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[ardbeg]

Honda and Renault are both under huge pressure to produce a much better PU than they currently have, but the homologation  makes it difficult for them. For Renault, this is the second year and they are if anything further behind than last year. Honda is hopeless, their PU is thirsty, weak and unreliable. For both of them, this year is basically wasted already and they must put the focus in next season. What would happen if they said "screw the tokens" and just developed freely, fixing and changing stuff as soon as they identify a problem? Starting at the back would not hurt more if they can produce lap times, overtake cars and... well, look good. What are the worst that could happen? 

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

Any cars using that engine disqualified, no points given and maybe not even allowed to race.

[BullHead]

On the bbc, Christian Horner was making out that tokens aren't an issue, he reckons they / Renault have plenty to go at.

[redreni]

I assume the FIA wouldn't homologate an engine if it's been developed outside the allowable limits. And any team pitching up at an event and presenting a non-homologated power unit to the scrutineers would presumably be kicked out of the event on the spot.

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

I assume the FIA wouldn't homologate an engine if it's been developed outside the allowable limits. And any team pitching up at an event and presenting a non-homologated power unit to the scrutineers would presumably be kicked out of the event on the spot.

 

 

This applies to all motorsports. If you do not pass tech inspection then you are not allowed to participate.

[ViMaMo]

Now where is that gif with joker clapping? Sickening rules. Glad we have Ferrari up to speed.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Now where is that gif with joker clapping? Sickening rules. Glad we have Ferrari up to speed.

If Ferrari could catch up over winter, why couldn't Renault...

[chipmcdonald]

I completely ignore tokens, and I am punished by that horrible emblazoned-shield looking on screen display they showed during the Montreal race, that shows this "exciting" information about each car.

 

I'm telling you, it was a bad idea to let the U.S. Congress make the Formula 1 regulations.

[MastaKink]

If Ferrari could catch up over winter, why couldn't Renault...

 

Ferrari abandoned their initial Aero dominated concept then flashed the cash and hired a host of Mercedes ERS and general PU specialists. Allison/Resta/Byrne came up with some cute ideas to top it all off.

 

Renault/RB stuck with their Aero dominated philosophy and trying to get a smaller PU unit to match the leaders recovery systems and power output.  They just can't get it too work yet, much like Honda. If/when they do the payoff could be huge.

Edited by MastaKink, 17 June 2015 - 12:54.

[paulogman]

Ignoring the tokens?
The FIA won't homologate the engine so it can't be raced

[Timstr11]

Tokens tokens tokens....Tokens are NOT the problem as engine manufacturers themselves say.

Engine development just has looooooooooooooooong lead times.

[Nonesuch]

If Ferrari could catch up over winter, why couldn't Renault...

 

Because Ferrari was never unable to make a half-decent engine, they just chose an aerodynamic/engine compromise for 2014 that didn't work out.

 

At least that's been the story from the team.