his new role at the UN

Why do the anti-alcohol people not like him? How come the UN is trying to run road safety? Why is his wife in every single photo he's in? When did she start looking so weird?

 

(Apologies if Jean Todt isn't your specialist subject).

 

And, as for the sponsorship, leave it alone. Ban things or don't, don't ban the promotion of things that you don't ban.

 

At least they can't ban alcohol, the Pope would declare a crusade if they banned the blood of Christ.

 

Thank God for small mercies.



#7 Ben1445

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:56

As long as they're promoting not drinking and driving I'm not sure I see the problem. 

I do see the irony though. 



#8 Talisman

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:56

Why do the anti-alcohol people not like him? How come the UN is trying to run road safety? Why is his wife in every single photo he's in? When did she start looking so weird?

(Apologies if Jean Todt isn't your specialist subject).

And, as for the sponsorship, leave it alone. Ban things or don't, don't ban the promotion of things that you don't ban.

At least they can't ban alcohol, the Pope would declare a crusade if they banned the blood of Christ.

Thank God for small mercies.


Answer to most of your post is 'no idea' but it seems like his appointment at the UN isn't very popular for some reason and a few organisations have come out to take pot shots at him. I would have thought this alcohol group is one of them.

#9 oetzi

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:58

I guess there are some pretty vocal people who would have preferred someone like the head of the Cycling federation to do road safety. Maybe that's it.



#10 Xpat

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:01

Drinking and driving is bad. So is texting and driving so should Vodafone be banned as well?



#11 Talisman

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:09

I guess there are some pretty vocal people who would have preferred someone like the head of the Cycling federation to do road safety. Maybe that's it.


Yep not hobbing enough of the right nobs amongst the NGO crowd is probably it.

#12 Sash1

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:11

Maybe Todt can also start a campaign to help women who get beaten the **** out of or to death by their acohol happy husbands/boyfriends or are harassed by drunk public, the kids who are poorly fed because their drunk parents use all the money for their drinks or the kids who are born with anomalies thanks to their addicted mum.

It's not really his job is it? But I can see the EU pushing for alcohol advertisement bans just like they did with tobacco. I give it 10 years and it will happen. Personally I don't care much what they do, but I do not drink anymore because alcohol ****ed up my health - well, I did, with alcohol.



#13 brr

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:26

Does Kimi count as alcohol advertising?



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:27

La Source: http://www.abc.net.a...rtisers/6502702
 

In a move which infuriated road safety lobbies, last month FIA president Jean Todt was appointed special envoy for road safety by United Nations secretary-general Ban Ki-moon.

More than 100 road safety organisations from 50 countries reacted by sending a letter to the United Nations claiming Mr Todt had a conflict of interest.

But Mr Todt told the ABC he could not ban alcohol advertising.

"The use of advertising for alcohol is not linked to the FIA. It's linked to each singular country. I'm completely against and advocating against drinking and driving, but each country needs to make his own job," he said.

"You cannot ban alcohol — it is not possible. You can educate people not to drink and drive.

"And what I'm urging alcohol companies to do is to participate in funding to educate people and discourage people driving when they are drinking.

"So we are working very closely on that because we know it is an essential topic to be addressed."

 



#15 oetzi

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:31

Ah, the road safety organisations. Cheers.



#16 JeePee

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:42

Racing is also very bad on public roads.

 

We should ban racing.



#17 oetzi

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:50

Not a bad plan, but it would be much safer to just ban roads.



#18 omgwtf

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 10:53

Or just ban living..


Edited by omgwtf, 28 May 2015 - 10:55.


#19 tmekt

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:01

Does Kimi count as alcohol advertising?

Yes. Ban Kimi.

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#20 Gyno

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:03

Alcohol ads are already banned in EU.



#21 tmekt

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:08

Alcohol ads are already banned in EU.

They aren't.

#22 Guizotia

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:08

I still think there can be a difference, cigarettes is a crime aganst humanity.

