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[Ross Stonefeld]

Err I think the biggest issue with that movie was the entire middle that was fabricated. Ie Christian Bale having to sit at home when in reality he actually raced at Le Mans.

[Risil]

The end of the race spoilt it, perpetuating the bullshit story about starting positions affecting the result. A dying myth brought back to life for another generation. I think that's why I tend to prefer either proper documentaries or full on fiction, not the "based on a true story" middle ground.

Tbh I found that part incredibly difficult to follow.

[Collombin]

Tbh I found that part incredibly difficult to follow.

Good, I hope everyone did!

Essentially it showed a dead heat (or Miles actually very slightly ahead if you freeze frame it, but I think a dead heat was the intention) and then a PA announcement that McLaren/Amon won because they had started further back and therefore travelled further.

Of course in real life there was no question that McLaren finished ahead of Miles and so the starting position tie breaker never needed to be invoked (if indeed the ACO hadn't just invented that rule on the spot to persuade Ford management - the real villains of the piece - not to even attempt such a thing).

[Collombin]

Err I think the biggest issue with that movie was the entire middle that was fabricated. Ie Christian Bale having to sit at home when in reality he actually raced at Le Mans.

That was creating a new myth, not perpetuating an old one. Yeah, maybe that does make it worse actually.

[TecnoRacing]

I case anyone missed the news, the in-development-since-forever Michael Mann Ferrari project is finally filming, with Adam Driver playing Enzo...

 

[BRG]

That's a triumph of casting!  They must have scoured the acting profession to find someone who looked absolutely nothing like the Commendatore.  Even Remo Girone in 'Ford vs Ferrari' looked more like Enzo, and he was badly cast.

 

As for F1 themes, a biopic of Graham Hill could have a lot of the right bits to it - chap joins Lotus as a mechanic, gets into racing, wins WC in a BRM (!!), and then for Lotus, dominates Monaco for a generation, wins Indy, suffers dreadful crash, fights back to race again, wins Le Mans despite unconvinced team-mate Pescarolo, starts own team, and the final tragic dénouement of the plane crash.  Then as a coda, the success of his son.   Pure Hollywood.  But who to cast as Hill?

[FLB]

I case anyone missed the news, the in-development-since-forever Michael Mann Ferrari project is finally filming, with Adam Driver playing Enzo...

 

 

 

In the top right corner, you can see him shaking the hand of sometime FIA WEC driver Patrick Dempsey, who is playing Piero Taruffi. The movie is apparently centered around the '57 Mille Miglia, which Taruffi won. 

 

The other interesing bit that this movie had been in development limbo since... 1991.

Edited by FLB, 22 October 2022 - 19:43.

[SidepodDavid]

Is there a list of racing movies available to peruse somewhere? I would be interested in it if there were.

[jonpollak]

He was damn good in the Gaga film.
Jp

[MaxCrazyEddieCayer]

We had the best Hollywood version of F1 in 2021. No need for movies anymore. 😂

[kumo7]

Next film with Brad Pitt is about Ron Dennis, I assume.

I mean it is not a documentary, but a fictive figure, mechanic, founder, champion, car business, and be dismissed.


I know nothing about any facts, but picking the names i can only imagine that Brad Pitt is too old to play the role of any active racer.
I personally would have liked Da Caprio doing Ron just because he can make thing more intense while attracting female audiences and film critics. Pitt is cool tho, but a bit too sweet in my taste to act as Ron Dennis..,

Hope for a strong film, but i think it will be a tea table film..

[DeKnyff]

That's a triumph of casting!  They must have scoured the acting profession to find someone who looked absolutely nothing like the Commendatore.  Even Remo Girone in 'Ford vs Ferrari' looked more like Enzo, and he was badly cast.

 

As for F1 themes, a biopic of Graham Hill could have a lot of the right bits to it - chap joins Lotus as a mechanic, gets into racing, wins WC in a BRM (!!), and then for Lotus, dominates Monaco for a generation, wins Indy, suffers dreadful crash, fights back to race again, wins Le Mans despite unconvinced team-mate Pescarolo, starts own team, and the final tragic dénouement of the plane crash.  Then as a coda, the success of his son.   Pure Hollywood.  But who to cast as Hill?

