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#1 MaxCrazyEddieCayer

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 12:31

Hello everyone, this might be a stretch, but bear with me, I'm looking for audio recording of racing engines being driven in anger, be it f1 Indy cars, nascar or prototypes, anything really as long as it is better quality that the stuff on YouTube, I remember in the mid 90's Renault had released a cd of their f1 engines on a dynamo, that's the kind of stuff I'm looking for. It's for my next record, I make drone and ambient music and I want my next record to be all racing engines sampled and played back at different speed and pitches, if anyone has any hi quality recordings of racing engines , or can point me out in the right direction, I would be eternally grateful and forever in your debt, and that would earn you a special place in the thanks for my next record. Thank you very much.

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#2 E1pix

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 13:55

Why not go to a race and record what you need?

#3 MaxCrazyEddieCayer

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 14:02

Because going to a race is expensive, there is not a lot of races going on in Montreal either, and I would have to bring all my expensive recording gear ( they would most likely not allow it) plus it's a bitch to carry around, and I would only get sounds of cars breezing by. What i'm looking for is sorta like if a microphone would be placed next to the engines. Also There is no way I'm bringing my 5000$ Microphones to a track.

Edited by MaxCrazyEddieCayer, 14 June 2015 - 14:06.


#4 wolf sun

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 14:47

...hm, but you expect other people to bring their high-end equipment, make arrangements, have expenses and carry around their gear - all for a "Thank You"?



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Posted 14 June 2015 - 16:05

Get your Matra fix here:

 

http://www.matraspor...allery1/Sounds/

 



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Posted 14 June 2015 - 16:09

...hm, but you expect other people to bring their high-end equipment, make arrangements, have expenses and carry around their gear - all for a "Thank You"?

:cool:



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Posted 14 June 2015 - 16:26

Suggest you leave your expensive inappropriate mikes in safety - borrow, from a recordist, a Sennheiser 816 or 8070 - and find somewhere quiet overlooking a track? Plastic Stress by Terranova springs to mind - wide perspective, very atmospheric and affecting sound effect ...



#8 E1pix

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 18:30

...hm, but you expect other people to bring their high-end equipment, make arrangements, have expenses and carry around their gear - all for a "Thank You"?

My point exactly. The OP wants others' work given to him for "his" work. As a career artist I get such "offers" all the time and it's pathetic.

How's about going to work to earn what you do?

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 20:17

I could be wrong, but I don't see where he specifically asked for a freebie. Perhaps he is willing to pay?



#10 MaxCrazyEddieCayer

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 22:16

All right, some of you didn't get my point, I was not asking for anyone to go record some stuff for me, or give me anything, I was merely asking for someone to point me in the right direction as to were I could get some already sampled engines sounds. Or were I could find the CDs I was talking about, witch i did find , it's called concerto for a v10 , Just like the nice fellow who provided a link to the matra engine, sir I salute you, that was exactly what I was looking for, and very kind of you. The rest of you can go back minding their own business and put their heads back were it belongs....

Edited by MaxCrazyEddieCayer, 14 June 2015 - 22:26.


#11 RStock

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 23:22

, Just like the nice fellow who provided a link to the matra engine, sir I salute you, that was exactly what I was looking for, and very kind of you. The rest of you can go back minding their own business and put their heads back were it belongs....

Ah, so they were right, you are a freeloader.



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Posted 15 June 2015 - 00:01

I particularly like the inference that we owed him something, even if cooperation — and if not, we have our heads inserted.

 

This is why I gave him a bad time, I've seen his type a million times.



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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:39

Well, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and was still told to stuff my head up my arse, so....



#14 Gary Davies

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 04:56

...hm, but you expect other people to bring their high-end equipment, make arrangements, have expenses and carry around their gear - all for a "Thank You"?

