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[OO7]

I would keep the fuel flow limit (but increase it by 20% or so) and FORCE them to start the race with something like 130 kilos of fuel. No more boring fuel saving.

Give them raceable tyres and you wouldn't need to force them to start with 130kg.

[inox]

Apart from being "1000", I don't know how it would bring better racing.

 

Imagine how much life it brings to discussion forums. All the anticipation and debating for and against the 1000 bhp engines. It must be good for F1!  

 

Back to your real "question". These current engines are just too easy on power delivery. Just watch the final corner at Monaco. They used to get sideways there when laying down the power. Now they go on rails. It's probably down to ERS system, which as far as I have understood, stabilizes the drive greatly. Now, if they bring more wider and grippier tires, it becomes even easier for drivers to control wheelspin. I would like to see all the actions possible which would make drivers life harder. 

 

In a superficial world superficiality is king. 

 

1000 hp  

It's loud  

It's pretty 

 

These things will do nothing for the long term health of the sport. It's completely missing the point.

 

The amount of fuel used in F1 plays so minor part in the sustainability of the sport. The increase of 20 kg / race would probably cost 50 €. Imagine how much more effect bringing back refueling would have. It would be thousand times more expensive and would have much higher carbon footprint as well. And it really doesn't improve the show. People want to see the fastest cars on the planet and if GP2 cars keep beating F1 cars on speeds and sounds, something needs to be done. I guess there is no way to make F1 turbo engines sound as powerful as those naturally aspirated GP2 engines, but at least power increase would help sound issues a bit and you would be at least beating them on speed. Also, for the sustainability of sport we have to see newspapers headlines like "Formula 1 returns with a big bang using monstrous 1000 bhp engines!" It is essential for people who are currently not watching F1 to see something where they sense a danger and excitement. Nobody will start to watch F1 because of efficient engines. That needs to be understood. And while they would be using more fuel, the efficiency would not necessarily have to suffer. They would be harvesting more energy as well. I would go as far as saying that introducing wider tires would hurt efficiency more than making engines more powerful. 

Edited by inox, 01 June 2015 - 20:09.

[Pingguest]

Efficency is key for many stakeholders, not at least the car manufacturers. One cannot deny the importance of their presence, as it brings more prestige and competition, at least in the view of the casual fan. If Formula One leaves abandons the regulation that promotes efficiency, Renault, Mercedes-Benz and Honda will probably leave.

Although the current breed of cars not the most demanding physically, they are technically one of the hardest to drive in Formula One's history. Indeed, GP2 are closing in terms of pure speed, but that is only because these cars are still developed around an obselete philosophy.
Meanwhile, it is inevitable that series converge without intervention. As the human body has its limits about coping with forces, speeds must be controlled. One limitations have been set, it is easier to go to those very limits.

[micktosin]

The poll results says it all I guess.

[inox]

Efficency is key for many stakeholders, not at least the car manufacturers. One cannot deny the importance of their presence, as it brings more prestige and competition, at least in the view of the casual fan. If Formula One leaves abandons the regulation that promotes efficiency, Renault, Mercedes-Benz and Honda will probably leave.

Although the current breed of cars not the most demanding physically, they are technically one of the hardest to drive in Formula One's history. Indeed, GP2 are closing in terms of pure speed, but that is only because these cars are still developed around an obselete philosophy.
Meanwhile, it is inevitable that series converge without intervention. As the human body has its limits about coping with forces, speeds must be controlled. One limitations have been set, it is easier to go to those very limits.

 

Increasing power does not mean reducing efficiency. And it is highly unlikely that any team would leave due to moderate increase in fuel allowance. Renault considers its participation anyway, but it has nothing to do with fuel flow limits. It would be totally different story if they were forced to return to naturally aspirated engines.

 

If they really wanted to pay attention to efficiency, they should be downsizing the engines even further. Even as low as 1.2 litres. They would need to use more revs, but in a way that would help also road car engines. They would need to start studying how to make really small cylinders efficient. In the future, most of the engines will be under 1 litre units and most likely 3-cylinder ones. In that sense the current V6 is quite good format as it is relative to 3-cylinder units.

 

I don't agree about current cars being harder to drive. It certainly doesn't look so. They go on rails. Perhaps they need to control more buttons now, but they don't need to drive the cars on limit anymore, except on the qualifying.

Edited by inox, 01 June 2015 - 21:45.