There is no amount of alcohol that is not carcinogenic (cancer causing), so it's very similar to cigarettes. Additionally, people who drink alcohol get relief from the pressures and challenges of the real world, which is bad because it diverts their attention (and wallet) from making real improvements in their life.

I have a "drug-abusing" character so my views might be considered extreme.

I think governments should make rules about this, not sports bodies.

Edited by Guizotia, 28 May 2015 - 11:09.


#23 August

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:08

Martini ads on Williams don't make me drink but you can't watch boring races like Barcelona or Monaco sober. Or I had to watch Barcelona sober because I had to drive after it.



#24 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:18

Alcohol ads are already banned in EU.

 

if, only on TV but I dont think so


Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 28 May 2015 - 11:19.


#25 Nonesuch

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:34

A sensible approach by Todt. People are going to drink alcohol regardless, and the FIA can only do so much. Their road safety campaigns are already quite an important part of their public activities. :up:

 

Alcohol ads are already banned in EU.

 

It's a little more complicated than that. Some countries, not the European Union as a whole, ban alcohol related commercials on TV and radio during the daytime (say, until 20:00).



#26 wrcva

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:37

my guess is 99% of FIA funding comes from F1.  More politically correct response from Todt would have been that FIA focuses on safety and sporting and does not get involved with ads, or messages put on cars, or venue selection.   F1 (as we know it) would not even exist or would have been totally different without tobacco and alcohol sponsorships that have been in place for years.    Plus, once upon a time there was a thing called personal responsibility...



#27 Gyno

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:39

They aren't.

Yes they are.

 

Only sproting events are allowed to have alcohol ads.



#28 Spillage

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:43

Voted yes, the teams need all the cash they can get right now. While we're at it (although I know it's outside of Todt's remit) tobacco advertising shouldn't be illegal either.

#29 Kristian

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:43

Banning alcohol on a practical level would reduce sponsorship levels even more - the likes of Coca Cola, etc. said they would never get involved in F1 due to its tobacco connotations. It gets banned, but they still didn't come in. So such a move would just restrict even more the pool of sponsors available to teams, and people would lose jobs. 

 

Also, as already said, seeing an advert on a car doesn't make me want to drink and drive. And we already have those awful superimposed ads from Bernie being all big brother and getting into our subconscious thoughts saying 'think before you drive', so its not exactly encouraging it. 

 

Its legal to advertise in most countries, therefore legal for a sport to advertise it too in these countries. Imagine making FIFA give up Budweiser sponsorship for the World Cup... 

 

Anything else just smacks of nanny state. 



#30 Talisman

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:45

Yes they are.

Only sproting events are allowed to have alcohol ads.


? Do you live in the EU? If so try switching on the Tv or flick through a magazine. Walk around town. Alcohol ads are very clearly not banned. Although I've just realised they might be banned in your specific country.

#31 superq7

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:47

Yes they are.

 

Only sproting events are allowed to have alcohol ads.

 

'sproting' is that a new sport Gyno ?  (sorry couldn't resist) lol  :up:



#32 Talisman

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:47

my guess is 99% of FIA funding comes from F1. More politically correct response from Todt would have been that FIA focuses on safety and sporting and does not get involved with ads, or messages put on cars, or venue selection. F1 (as we know it) would not even exist or would have been totally different without tobacco and alcohol sponsorships that have been in place for years. Plus, once upon a time there was a thing called personal responsibility...


Quite. Though did the FIA legislate the banning of tobacco sponsorship, was it FOM or was it voluntary by the teams?

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:49

In Portugal alcohol advertising is banned, so all beer companies (at least) have a non-alcoholic version that they promote non-stop.  :p



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:52

This is just a standard non-answer from Todt, said purely in an attempt to keep his fancy new job title (I doubt there's any actual work involved) and not start a fight with Bernie and the F1 teams.