 

Yeah well, an example here of a sour and mean minded reply in the spirit of Ebenezer Scrooge.  :down:



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Posted 15 June 2015 - 05:10

In the modern musical world "sampling" seems to be an accepted method of creating a work of art. Of course, if it were the written word, it would be outright plagiarism.
Personally, I consider it theft. There is a CD by a well known classic car enthusiast that we probably all know, but I'm blowed if I'm going to mention its name so that someone else's hard work can be passed off as an original piece without any royalties going too its creator.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 05:20

I particularly like the inference that we owed him something, even if cooperation — and if not, we have our heads inserted.

 

This is why I gave him a bad time, I've seen his type a million times.

 

Damn it, Eric, I was hoping to ask for some of your wonderful photos [free, of course].  ;)

 

Head re-inserted.



#17 john aston

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 06:48

Oh leave the poor guy alone - it's 2015 , not 1967 and nobody under the age of 50 pays for music(of any type )  any more. You may not like it but it is where we are. The music industry has made enough gazillions from selling CDs at 20 times their cost of production - it's a new world now. Those expressing  holier than  thou disapproval have presumably never made their own cassette copies of other people's records ?  



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Posted 15 June 2015 - 07:16

That didn't want to work on my Edison Gramophone...damn new-fangled technology. :confused:



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Posted 15 June 2015 - 07:39

I have David Ogilvy ‎– Wings Of History: Volume One - Sounds At Shuttleworth but my wife wont let me play it loud as it scares the dog 

 
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 15:02

Sorry for dragging this further, but I'll blow a head gasket if I don't respond to some of the posts in this thread.

 

All right, some of you didn't get my point, I was not asking for anyone to go record some stuff for me, or give me anything, I was merely asking for someone to point me in the right direction as to were I could get some already sampled engines sounds. Or were I could find the CDs I was talking about, witch i did find , it's called concerto for a v10 , Just like the nice fellow who provided a link to the matra engine, sir I salute you, that was exactly what I was looking for, and very kind of you. The rest of you can go back minding their own business and put their heads back were it belongs....

 

Alright (bear with me, I'll reinsert my head in a minute), maybe I have in fact misunderstood you. In that case, look here - http://freesound.org/ - a platform where a lot of generous and enthusiastic people upload their sounds to be used for free (you can donate though). If you can't record your own, it may spare you using generic (and often bland) libraries and cd recordings.

 

At the same time letting people know whether you're working on a commercial project, or a creative commons release, etc may help in generating the right answers. As would do not bragging about your amazingly expensive equipment that you actually don't want to use (and which most likely would be useless for the task anyway).

 

 

In the modern musical world "sampling" seems to be an accepted method of creating a work of art.

 

Well, it is - no problem with that at all. It's how you go about it that makes all the difference.

 

Oh leave the poor guy alone - it's 2015 , not 1967 and nobody under the age of 50 pays for music(of any type )  any more. You may not like it but it is where we are. The music industry has made enough gazillions from selling CDs at 20 times their cost of production - it's a new world now. Those expressing  holier than  thou disapproval have presumably never made their own cassette copies of other people's records ?  

 

I usually find myself agreeing with many things you say on this forum, but not this one.

I'm a professional sound artist and musician of many years' experience, and therefore know a thing or two about the things mentioned here. There's a huge difference between "the music industry" and the individual artists - not to mention all the other people that may be involved in the publication or performance of auditory material (which may not always be music - there are many many more professions in sound and sound art to be considered here). In any case, the gazillions are mainly made by a few giant (popular music) corporations, and a select few (popular music) artists.

The reality of the overwhelming majority of professional music/sound/audio people looks quite a bit different. There's a bit more to sound than S**y Music and Lady G*g*.

 

I've done more than my fair share of working for free, or for a dinner and drinks, or the promise of a follow-up that never came (and I still do, and you won't believe how little fun that can be at times).

