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#1 MatthewA

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 21:08

Firstly, do forgive me if a thread has already been started on this topic - feel free to merge with any such existing topic if there is one! :drunk:

 

I've noticed that the FIA are looking for potential promotors to express interest in promoting the planned new Formula 2 championship: http://www.fia.com/invitation-tender

Here's a few details about the proposed Formula 2 from the call for expression of interest...
- Target for F2 to begin in 2016

- Calendar to include between 10 and 12 (inclusive) competitions of 2 races each

- "The Promoter is invited to propose a mechanism where the winner of the FIA F3 European
Championship would have access in the best possible conditions to a full season in the
Championship the year following the obtention of its title."

- "The Promoter is invited to propose mechanisms where each season the FIA F2 Championship
and its stakeholders would benefit from of privileged access and contacts with the FIA Formula
One World Championship stakeholders." ...interpret as you may :p

- Technical specifications for a "Transition F2" (first two years) and "Future F2"

- Regarding the "Future F2", "A hybrid approach is expected in the car concept", whilst the target season cost is "€ 1 million.- per season per car"

 

So what does everyone else make of this? :p



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#2 Prost1997T

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 21:11

Privileged access? I think they mean $$$. Hybrids will be too expensive, surely?



#3 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 21:12

So you've got like, 3-4 months to start a series from scratch. Get a car designed and built. Get teams to sign up for it, drivers to find budgets for it, etc etc. Because it has to be ready by the end of the current season and you need lots and lots of info about what kind of series it will be by, say, August.

 

The first GP2 car was testing in early summer 2004 for an April 2005 race.


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#4 Fastcake

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 21:34

You could always take over FR 3.5 from next season, which handily meets the transition technical specification, and has teams and circuits ready to go. Since they're going for a spec engine, Renault would be a perfect partner, and that'll solve the spat over the super licence points.



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Posted 29 May 2015 - 02:36

Privileged access? I think they mean $$$. Hybrids will be too expensive, surely?

 

Hybrids are not inherently expensive - developing new technology is. 

 

Super Formula/SuperGT/DTM use a common engine specification that has been tested with a hybrid attachment so maybe that could be adopted cheaply. 



#6 ronsingapore

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 03:45

So a promotor is kinda like the F2 version of FOM? This is different from a F1 GP Promotor, right?



#7 Jimisgod

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 06:00

Sounds like a massive waste of time and a dead end series... like the last F2.



#8 anbeck

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 08:06

Won't they just re-badge GP2 in the end?



#9 Rob29

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 08:16

Won't they just re-badge GP2 in the end?

Sounds the most sensible solution-F3000 & GP2 effectivlly replaced the original F2-far to many formulas now.around 1962 F.Junior covered everything that we now need FF,F4;F3 GP2;GP3 FR2.0;3.5;AutoGP



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Posted 29 May 2015 - 08:24

Won't they just re-badge GP2 in the end?

That will probably be their idea, way too many who visited a GP find the GP2 more exciting than F1 so they have to screw that up too of course  :well: 



#11 MatthewA

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 09:57

So a promotor is kinda like the F2 version of FOM? This is different from a F1 GP Promotor, right?

I believe that it is the case, yes :)



#12 Vibe

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 10:09

I never understood why F1 doesn't adopt the feeding series concept of MotoGP with F2 and F3,have the same race weekends on the same tracks on the same day.



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Posted 29 May 2015 - 10:24

I never understood why F1 doesn't adopt the feeding series concept of MotoGP with F2 and F3,have the same race weekends on the same tracks on the same day.

Something to do with Bernie having the commercial rights, and the fact he has 2 support series to go with the F1 weekend...



#14 Guizotia

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 10:45

Something to do with Bernie having the commercial rights, and the fact he has 2 support series to go with the F1 weekend...


Yes basically to do so wouldn't bring in any more cash.

#15 Radoye

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 13:52

The type of Formula 2 i'd like to see would be basically a budget-capped F1 with customer cars designed and run for the same set of technical rules and regulations as F1. Basically, a budget playground for potential full F1 constructor teams and room for young drivers to cut their teeth in F1 machinery. Have several regional Championships (Europe-Middle East, Australasia, Americas) with races run in support of F1 when the World Championship circus is in the region but also outside F1 weekends on tracks not visited by F1. Races to be run for half distance of a F1 Grand Prix (~150 km)

 

Make these "F2" cars eligible to run in the F1 race - if they manage to qualify, of course - but not eligible for constructor points.