It's not really his decision to make anyway. Alcohol and Motorsport won't have many more years together, eventually there'll be laws at EU or national level banning advertising on the sides of cars.

#35 Talisman

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:53

In Portugal alcohol advertising is banned, so all beer companies (at least) have a non-alcoholic version that they promote non-stop. :p


I heard its banned in India too, which is why mallya plastered his FI in kingfisher beer ads then used it heavily to promote his airline there.

#36 JHSingo

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 11:58

Good. And so it shouldn't.

 

All this about alcohol sponsorship and racing giving out mixed messages is a load of nonsense, quite frankly. There will still be people who are foolish to drink and drive, regardless of whether Williams is sponsored by Martini, or whatever. Just as people continued to smoke even when tobacco sponsorship was banned. It makes absolutely no difference.

 

Plus, where do you draw the line between what are acceptable sponsors, and what aren't? Energy drinks, for instance. If you drink them to excess, they're not a whole lot better for you than alcohol or tobacco. So should we ban Red Bull, Monster etc from sponsoring F1 teams too?

 

Or perhaps I've just given them another idea...



#37 wrcva

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:00

Quite. Though did the FIA legislate the banning of tobacco sponsorship, was it FOM or was it voluntary by the teams?

 

you are right.  It may have been Max who announced tobacco ban, in which case Todt could not punt the question.  



#38 scheivlak

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:01

Alcohol ads are already banned in EU.

Not where I live.



#39 tmekt

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:06

Yes they are.

Only sproting events are allowed to have alcohol ads.

The Audiovisual Media Services directive 2010/13:

Article 9(1)
1. Member States shall ensure that audiovisual commercial communications provided by media service providers under their jurisdiction comply with the following requirements:

(a) audiovisual commercial communications shall be readily recognisable as such.
Surreptitious audiovisual commercial communication shall be prohibited;

(b) audiovisual commercial communications shall not use subliminal techniques;

© audiovisual commercial communications shall not:
(i) prejudice respect for human dignity;
(ii) include or promote any discrimination based on sex, racial or ethnic origin, nationality, religion or belief, disability, age or sexual orientation;
(iii) encourage behaviour prejudicial to health or safety;
(iv) encourage behaviour grossly prejudicial to the protection of the environment;

(d) all forms of audiovisual commercial communications for cigarettes and other tobacco products shall be prohibited;

(e) audiovisual commercial communications for alcoholic beverages shall not be aimed specifically at minors and shall not encourage immoderate consumption of such beverages;

(f) audiovisual commercial communication for medicinal products and medical treatment available only on prescription in the Member State within whose jurisdiction the media service provider falls shall be prohibited;

(g) audiovisual commercial communications shall not cause physical or moral detriment to minors. Therefore they shall not directly exhort minors to buy or hire a product or service by exploiting their inexperience or credulity, directly encourage them to persuade their parents or others to purchase the goods or services being advertised, exploit the special trust minors place in parents, teachers or other persons, or unreasonably show minors in dangerous situations.

Maybe you're confusing it with the tobacco product advertising ban?

Of course, this doesn't stop invidual European countries introducing their own policies.

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:12

The Audiovisual Media Services directive 2010/13:
Maybe you're confusing it with the tobacco product advertising ban?

Of course, this doesn't stop invidual European countries introducing their own policies.

 

That's 5 year old, there is a new law that came into effect this year.

In Finland all alcohol ads are banned, even the ones on Trucks delivering alochol to stores and bars.

Close where I live is Sinebrychoff plant and they had a big Can of Beer next to the freeway , they had to turn it into a Battery Can.


Edited by Gyno, 28 May 2015 - 12:13.


#41 tmekt

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:25

That's 5 year old, there is a new law that came into effect this year.
In Finland all alcohol ads are banned, even the ones on Trucks delivering alochol to stores and bars.
Close where I live is Sinebrychoff plant and they had a big Can of Beer next to the freeway , they had to turn it into a Battery Can.

