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#51 HistoryFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 09:50

The World Motor Sport Council gave a mandate to the President to formalise the contract between the FIA and the GP2 promoter for the establishment of the FIA Formula 2 Championship to complete the FIA’s single-seater pyramid from Karting to Formula One.

So that would be the end of GP3 I think...



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#52 Victor_RO

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 10:45

So that would be the end of GP3 I think...

 

Good. The ladder needs to be simplified again.



#53 noikeee

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:52

I honestly don't see why the ladder necessarily needs to be "simplified". The current status gives drivers multiple choices to search for one that fits them in their stage of their careers. And it's not like the talent is too spread around the series making the level low, because all the series that matter are international and have fierce competition. You have FR2.0 at lower level, then F3 / GP3, then WSR / GP2. Those are all that matters and the talent is heavily concentrated there. Nothing like the past when the real talent was spread around multiple national F3 series and it was a massive mess (nevermind the fact cars weren't spec so whilst that was great for teams and engineers to develop themselves; it made talent spotting for drivers much harder). It might not be an easy ladder to comprehend for the fans, but it's not like the drivers and the F1 teams scouting them have trouble getting it.

 

The only major problem is cost really, which has gone super silly. So it makes sense FIA might try to concentrate everything in their hands and try to force costs down. However a concentration of power is also a very good way to ramp up cost. Isn't this pretty much what happened a few years ago when GP2 was hyped up as the one and only path to F1? (around 2005-2008) It grown so much in popularity the promoters and the teams saw a great opportunity to start ripping off the drivers and their sponsors. I'm concerned that rebranding GP2 to F2 and making it the centre of the universe, possibly killing the only alternative of the WSR in the process (well it's not like the FIA has to do much there, Renault has already taken care of that), might end up being counterproductive.


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#54 Marklar

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 08:28

That will change in 2017 when GP2 will probably become F2...

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I'm a bit amused that they want hybrid engines and longer races, but want also to reduce costs. How?

Edited by Marklar, 29 December 2015 - 08:29.


#55 Kev00

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 10:33

That will change in 2017 when GP2 will probably become F2...

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I'm a bit amused that they want hybrid engines and longer races, but want also to reduce costs. How?

Why on earth have they gone from grade A license to grade B? This is the drivers racing licence isn't it?

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 10:51

Why on earth have they gone from grade A license to grade B? This is the drivers racing licence isn't it?


Because there is a finite number of A licence youngsters with £1m a year to waste, let alone to fill the also ran slots, hence the merry go round of drivers at the bavk of the grid and teams like Hilmer missing events all together.

By reducing the licensing requirements you can attract the gentleman racers with cash to burn in return for a bit of fun 'racing' for 20th position.

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 10:58


I'm a bit amused that they want hybrid engines and longer races, but want also to reduce costs. How?

 

Were do you have this from?

 

I think the lower costs is about spare parts and dues for FOM/GP2 organiation...



#58 Marklar

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 11:00

Were do you have this from?
 
I think the lower costs is about spare parts and dues for FOM/GP2 organiation...

From the official F2 twitter

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#59 TheRacingElf

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 11:08

DRS :down:  Hybrid :down:

 

Why can't they just create 1 racing series that I as a motorsport enthousiast and petrolhead can still enjoy, just 1 series that is purely about racing without all this artificial bullshit and green rubbish!?



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Posted 29 December 2015 - 11:17

DRS :down:  Hybrid :down:

 

Why can't they just create 1 racing series that I as a motorsport enthousiast and petrolhead can still enjoy, just 1 series that is purely about racing without all this artificial bullshit and green rubbish!?

 

gp3,f3.....



#61 TheRacingElf

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 11:20

gp3,f3.....

They are going to get ruined too, they started with F1 and then it was GP2's turn, so it's inevitable for F3 and GP3 to get screwed up as well...



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Posted 29 December 2015 - 11:24

I understand GP2 has been an excellent series to watch in the past, but their priority is to graduate drivers to F1 hence they need their racing and technology to be as close to F1 as possible. It's only natural they introduce DRS and hybrid systems.



#63 Nathan

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 12:55

I agree with you on the DRS, but I'm not so sure about the hybrid system considering these days its deployment is pretty much automated.  One thing ladders to F1 don't need are more costs as in the end it just dilutes the talent pool.



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Posted 30 December 2015 - 00:32

I agree with you on the DRS, but I'm not so sure about the hybrid system considering these days its deployment is pretty much automated.  One thing ladders to F1 don't need are more costs as in the end it just dilutes the talent pool.

I just don't get the point of a hybrid engine in a feeder series. In F1 you can justify it in a way that the manufacturers use the formula to develop their technology whereas you don't have that in a single spec feeder series. I don't see what it adds apart from higher costs.

 

Maybe If they allow different engine manufactures in it would make a little bit more sense but in that case I still don't see many manufactures lining up to build a hybrid F2 engine and start an engine war. The costs to develop a hybrid F1 engine are already almost unjustifiable, let alone developing a hybrid engine for a feeder series that realistically nobody apart from racing enthusiasts watches.

 

To me it comes across as F2 having to have a hybrid engine just have a hybrid engine, I just can't come up with a logical reason why it needs to be "hybrid"



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Posted 30 December 2015 - 09:40

I agree thet hybrid engines just drive the cost up and reduce the chances of good drivers instead of well funded drivers getting the seats.



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Posted 30 December 2015 - 10:46

I agree thet hybrid engines just drive the cost up and reduce the chances of good drivers instead of well funded drivers getting the seats.


Why would hybrid engines drive up the cost? It will be a spec engine so no development race, and the series is aimed at being cheaper than GP2.

The issue is allowing lower graded, but well funded, drivers into the series.

#67 maverick69

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 12:56

The Zytek KERS is not that expensive in relative terms - and I imagine that is the system they'll go for.

#68 Nathan

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 14:03

Not expensive relatively, but it still costs money to build the systems and develop it to work with the package.  Maybe this only adds $100k to a cars annual running cost, I don't know, but it is a cost increase none the less when they really don't need to be doing so.



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Posted 30 December 2015 - 14:19

Not expensive relatively, but it still costs money to build the systems and develop it to work with the package. Maybe this only adds $100k to a cars annual running cost, I don't know, but it is a cost increase none the less when they really don't need to be doing so.


You seem to have ignored the release by the F2 organisers stating they are aiming to bring the season in cheaper than GP2.

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 14:37

You seem to have ignored the release by the F2 organisers stating they are aiming to bring the season in cheaper than GP2.

 

I'll believe that when I see it. Have they said anything about international travel? Spare parts costs? The next chassis?


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#71 Nathan

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 14:53

You would have to be pretty opulent not to be cheaper than GP2.



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Posted 30 December 2015 - 15:27

A hybrid engine shouldn't significant alter costs if it's a spec unit in place for multiple seasons. It's the cost of constant development that raises costs, not the increasingly mature technology.

In theory, it should be easier to be cheaper than GP2 given how overly expensive it is. But with the FIA handing the series to the same people at the Formula One Group who presumably wouldn't have entered into the deal if it lost them money, and the exorbitant costs of running at a Grand Prix event, it's hard to see just how it can be.