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Posted 29 May 2015 - 14:29

The type of Formula 2 i'd like to see would be basically a budget-capped F1 with customer cars designed and run for the same set of technical rules and regulations as F1. Basically, a budget playground for potential full F1 constructor teams and room for young drivers to cut their teeth in F1 machinery. Have several regional Championships (Europe-Middle East, Australasia, Americas) with races run in support of F1 when the World Championship circus is in the region but also outside F1 weekends on tracks not visited by F1. Races to be run for half distance of a F1 Grand Prix (~150 km)

 

Make these "F2" cars eligible to run in the F1 race - if they manage to qualify, of course - but not eligible for constructor points.

 

I wouldn't be against this in the slightest. Budget capping isn't getting pushed through in F1 because of I imagine, a combination of resistance to the idea by the leading teams, plus worries about how it can be enforced against complex multi-department organisations such as Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, even Williams and McLaren have diversified from being pure racing teams with their varius offshoots (road car, hybrid, electronics etc.)

 

Whereas such an F2 would be both a blank sheet of paper with no existing vested interests, and at worst could be considered a trial run for such an idea to see how it worked.

 

Would also make the step up for teams less steep than it is coming from a spec series, and also means a struggling F1 team, rather than facing the choice of going bust or writing off their manufacturing resources and regrouping in a spec series, could simply downsize a little and build an F2 car instead.

 

I like that idea of regional championships as well, both in terms of being good for global motorsport and improve the economies of scale with a bigger market to sell cars to.

 

Although sadly all signs point to it being Yet Another Spec Series when it comes in. At least it should have proper teams this time though, instead of that centrally-run FPA-style thing.



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Posted 14 September 2015 - 08:53

So..... whats the latest?

 

Can't find anything online. I know GP2 was rumoured to be becoming FIA F2 but is that going ahead?



#18 HistoryFan

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 09:02

I think the plans are for 2017...



#19 Volcano70

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 20:05

I hope its not another dead-end series



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#20 TimRTC

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 21:17

Well it sounds like the only serious contender is the current GP2 series, in which case the whole thing is rather meaningless to fans and drivers, although great for GP2 as they will suddenly become the only good set-up to F1, given the superlicence point allocation.



#21 maximilian

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 00:12

With Renault pulling out of the WSR, wouldn't THAT have been an ideal series to take over by FIA and turn into F2? :confused:



#22 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 00:31

 

- Regarding the "Future F2", "A hybrid approach is expected in the car concept", whilst the target season cost is "€ 1 million.- per season per car"

 

 

What a load of garbage.  :down:

 

juddgv5.5.jpg

 

 

Superfund Formula had the RIGHT idea -- sadly it never took off.

 

:wave:  Cheap, powerful, reliable, faster than that nasty GP2... What more do they want?  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

 

FIA - honestly... :shakes head: Bunch of numpties.

 

How hard is it to put a cheap low-stressed 4.2 litre Judd V10 sportscar engine in the back, 24 hours between rebuilds (tough, reliable, bulletproof) and have nice, safe, CHEAP, RELIABLE 700hp trainer open wheel cars that actually sound good.  :confused:

 

F2 should be as close to F1 speed as possible,yes? :) somewhere faster than GP2 and slower than F1 woulld be ideal lap-time-wise!!!!!!   :cool:  :love:

 

If they want to  be more conservative, if FIA had any commonsense they would simply adopt Japanese Suepr Formula regulations as F2!?  :confused:

 


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 15 September 2015 - 00:40.


#23 Volcano70

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 00:46

What a load of garbage.  :down:

 

juddgv5.5.jpg

 

 

Superfund Formula had the RIGHT idea -- sadly it never took off.

 

:wave:  Cheap, powerful, reliable, faster than that nasty GP2... What more do they want?  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

 

FIA - honestly... :shakes head: Bunch of numpties.