And come to think of it, most of my music is deliberately released under CC share alike, or pay as much as you like/can, as is a lot of my non-musical material. I'm also fine to give away impulse responses, sound library material, field recordings, etc. that took me hours and days to record and edit, never mind the value of the equipment involved.

Again, it's all in how one is being approached about it.

 

Yeah well, an example here of a sour and mean minded reply in the spirit of Ebenezer Scrooge.  :down:

 

I'm probably missing the joke here...



#21 E1pix

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 16:16

Oh leave the poor guy alone - it's 2015 , not 1967 and nobody under the age of 50 pays for music(of any type )  any more. You may not like it but it is where we are. The music industry has made enough gazillions from selling CDs at 20 times their cost of production - it's a new world now. Those expressing  holier than  thou disapproval have presumably never made their own cassette copies of other people's records ?

Fair points and I take no issue with your comments, but here's why I reacted how I did... and as a sound artist, presumably why Wolf Sun replied similarly...

The OP made it clear, in my view at least, that if the YouTube sounds were better quality, he'd have used them to alter and create a new album of "his." This is plagiarism if the samples exceed allowable MIDI standards that Wolf Sun would be better equipped to explain, but even if within acceptable standards is one sad method of "creation." In my own (perhaps overly-aggressive) way I was trying to open the OP's eyes to exploring proper means of creation, the most obvious one being purchasing use rights with a stock sound library. Having expensive gear, surely zhe must know this.

Why do I care? For one, if on YouTube it's likely copyrighted work from possibly their life's work, and for a second, creation on the backs of others is not a path to anywhere. This to me is no different than my shooting a photo of someone's art, tweaking it to my liking, and passing it off as "mine." Whether it happens every day is irrelevant to it being wrong, and weak, and risking the integrity of art itself.

The analogy to copying music to CD or cassette is only applicable to this case if one is selling copies of the album, or otherwise using the music for financial gain to themselves. As one of my best friends was a Hollywood movie sound tech, he'd want me to reply in regards to his industry's standards exactly as I did. If everyone cared about changing what's wrong, wouldn't we progress?

The irony of all this is I have four hours of sound from 1989-1991 GPs, in an era of V8, V10, and V12. Had the OP offered up a post showing respect for his own endeavor and for the infinite resource that is TNF, I'd have comped them for his project.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 16:58

Hm…didn't Nick Mason publish a book with a DVD that had recordings of some of his collection ?

 

I know Motorsport sent a DVD, I think it was a partial collection from the book, that has a few elected engine sounds. I listen to it in my car while driving, and my favorites are the ERA (what a brute), the BRM V16, and I like the 512 better than the 250 GTO. There's more, but it's a nice collection.



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 06:20

Sorry but I still think we are all being far too precious and not missing an opportunity to administer a grumpy old fart kicking to somebody who had a genuine request. We are not looking at the lost recordings of Amy Winehouse  (a popular chanteuse m'lud) but some racing car noises which only 37 people and a dog are really interested in  . The 37 people are all on here and the dog may be as well for all I know . Copyright may well protect the recordings - except if you look at your Grand Prix ticket ts and cs you will probably find that  Ecclestone and his cronies at CVCC own the copyright in sound and images (and just about anything else)  - and anything that involves ripping off that crew of chancers is just fine by me .  They stole  my sport - good luck to anybody who steals a bit back   :wave:



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 06:37

Sorry but I still think we are all being far too precious and not missing an opportunity to administer a grumpy old fart kicking to somebody who had a genuine request. We are not looking at the lost recordings of Amy Winehouse  (a popular chanteuse m'lud) but some racing car noises which only 37 people and a dog are really interested in  . The 37 people are all on here and the dog may be as well for all I know . Copyright may well protect the recordings - except if you look at your Grand Prix ticket ts and cs you will probably find that  Ecclestone and his cronies at CVCC own the copyright in sound and images (and just about anything else)  - and anything that involves ripping off that crew of chancers is just fine by me .  They stole  my sport - good luck to anybody who steals a bit back   :wave:


Well said that man. I have a copy of the Motorsport CD "Sounds Of Goodwood" and have just posted it off to Max, just to show him we ain't all from Barrytown.