I'm well aware of the new Finnish law, I live in Finland as well. :) You were however talking about about a EU-wide ban in which Finnish parliament doesn't have a say. As far as I'm aware, that's the directive currently in effect, though I'm happy to be proven wrong. Even in Finland TV advertising of mild drinks is still allowed between 22-07.

It does have a bit more restrictions on alcohol advertising than what I quoted now that I found the full text, see here if interested: http://www.wipo.int/...?file_id=199673 (chapter VII, article 22)
Not a ban though, not even close.

Edited by tmekt, 28 May 2015 - 12:29.


#42 maximilian

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:28

As long as alcohol advertising remains legal the FIA should steer clear of legislating on it.

 

That about sums it up.  Thread closed.



#43 Kristian

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:29

 

 

Plus, where do you draw the line between what are acceptable sponsors, and what aren't? Energy drinks, for instance. If you drink them to excess, they're not a whole lot better for you than alcohol or tobacco. So should we ban Red Bull, Monster etc from sponsoring F1 teams too?

 

Or perhaps I've just given them another idea...

 

France banned Red Bull - though IIRC I don't remember Red Bull not being allowed to show their colours at the French Grand Prix. 



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:34

I don't have a problem with it.

 

I don't watch F1 and think, I will just drive to the shop for some Martini



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:38

In Portugal alcohol advertising is banned, so all beer companies (at least) have a non-alcoholic version that they promote non-stop.  :p

Makes sense!

 

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:40

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#47 Gyno

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:41

I'm well aware of the new Finnish law, I live in Finland as well. :) You were however talking about about a EU-wide ban in which Finnish parliament doesn't have a say. As far as I'm aware, that's the directive currently in effect, though I'm happy to be proven wrong. Even in Finland TV advertising of mild drinks is still allowed between 22-07.

It does have a bit more restrictions on alcohol advertising than what I quoted now that I found the full text, see here if interested: http://www.wipo.int/...?file_id=199673 (chapter VII, article 22)
Not a ban though, not even close.

 

I've heard it was EU-wide ban.

Just goes to show how ****ed up this country is.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:41

I don't have a problem with it.

 

I don't watch F1 and think, I will just drive to the shop for some Martini

That's not even what they think you're thinking. It's: "I'm gonna drink Martini and then drive to the shop"   :lol:


Edited by JeePee, 28 May 2015 - 12:42.


#49 Fastcake

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:48

Quite. Though did the FIA legislate the banning of tobacco sponsorship, was it FOM or was it voluntary by the teams?


The FIA never did ban tobacco sponsorship in the end. Max did try to implement a world motorsport tobacco ban at one point, but was under enough pressure from F1 teams (it wasn't just F1, but they had the most clout), and the EU and other governments he eventually dropped it. Presumably he was canny enough to realise the upcoming EU ban would effectively eliminate it anyway, solving the headache of how he could satisfy everyone, while protecting the Federation from any pressure or legal challenges.

Edited by Fastcake, 28 May 2015 - 12:56.


#50 427MkIV

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 13:07

Banning alcohol on a practical level would reduce sponsorship levels even more - the likes of Coca Cola, etc. said they would never get involved in F1 due to its tobacco connotations. It gets banned, but they still didn't come in. So such a move would just restrict even more the pool of sponsors available to teams, and people would lose jobs. 

 

Also, as already said, seeing an advert on a car doesn't make me want to drink and drive. And we already have those awful superimposed ads from Bernie being all big brother and getting into our subconscious thoughts saying 'think before you drive', so its not exactly encouraging it. 

 

Its legal to advertise in most countries, therefore legal for a sport to advertise it too in these countries. Imagine making FIFA give up Budweiser sponsorship for the World Cup... 

 

Anything else just smacks of nanny state. 

 

When did Coke say this? Because they sponsored cars in the Camel GT Series and races in the Winston Cup Series.

 

If a product is legal, it ought to be legal to advertise it.