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#901 Niceone

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 13:10

And not a single **** was given...

Yes..too bad you don't get points for fastest lap time: Räikkönen is now 2nd in "fastest lap of the race" all time charts. Yesterday he passed  Alain Prost, only Michael Schumacher is in front.

 

 

Räikkönen has now as many "fastest lap of the race" as Hamilton and Senna combined.



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#902 sportingcp

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 13:52

I find a bit annoying that I see so much people complaining about how the races are boring and all of that. If we compare with other years and "eras" I don´t think that, in comparision, the races are so boring to be honest (in general of course some are more then others). Just because there is a dominant team, it doesn´t mean necessarily that the races are boring, and i´m not a Mercedes fan, but they´re simply doing the better job.


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#903 sennafan24

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 14:38

WORST GRAND PRIX EVER!

 

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 14:46

WORST GRAND PRIX EVER!

 

 

If you seriously think that then you can't have seen many Gp's as I can think of dozens that were far, far worse.



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Posted 08 June 2015 - 15:20

If you seriously think that then you can't have seen many Gp's as I can think of dozens that were far, far worse.

I was making light of the mass overreaction

 

I agree with you  :up:



#906 Hamandeggs

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 15:37

There`s more to f1 than crash bang wallop and cars aqua planning and giving ever changing situations and surprise tho welcome victories......... I concur to a degree that some races are boring for Neutrals and danger freaks :wave:

 

when you follow a certain driver nothings boring ,As a Lewis fan its damn tense hoping he can hang on to a 1-2 second lead with reports of fuel issues then the realisation that 4 wins = 1 retirement to Rosbergs 4 seconds. Don't blame the drivers or cars blame the permitted over management by teams . If I were a Ferrari fan the races wouldn't be boring at all I`d be enthused at the next step up and the chase that WILL earn Vettel a non - inherited or conditions enhanced victory. I hated the Red Bull dominated era purely as Vettell did seem to be favoured and because of that Webbers victories at Monaco and Silverstone were magic moments.But I never hated F1

 

True fans look further than the odd overtake or bumper car races for enjoyment.There are always races within races.Imola 2014 and japan were good examples of what initially appeared to be in imola an easy rosberg win, F1 works in degrees of seconds and Hamiltons win there and in japan were classic chase down wins if not perhaps in the same category of Mansell /piquet or hakkinen /Schumacher at Spa ...

 

I wonder if Murray Walker was still  commentating , would he have made some races appear more interesting:)


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#907 discover23

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 17:35

Yeah I went to the last race (Monaco) - first race I've been to since the new engine regs came in - and I was really disappointed. I haven't been a big critic of the lack of noise, but the whole weekend just felt a bit flat with these new cars. Too quiet, too much fuel and tyre conservation going on. There's a real lack of violence about the cars these days, the GP2 cars seemed more spectacular. Also the lack of Kangaroo TV sucked. If Bernie expects us to rely on a mobile app at the track to know what's going on, he needs to sort out the fact that mobile coverage always crashes at these events.

I feel people in Montreal still go to this because it is the perfect time of the year . The weather is awesome and people just love to be outdoors after the brutal winters there. Plus you still have the fanatics like me who love F1 regardless.
Other than that, I don't really see any motivation for why someone who is not very into F1 would attend this event.
I LOL at the 20 yr old kid wearing ear plugs. I was thinking ..seriously dude, wtf? 11 years ago, at the hairpin, almost everyone had them on since those V10s were so freaking loud and the cars were impressive.

Edited by discover23, 08 June 2015 - 17:51.


#908 SophieB

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 17:56

Some kind person has uploaded Will Stevens' radio rant about Grojean. Watch it and enjoy before it vanishes into the electronic abyss!

 



#909 D28

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 00:46

I feel people in Montreal still go to this because it is the perfect time of the year . The weather is awesome and people just love to be outdoors after the brutal winters there. Plus you still have the fanatics like me who love F1 regardless.
Other than that, I don't really see any motivation for why someone who is not very into F1 would attend this event.
I LOL at the 20 yr old kid wearing ear plugs. I was thinking ..seriously dude, wtf? 11 years ago, at the hairpin, almost everyone had them on since those V10s were so freaking loud and the cars were impressive.