 

How hard is it to put a cheap low-stressed 4.2 litre Judd V10 sportscar engine in the back, 24 hours between rebuilds (tough, reliable, bulletproof) and have nice, safe, CHEAP, RELIABLE 700hp trainer open wheel cars that actually sound good.  :confused:

 

F2 should be as close to F1 speed as possible,yes? :) somewhere faster than GP2 and slower than F1 woulld be ideal lap-time-wise!!!!!!   :cool:  :love:

 

If they want to  be more conservative, if FIA had any commonsense they would simply adopt Japanese Suepr Formula regulations as F2!?  :confused:

 

You mean Superleauge formula?

And I would like a SF-type series in Europe.

Why Judd? (just curious)



#24 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 03:15

 

Why Judd? (just curious)

 

Because it's a small neutral company with an off-the-shelf reliable V10 read to go.  :up:  :)   A V10 would put F2 one tier above GP2 and Renault World Series (who use the Formula 3000 V8s these days).

Judd Engines deserve some good sales, after they were stuffed around by Lotus in the Indycar engine debacle.



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 08:30

 

 

F2 should be as close to F1 speed as possible,yes? :) somewhere faster than GP2 and slower than F1 woulld be ideal lap-time-wise!!!!!!   :cool:  :love:

 

 

I don't think there's enough of a gap there to be honest. GP2 is already nipping at the heels of F1 (they're too fast in my opinion).



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 08:53

The racing world is quite convoluted. If you'd start from a blank sheet, you'd probably have something like F1, F2 and F3 (maybe more) series as a natural progression in terms of speed and complexity with the non-F1 series being spec and cheap to manage. All series race at the same tracks (same or consecutive weekend depending on how many series you want to run). The top-ranked drivers in a series might get some bonus (e.g. prize money for teams in a higher series to pick them up) to make it likely that success is rewarded. The financial entry barrier in the feeder series should be as low as reasonably possible for both teams and drivers.



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 09:30

If they want to  be more conservative, if FIA had any commonsense they would simply adopt Japanese Suepr Formula regulations as F2!?  :confused:

 

What about introducing DW12 as the chassis and having races at Rockingham and EuroSpeedway Lausitz? Maybe the thrill of oval racing would help to differentiate the series from F1 and make it a success.



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 15:00

A) The FIA will decide, rightly or wrongly, that it is their responsibility to create regulations, and non-FIA series should follow them.

B) The DW12 should be kept in America, and preferably under a cover.

:wave: Cheap, powerful, reliable, faster than that nasty GP2... What more do they want? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

FIA - honestly... :shakes head: Bunch of numpties.

How hard is it to put a cheap low-stressed 4.2 litre Judd V10 sportscar engine in the back, 24 hours between rebuilds (tough, reliable, bulletproof) and have nice, safe, CHEAP, RELIABLE 700hp trainer open wheel cars that actually sound good. :confused:

F2 should be as close to F1 speed as possible,yes? :) somewhere faster than GP2 and slower than F1 woulld be ideal lap-time-wise!!!!!! :cool: :love:

If they want to be more conservative, if FIA had any commonsense they would simply adopt Japanese Suepr Formula regulations as F2!? :confused:

What the FIA want is a manufacturer partner who will subsidise the engines, in order to lower costs and meet the stated maximum price, and who will be a reliable commercial partner to the series. Hence the hybrid angle - to get the attention of the large manufacturers. If it was just about a spec engine supply, Judd could do it (though that 4.2l V10 is a poor choice), but for commercial reasons an off the shelf engine builder wouldn't be suitable.

Edited by Fastcake, 15 September 2015 - 15:04.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 16:26

A) The FIA will decide, rightly or wrongly, that it is their responsibility to create regulations, and non-FIA series should follow them.

 

I strongly disagree about that. Monopoly is hardly ever a good thing, and it'd be even worse in motorsports when there are series with a strong FIA connection and series with a weak FIA connection (INDYCAR, NASCAR series). An example of FIA not treating series equally was when in the 90s CART (with a weak FIA connection) wasn't allowed to expand to road courses outside North America, just to protect FIA-sanctioned F1.