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Posted 16 June 2015 - 11:31

Okay, my last post on this thread, it's not an audio forum after all - sorry for making a fuss in the first place, couldn't help myself.

 

@Slurp1955: Nice to know you're not from Barrytown. Even better you've got street cred to throw away, posting a CD that was free in the first place to the OP.  Wow, that flies right in the face of greedy copyright Scrooges like me, who got filthy rich just by recording things. Well done, mate!

 

@John Aston: You're turning the argument on its head completely. We are indeed not looking at Amy Winehouse, bless her soul. In fact, I wouldn't have had too much of a problem if we were - she/her family, and more importantly FNJ Music (who probably own her music, common practice in the music biz) have made more money out of her short career than most people will ever earn in a lifetime, I'm sure they could spare a bob or two. Unlike many people (like me) who have to pay the rent and feed the family with the earnings of their profession. Curiously, I am quite sure that I am prepared to give much more of my own work away for free than said company (who will give you zilch if you don't pay).

 

All I was pointing out is that the OP did not explain properly how the material he's looking for is going to be used - so I for one wouldn't give him any of my recordings (which are very few anyway). And again, there's more sides to audio professions than record companies and musicians.

 

Epilogue:

A friend and colleague of mine happens to be a Toronto-based sound designer. He was commissioned to record performance cars' engine sounds. So the people he was working for rented Mosport, a professional driver, and a couple of Beemers. One of the things he recorded was the car being drifted past at speed about 50 inches from him and the mics. So much for "...there's no way I'm gonna bring my fancy gear to a track, it might get dusty!"  ;)



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 12:30

Okay, my last post on this thread, it's not an audio forum after all - sorry for making a fuss in the first place, couldn't help myself.
 
@Slurp1955: Nice to know you're not from Barrytown. Even better you've got street cred to throw away, posting a CD that was free in the first place to the OP.  Wow, that flies right in the face of greedy copyright Scrooges like me, who got filthy rich just by recording things. Well done, mate!
 
No, not from Barrytown but leafy Cheshire. If you don't know the area we're mostly anarcho-syndicalists around here and have no truck with copyright issues.



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 12:49

Sorry but I still think we are all being far too precious and not missing an opportunity to administer a grumpy old fart kicking to somebody who had a genuine request.

You have missed the point. The point is: people who create content for a living get really, really tired of other people who think that their work should be available for free.



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 14:26

I am sure they do - and I have seen some of my own stuff pop up in surprising places. Not my living but irksome all the same. The point that you may have missed , I would suggest , is that with the advent of the digital age nearly all the old rules and mores which used to apply about intellectual property have gone down the pan . Taxi drivers don't like Uber, musicians  don't like Spotify and they used to hate makers of cassettes- but it is the world it  is , not what  we think it should be    And , as I said , if ripping off Ecclestone's cosy little cartel is a possibility then I am all for it . Or are you suggesting that the F1 stranglehold on reproduction of imagery is morally OK ? 

 

And a sound recording of a racing car - it's not going to sell like Thriller really is it ?



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 15:06

Not for the first time, sadly, I'm ashamed to be a member of this forum.

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Posted 16 June 2015 - 15:54

I am sure they do - and I have seen some of my own stuff pop up in surprising places. Not my living but irksome all the same. The point that you may have missed , I would suggest , is that with the advent of the digital age nearly all the old rules and mores which used to apply about intellectual property have gone down the pan . Taxi drivers don't like Uber, musicians  don't like Spotify and they used to hate makers of cassettes- but it is the world it  is , not what  we think it should be    And , as I said , if ripping off Ecclestone's cosy little cartel is a possibility then I am all for it . Or are you suggesting that the F1 stranglehold on reproduction of imagery is morally OK ? 