 

Had David Niven lived in the present day, he would have been an obvious choice.

[chdphd]

Is there a list of racing movies available to peruse somewhere? I would be interested in it if there were.

 

https://en.wikipedia...to_racing_films

[BRG]

Had David Niven lived in the present day, he would have been an obvious choice.

My Dad would have been a good bit of casting.  He had the chin for it.  Pity he wasn't an actor!

[SophieB]

Has anyone ever seen Bobby Deerfield? I’m presuming it stinks but curious to know for sure.

[Beri]

Had David Niven lived in the present day, he would have been an obvious choice.

 
Peter Sellers wouldnt have done a terrible job either.
 
Yet, from the current mainstream actors, I cant see any further than Peaky Blinders actor Paul Anderson
 

[Alex79]

I'm really interested in 2 Win, Daniel Brühls new project about the war in group b rally in 1983 between Audi and Lancia. Brühl is playing Audi team leader Roland Gumpert and Walter Rohrl is in it as well, played by Volker Bruch. group b was wat got me addicted to car racing together with Paris Dakar so let's see how it pans out

[Gravelngrass]

As many have said, modern F1 lends itself more to comedy or dramedy than anything. Everything is kind of corporate and boring, with drivers all so similar in terms of scripted public behavior and, apparently, pretty boring private lives as well. Sadly, when it comes to cars, Hollywood seems to believe that pushing the accelerator creates some kind of magic that makes the car suddenly rocket ahead of everything in its path. The F&F franchise being so successful gives a hint of what a pretty large part of the movie-going public likes in terms of cars movies. As such, I don’t hold any big hope for the Pitt movie, which, apparently, will be inspired by the original Top Gun…

Having said that, there are many documentaries that are fantastic and lots of actual racing footage that can be found from all categories. My favorites are probably the one about the evolution of safety in F1 where you can actually compare the stakes of racing in the past to today (that alone is better than anything a fictionalization can provide)and a history of rallying that I found on YouTube. The part about the “killer Bs” is probably some of the scariest and most impressive driving I have ever seen. So yeah, IMO better spend your time watching something real and truly amazing than an interpretation of someone who probably doesn’t understand racing at all and has never even driven a stick shift…

[rodnet1]

Has anyone ever seen Bobby Deerfield? I’m presuming it stinks but curious to know for sure.

I have seen it long, long time ago. Much as I normally enjoy the acting of Pacino and love the sight of Marthe Keller, it was a really bad movie. It is most certainly much more of a romantic drama than a racing film and the racing scenes (with the gorgeous red Martini-Brabham Pacino is driving) are ok'ish but rather dull and there are not that many of them. Expect lots of deeply dull dialogue and some rather nice European scenery and that's about it.

[BRG]

As many have said, modern F1 lends itself more to comedy or dramedy than anything.

 

"Carry On Up The 'Ring"

 

An Atlas TNF Production

 

Featuring Syd James as Enzo Ferrari

Kenneth Williams as Graham Hill

Jim Dale as Jimmy Clark

Hattie Jacques as Louis Stanley

Barbara Windsor as Bette Hill......

[Dolph]

I have seen it long, long time ago. Much as I normally enjoy the acting of Pacino and love the sight of Marthe Keller, it was a really bad movie. It is most certainly much more of a romantic drama than a racing film and the racing scenes (with the gorgeous red Martini-Brabham Pacino is driving) are ok'ish but rather dull and there are not that many of them. Expect lots of deeply dull dialogue and some rather nice European scenery and that's about it.

 

Agreed.

[Risil]

Sid James as Enzo Ferrari would have been a very entertaining piece of (mis)casting.

[pRy]

[LittleChris]

Taken a while to come into being given it was written by Troy Kennedy Martin ( Z Cars, The Italian Job ) who  died 14 years ago.!

 

Ferrari (2023 film) - Wikipedia