 

My opinion might be different if FIA were only a sanctioning body and had no role in running some series. But even then, it's maybe better that not all series follow a FIA rulebook. FIA has some rules better, INDYCAR others, NASCAR some others.



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 17:03

What a load of garbage.  :down:

 

 

If they want to  be more conservative, if FIA had any commonsense they would simply adopt Japanese Suepr Formula regulations as F2!?  :confused:

 

 

Do those cars have KERS or something? At the end of the first lap, the second car gets close quite quickly (and has some christmas lights on the roll hoop), and then the car that was just passed goes by again. Was that only drafting?

 

And who builds those cars?



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 17:29

Dallara

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 17:41

Do those cars have KERS or something? At the end of the first lap, the second car gets close quite quickly (and has some christmas lights on the roll hoop), and then the car that was just passed goes by again. Was that only drafting?


They have this:
 

The Overtake System (OTS) is an overtaking aid that works by leveraging the fuel flow restrictor (fuel flow rate control system) employed on the new engine. It can increase fuel supply temporarily to provide approximately five per cent of engine performance improvement. By pressing a button called OTB (Overtake Button) on the steering wheel, the system will be activated for 20 seconds per use. Drivers may use the OTS up to 5 times a race.

The status of the OTS use can easily be recognized by “Overtake Lamp (five small LEDs)” on the roll hoop. The number of lighted Lamp(s) shows the number of OTS activation,and on top of this they are blinking when the system is in use. The Lamps basically illuminate white while the championship leader comes with red lights called “Leader’s Red”. The Overtake Lamp system can only be seen in SUPER FORMULA.

http://superformula.net/sf/en/about/


I wish F1 could replace DRS with something similar.

#33 Prost1997T

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 17:41

The SF14 has a push-to-pass system similar to the one Indycar uses.

 

Edit: what ANF said


Edited by Prost1997T, 15 September 2015 - 17:42.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 18:35

I strongly disagree about that. Monopoly is hardly ever a good thing, and it'd be even worse in motorsports when there are series with a strong FIA connection and series with a weak FIA connection (INDYCAR, NASCAR series). An example of FIA not treating series equally was when in the 90s CART (with a weak FIA connection) wasn't allowed to expand to road courses outside North America, just to protect FIA-sanctioned F1.

 

My opinion might be different if FIA were only a sanctioning body and had no role in running some series. But even then, it's maybe better that not all series follow a FIA rulebook. FIA has some rules better, INDYCAR others, NASCAR some others.

 

Perhaps, but that's the way it is. The FIA sees itself as the global governing body so are going to make their own single-seater rules, and whatever anyone else is doing will get ignored. It's not entirely unreasonable to have everyone on the same page really, though that's probably not going to happen if they're not listening to anyone outside the group. Either way, this isn't the 90s any more, the FIA is (meant to be) treating all series equal, and they can't force anyone to run regulations they don't want to use.

 

Though it's funny you mention the American governing bodies, as the US arguably has an even worse case of not invented here syndrome...



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 19:25


Though it's funny you mention the American governing bodies, as the US arguably has an even worse case of not invented here syndrome...

 

:rotfl: In what sense? Don't start me on manufacturer participation in IMSA vs WEC. They're also using F4 regulations in two upcoming single seater series (with the same Mygales that run in the UK and Australia), and another two established ones (on the Indycar ladder) will use them as a basis for new chassis.



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 20:24

Privileged access? I think they mean $$$. Hybrids will be too expensive, surely?

 

I don't know. Maybe they're thinking of cheap, conventional engines to which some sort of KERS-type system could be added - i.e. something not integral to the engine. That's pretty old hat now and might be available at an affordable cost. Still won't be as cheap as non-hybrid, though.

 

Last time F2 was launched they got Williams to make the chassis. They might also have some cheap and cheerful self-contained flywheel or battery-based stuff that could be used.

 

For a category that's about driver development, it doesn't have to be cutting edge, but you do want something that harvests energy from the rear axle under braking, since that's something F1 drivers have to be able to deal with.



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 21:29

What about introducing DW12 as the chassis and having races at Rockingham and EuroSpeedway Lausitz? Maybe the thrill of oval racing would help to differentiate the series from F1 and make it a success.