 

And a sound recording of a racing car - it's not going to sell like Thriller really is it ?

I do take your point, but I still resist. It's true that technology has made intellectual property is much harder to defend than in the pre-digital age, but does that mean we just throw up our hands and accept it? To take an extreme example, guns made murder a lot easier, but the response was not to legalize murder.

 

To me, the importance of intellectual property rights is not that they make people like Ecclestone rich - that is an unfortunate byproduct. The point of them is to make it possible for the vast majority of content producers - photographers, illustrators, musicians, writers, etc. - to make a living. These people do not make Ecclestone or Michael Jackson money; most of them just manage to make ends meet despite having no job security, benefit plans, or paid holidays. Every time someone uses their work without compensation, it takes another chip out of the foundation of their livelihood. The fact that it is easier than ever to do so doesn't, in my view, make it okay.

 

I am not among those whose income is vulnerable in this way, but I used to be, and I have plenty of friends who are. Perhaps I overreact when a topic like this comes up in a thread, and I apologise if I offend anyone. But I really think our attitudes toward compensating the people who create so much of what we read, look at, listen to etc. has become way too cavalier, and is not sustainable.

 

Q. What do you call an artist whose work is widely circulated for free?

 

A. A waiter.



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 17:02

Sorry but I still think we are all being far too precious and not missing an opportunity to administer a grumpy old fart kicking to somebody who had a genuine request. We are not looking at the lost recordings of Amy Winehouse  (a popular chanteuse m'lud) but some racing car noises which only 37 people and a dog are really interested in  . The 37 people are all on here and the dog may be as well for all I know . Copyright may well protect the recordings - except if you look at your Grand Prix ticket ts and cs you will probably find that  Ecclestone and his cronies at CVCC own the copyright in sound and images (and just about anything else)  - and anything that involves ripping off that crew of chancers is just fine by me .  They stole  my sport - good luck to anybody who steals a bit back   :wave:

 

But in this case most likely it would not be Bernie who gets ripped off.

 

All I was pointing out is that the OP did not explain properly how the material he's looking for is going to be used - so I for one wouldn't give him any of my recordings (which are very few anyway). And again, there's more sides to audio professions than record companies and musicians.
 

 

I would say telling other to shove their head up their arse is not the way to go about generating good will, but maybe that's just me.



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 17:42

I would say telling other to shove their head up their arse is not the way to go about generating good will, but maybe that's just me.

Not just you, R. You admirably gave the doubt's benefit and were "rewarded" in a manner consistent with my take on the OP.

I would have rather been wrong in my take and apologetic for it... eating crow's okay if properly spiced.

(Edit: Brilliant posts PCC and Wolf Sun!!!)

Edited by E1pix, 16 June 2015 - 17:44.


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 22:06

Hello everyone, this might be a stretch, but bear with me, I'm looking for audio recording of racing engines being driven in anger, be it f1 Indy cars, nascar or prototypes, anything really as long as it is better quality that the stuff on YouTube, I remember in the mid 90's Renault had released a cd of their f1 engines on a dynamo, that's the kind of stuff I'm looking for. It's for my next record, I make drone and ambient music and I want my next record to be all racing engines sampled and played back at different speed and pitches, if anyone has any hi quality recordings of racing engines , or can point me out in the right direction, I would be eternally grateful and forever in your debt, and that would earn you a special place in the thanks for my next record. Thank you very much.

Max

https://youtu.be/bTBM9GPqsmU

https://youtu.be/wdVdRMwwRXI


Edited by 63Corvette, 24 August 2015 - 22:10.


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Posted 25 August 2015 - 13:06

At the risk of being shot down for consorting with the 'enemy', if you are interested in earlier-period recordings, you can't do better than acquire this double CD of Stanley Schofield recordings. Highly recommended.

http://www.dukevideo...ifties-2-CD-Set