This may be true of younger folks who have no where near the funds for very expensive grandstand seating. Typically they have paid general admission, lugged in coolers of beer and enjoyed a bit of the sound and atmosphere of the GP.The organizers cynically ensure that GA can see as little of the cars as possible, to the extent of placing buntings at strategic spots where they might be viewed briefly.

This is one major drawback of the circuit, a man-made island flat as a pancake with no terracing or any elevation changes.

The previous V10s and V8s could certainly be heard and even felt, so there was some incentive to hang out at the circuit. Now with no viewing and no real sound effects, one wonders why they would even bother to pay for GA.  

Not as if Montreal lacks for other places to hang out on a warm summer day.



#910 CoolBreeze

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 03:09

Kimi Raikonen fastest lap? Who cares. If you finished 19th and get a fastest lap, who cares? If you finished 2nd and score the fastest lap...again..who cares? It's the top step that people care. 

 

Kimi had a golden opportunity this weekend. Vettel was behind, and the Merc boys was ahead. The least he could do, was split them. Or, finish where he started. Instead, he spun off. Could be his mistake, or something went wrong with the car. Either way, it didn't look good for him. 

 

If it was the other way round, Vettel i think would have taken the fight to Mercs. 



#911 Crossmax

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:34

Yes..too bad you don't get points for fastest lap time: Räikkönen is now 2nd in "fastest lap of the race" all time charts. Yesterday he passed  Alain Prost, only Michael Schumacher is in front.

 

 

Räikkönen has now as many "fastest lap of the race" as Hamilton and Senna combined.

And still nobody cares...



#912 tmekt

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:42

And still nobody cares...

Just because you don't doesn't mean nobody does.

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:52

WORST GRAND PRIX EVER!

 

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If you seriously think that then you can't have seen many Gp's as I can think of dozens that were far, far worse.

 

 

I was making light of the mass overreaction

 

I agree with you  :up:

 

Blackadder: Baldrick, have you no idea what "irony" is?
Baldrick: Yes, it's like "goldy" and "bronzy" only it's made out of iron.


Edited by Nemo1965, 09 June 2015 - 07:52.


#914 Crossmax

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:52

Just because you don't doesn't mean nobody does.

Fastest lap of the race in the current set of regulations is such an irrelevant stat, I can only assume that the only ones who pay any attention to it are those who don't follow the sport closely.



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Posted 09 June 2015 - 08:22

Was just reading some comparisons to past years, and 2015 reminds very much of 2002. It is quite a yawn. It is just about Ferrari/Mercedes, but behind them some pretty clear divisions as well. Current Ferrari/Williams are just like the Williams/McLaren of 2002. Nowhere near the best team, but well clear of everybody else and always in positions from 3rd to 6th.

 

2004 was in my view a better season. Some races were won on merit by non-Ferrari cars, like Trulli, Raikkonen and Montoya. There were races, where Schumacher really had to fight for the win, like in France against Alonso. And there was some good competition between four different teams behind Ferrari.



#916 tmekt

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 08:22

Fastest lap of the race in the current set of regulations is such an irrelevant stat, I can only assume that the only ones who pay any attention to it are those who don't follow the sport closely.

Of course it's irrelevant from that perspective but it's still as interesting little stat as any. Backmarkers get a few fastest laps from time to time but it's still generally the top cars that take them.

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 08:29

Despite some complaints of fuel and tyre saving, last Sunday was the fastest Canadian Grand Prix since 2004. Race times of previous ‘green’ races between 2004 and 2015 (admittedly not that many):
2004: 1:28:24.803
2015: 1:31:53.145
2013: 1:32:09.143
2012: 1:32:29.586
2010: 1:33:53.456



#918 syolase

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 09:05

Despite some complaints of fuel and tyre saving, last Sunday was the fastest Canadian Grand Prix since 2004. Race times of previous ‘green’ races between 2004 and 2015 (admittedly not that many):
2004: 1:28:24.803
2015: 1:31:53.145
2013: 1:32:09.143
2012: 1:32:29.586
2010: 1:33:53.456

Bare in mind, there was no SC this year!



#919 Samhain

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 09:22

Bare in mind, there was no SC this year!

As far as I'm aware, in 2010, 12 and 13 there was no safety car.



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#920 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 12:39

I find a bit annoying that I see so much people complaining about how the races are boring and all of that. If we compare with other years and "eras" I don´t think that, in comparision, the races are so boring to be honest (in general of course some are more then others). Just because there is a dominant team, it doesn´t mean necessarily that the races are boring, and i´m not a Mercedes fan, but they´re simply doing the better job.