Well, Lausitz and Rockingham will need SAFER barriers before any of that will be thought of in reality  :well:  :well:



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 22:01

Hey FIA just do this for y'all beloved Euro-series:

 

#1: F1

 

#2: F2/GP2

#3: F3.5/Renault/Alguersuari Snr whatever race series

#4: GP3

#5: F3

 

Change names if people get freaked out over the name of the series and deduct the points accordingly. Ain't that hard, ain't it Todt&co.



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 06:15

If Dallara builds those cars (why did I even bother to ask...?), that would make them a real possibility for F2 cars (if they were built in Japan, maybe it would be a logistical problem ... and maybe politically the FIA would prefer to go with Dallara than an Asian firm?).

 

If they could use a car that is also used elsewhere, there'd be a market for used cars and maybe you could hold an F3-like race of champions at the end of the season, where the best teams/drivers from all the championships compete against each other.

 

Would it be better for the new F2 to travel with F1 (at least for the European season) as does GP2, or would it be better for them to be their own headliner (like F3.5)? There are good arguments for both, but particularly the spotlight during F1 weekends and the drivers learning the tracks would be an argument in favour of the former. But then they will either have to simply rebadge GP2 to F2, or they'd have to get rid of GP2 during F1 weekends to make space...

 

It probably doesn't make sense for them, but I'd like a European F2 championship to have their own distinctive calendar, maybe with classic circuits that aren't on the F1 calendar anymore. They could go to Brands Hatch, Imola, Zandvoort (maybe with the DTM), Paul Ricard, Estoril, Jarama, Hockenheim - most of which have an F2 history or go to traditional places that didn't have a big international race in a long time (Sweden)... they will not do it, because being present during an F1 weekend has so many advantages, but then again it would make it a distinctive series, which could develop it's own history, rather than being the appendix to F1.



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 06:59

The FIA sees itself as the global governing body so are going to make their own single-seater rules,

 

Why?

 

F2 World Championship > Should replaces GP2

F2 European Championship > Replaces WSR

F2 Japanese Championship > Replaces Super Formula

F2 South-East Asian Championship > Replaces GP2 Asia

 

All the championships would use the same rules as Japanese Super Formula -- some more engine suppliers would be just merry. :)

 

It's so simple, yet you suppose FIA are not capable to do this.  :well:



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 07:02

#2: F2/GP2

#3: F3.5/Renault/Alguersuari Snr whatever race series

#4: GP3

#5: F3

 

 

#2 should be the same as #3

 

#4 same as #5

 

#6: Formula 4

#7: Formula Ford

 

Need to be the same.

 

Level 2 and 3 NEED to be merged. Same goes for Level 4 and 5.  Same goes for level 6 and 7.

Seperate series on nearly the same teir is sheer madness.

 

Personally I think Formula 4 is a joke, given how strongly established Formula Ford is... F4 should instead be a rebranded Formula Ford.  Making more tiers is a joke, and NOT AT ALL the way to fix the problems. :/



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 12:16

Why?

F2 World Championship > Should replaces GP2
F2 European Championship > Replaces WSR
F2 Japanese Championship > Replaces Super Formula
F2 South-East Asian Championship > Replaces GP2 Asia

All the championships would use the same rules as Japanese Super Formula -- some more engine suppliers would be just merry. :)

It's so simple, yet you suppose FIA are not capable to do this. :well:

Er, I said why. The FIA creates the rules, so they will create them, not adapt someone else's. Haven't you ever worked in an organisation that always wants to do things their own way?


Formula Ford is dead in Europe by the way. And the Ecoboost engines are eligible for F4, so it basically was a rebrand, at least in the UK. Berger coming up with Formula 4 to replace the failing national Formula Ford/BMW/Renault 2.0 was one of the better ideas in recent years.

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 14:48

Er, I said why. The FIA creates the rules, so they will create them, not adapt someone else's. Haven't you ever worked in an organisation that always wants to do things their own way?


Formula Ford is dead in Europe by the way. And the Ecoboost engines are eligible for F4, so it basically was a rebrand, at least in the UK. Berger coming up with Formula 4 to replace the failing national Formula Ford/BMW/Renault 2.0 was one of the better ideas in recent years.

 

Wrong again. Formula Ford championships exist in the UK (including separate Scottish and Irish regional variants), Finland and Denmark. The Formula Ford Festival and Walter Hayes Trophy in England attract dozens of entries. There are also active FF championships in the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia.

 

Last time I checked Formula Renault 2.0 had three championships, of which the Eurocup had 35 entries at the last round in Nurburgring. Hardly "failing".

 

French "F4" is actually a Formula Renault 1.6 championship, and BRDC "F4" doesn't follow FIA regs either, so no F4 graduates have done anything of note yet in the international sphere. Well, unless you count Lance Stroll's dangerous driving. :lol:



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 15:06

Wrong again. Formula Ford championships exist in the UK (including separate Scottish and Irish regional variants), Finland and Denmark. The Formula Ford Festival and Walter Hayes Trophy in England attract dozens of entries. There are also active FF championships in the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia.

 

Last time I checked Formula Renault 2.0 had three championships, of which the Eurocup had 35 entries at the last round in Nurburgring. Hardly "failing".

 

French "F4" is actually a Formula Renault 1.6 championship, and BRDC "F4" doesn't follow FIA regs either, so no F4 graduates have done anything of note yet in the international sphere. Well, unless you count Lance Stroll's dangerous driving. :lol:

 

Yeah F4 is still in the early days and see how it goes, but I remember ages ago bemoaning the fact there was FFord/BMW/Renault/Opel etc. as opposed to a single unified F4 so I'm not going to criticise the FIA for trying to implement it.

 

The only drawback I can see is while there is a nice variety of chassis and engines across the national championships, individual championships are all one-make and some of the engines seem to be build to different specifications. Hopefully over time things will converge a bit with a set of rules applying to all national championships and any F4-legal package is legal in every country. That might open up the possibility of some sort of Masters/Festival style event where F4 competitors from different countries can compete against each other on a one-off basis.



#45 Fastcake

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 16:14

Wrong again. Formula Ford championships exist in the UK (including separate Scottish and Irish regional variants), Finland and Denmark. The Formula Ford Festival and Walter Hayes Trophy in England attract dozens of entries. There are also active FF championships in the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia.

Last time I checked Formula Renault 2.0 had three championships, of which the Eurocup had 35 entries at the last round in Nurburgring. Hardly "failing".

French "F4" is actually a Formula Renault 1.6 championship, and BRDC "F4" doesn't follow FIA regs either, so no F4 graduates have done anything of note yet in the international sphere. Well, unless you count Lance Stroll's dangerous driving. :lol:


Yes there's still Formula Ford in the UK, but it's mainly club racing or historics. It's no longer on the single-seater "ladder" to F1 and producing top drivers like it once did, which is what I was meaning by pronouncing it dead as a category. And there are three Formula Renault 2.0 championships still going, but at one point there was multiple national series across most countries in Western Europe - Britain had two alone. If Renault decide to pull support, and that's unfortunately quite likely now they've quit FR 3.5, how long is it going to keep going?

There has been a real retrenchment in single-seater racing since the financial crash. Dozens of junior series, national F3 and spec feeder formula have all suffered grid reductions or have been forced to stop running. I don't know whether or not the new FIA designed ladder is going to be a success, but it's clear they had to step in and attempt something.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 19:16

The World Motor Sport Council gave a mandate to the President to formalise the contract between the FIA and the GP2 promoter for the establishment of the FIA Formula 2 Championship to complete the FIA’s single-seater pyramid from Karting to Formula One.



#47 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 19:30

Hold on hold on. Since when are GP2 a promoter? I guess they could run the series, but beyond that...



#48 Prost1997T

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 20:22

Can't see them meeting the specified budget level either.



#49 Viryfan

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 20:25

Hold on hold on. Since when are GP2 a promoter? I guess they could run the series, but beyond that...

 

 

GP2 will morph on to F2.

 

They will get a turbo engine in 2017.



#50 TheRacingElf

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 20:28

GP2 will morph on to F2.

 

They will get a turbo engine in 2017.

Problem of GP2 cars sounding better than F1 cars solved in a way only the FIA can