 

True, Mercedes are doing a better job, but their deliberate actions and decisions are making it boring. In Twitter Rosberg described the race, and because he was following Hamilton, had to baby his brakes. But as soon as his brakes were cool enough to launch an attack, Hamilton's side of the garage knew of it and just responded. Why do you think they have just one strategist for both cars? Duh. Hamilton deserves credit for qualifying on pole, but he did not manage the race, his team did, and deliberately created a scenario where they assured themselves of a 1-2 finish but robbed all of us fans of any chance of battling.

 

Publicly Mercedes may appear to allow their drivers to battle each other, but in practice they keep them separated and not able to race each other. All they do is drive to a delta dictated not by fuel or tires, but by the team. That is why Hamilton occasionally ignores pit instructions to hold station (as in Spain) because if he followed team orders, catching, battling and passing his team mate is virtually impossible. Although he bears responsibility for any consequences if anything goes wrong, I applaud him for not being a corporate pussy but instead a RACER.

 

But as far as Mercedes deliberately practicing a method and strategy that practically guarantees no battling between team mates, shame, shame, shame.



#921 OO7

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 15:11

As far as I'm aware, in 2010, 12 and 13 there was no safety car.

I guess that goes to show that I have a bloody short memory.  I was surprised by the lack of safety car in the race and was going to ask when the last time that occurred was.  I was expecting the answer to be a very long time ago.


Edited by OO7, 10 June 2015 - 04:27.


#922 metz

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 15:48

Fastest lap IS a relevant statistic. It shows what the car is capable of.

Which makes one believe Kimi could and should have challenged for a podium.



#923 robefc

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 16:08

Not really, a Williams didn't get to do a lap on comparable tyres did they?

#924 NoSanityClause

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 16:52

Fastest lap IS a relevant statistic. It shows what the car is capable of.

Which makes one believe Kimi could and should have challenged for a podium.

Not so much, really. In this age and time, if you have a moderately capable car, nobody around, and enough fuel by the latest (lightest) stages, when everybody is merely managing gaps, tires and fuel, you can do a fastest lap with relative ease. With no points for FL, it's value is merely for statistics sake. For Kimi is a good piece of statistics, though, so good for him to try to beat the record, but the rest simply have no motivation to go for them.



#925 ericok

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 22:15

My photos from the 2015 Canadian Grand Prix.

 

https://www.flickr.c...157654250881696



#926 Laura23

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 23:37

Just because you don't doesn't mean nobody does.

I very much doubt even Kimi cares about having that many fastest laps. Having the fastest lap gets you no points and points make the real prizes. 



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 01:23

Seems like the same thing every two weeks. I enjoyed Monaco, and today's race as well. If you don't like the sport, watch something else. Your absence will probably do more to change the status quo than whining about it here.


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#928 Nemo1965

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 06:20

HeadFirst, on 08 Jun 2015 - 01:57, said:snapback.png

Seems like the same thing every two weeks. I enjoyed Monaco, and today's race as well. If you don't like the sport, watch something else. Your absence will probably do more to change the status quo than whining about it here.

Surprisingly good suggestion

 

Well... I don't know. In ye old days one of the purposes for fans of football (soccer for the American readers) was... to bitch and moan about football (courtesy by Nick Hornby.

 

Yet Hornby also wrote:

“Complaining about boring football is a little like complaining about the sad ending of King Lear: it misses the point somehow.”

:cool:



#929 JoyDiv

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 15:31

Fastest lap IS a relevant statistic. It shows what the car is capable of.

Which makes one believe Kimi could and should have challenged for a podium.

It was relevant decades ago, but today, it is irrelevant, any driver (except McLaren and Marussia drivers) could pit in the last 10 laps with supersoft and make the fastest lap and that is not an indication of the car or driver's capability.

We have seen so many examples in the last few years, drivers with middle field cars doing fastest laps



#930 MikeV1987

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 16:19

 

We have seen so many examples in the last few years, drivers with middle field cars doing fastest laps

 

the last time was in 2013 at the spanish grand prix, hardly many examples. That stat is not completely irrelevant.


Edited by MikeV1987, 10 June 2015 - 16:21.


#931 Kristian

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 16:41

Providing 2 points for fastest lap could make things interesting...