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[Rasputin]

This is possibly the stupidest thread so far, but what the heck?

 

A certain pole at every fortnight if you ask me.

[brr]

In a hospital, the car would have crashed harder in winter testing.

[Mat13]

Right now? Austria.

[V8 Fireworks]

A certain pole at every fortnight if you ask me.

 

It didn't help them much last season...

[Rasputin]

It didn't help them much last season...

Rightly so, but that was with a commodity MHPE PU, not with the works Mercedes execution, helluva difference there.

[Xeriks]

Great thread, would read again.

[V8 Fireworks]

Rightly so, but that was with a commodity MHPE PU, not with the works Mercedes execution, helluva difference there.

 

 I don't understand.  They would have customer Mercedes spec this season as well, if they so chose.

[TheRacingElf]

He wouldn't have been at McLaren I think

[Zava]

the I don't know, somewhere in midfield answer.

[Rasputin]

 I don't understand.  They would have customer Mercedes spec this season as well, if they so chose.

What is the title of this thread?

[Kristian]

He wouldn't have been at McLaren I think

 

Yep, this. Probably would have stuck it out at Ferrari, therefore already with a win under his belt. 

[dreamer]

Close to the Williams, I guess...
McLaren had a big gap to Williams last year even if they were using the same engine... so I guess with Mclaren's 2014 knowledge of the Mercedes engine, this year they would have been close to the Williams

[V8 Fireworks]

What is the title of this thread?

 

What's a MHPE PU?    What's the difference to a Mercedes PU?  Doesn't the M in MHPE stand for Mercedes 

 

Do you mean what if McLaren were the Mercedes works team still?   It's hard to imagine really :/  Presumably Hamilton would still be there and paired with Alonso, fun.

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 21 June 2015 - 08:23.

[Seanspeed]

Maybe like a 6th-8th place sort of car? Been obvious all year the car's issues are not 100% powerplant-related and the team have said several times they are lacking downforce.

[oetzi]

Actually, they've proudly said they're lacking downforce, and that that's their plan.

Edited by oetzi, 21 June 2015 - 08:31.

[chhatra]

Well the MP4-30 wouldn't be the car we see today. It would be based around figures given from Mercedes, so no size zero philosophy etc.

However, looking at what Force India and Renault are managing to do it would certainly be in the top 10.

This was NOT what McLaren wanted and therefore went with Honda, so far it is a failure but it can only truly be judged a season or two from now.

[oetzi]

See back a while ago, when things were less well understood, maybe a car could have a 'philosophy.' Now it's just packaging and (literally) box ticking.

Edited by oetzi, 21 June 2015 - 08:50.

[george1981]

There was talk last year that McLaren weren't getting as much suppport from Mercedes as the other customer teams because they were leaving to go to Honda. Something to do with how the engine could be used to help the car brake. Last year it seemed that Williams were getting more help from Mercedes perhaps because of Toto's involvement.

So with the best customer Mercedes engine and support, where would the McLaren chassis be this year? I would say a firm top 10, probably in the Ferrari/Williams range of performance. If the engine could run reliably this year I think McLaren would be able to do more set up work and aerodynamic development.

[Seanspeed]

I think this year is showing that all the blaming of the lack of Merc data in 2014 might have been a bit of a false flag, given that they still don't have a great chassis or aero, even with an engine manufacturer working directly for them and *only* them.

Edited by Seanspeed, 21 June 2015 - 09:19.

[krea]

Well, I read some on a motorsport page some weeks ago that the McLaren chassis is on the same level as Ferrari because asspull math (which was obviously not further explained).

[igoru]

3 time WDC 

[SICOM]

Depends how good that chassis is.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Strong points finishes at the most. Don't forget, McLaren hasn't been able to build a good chassis in three years. It's not just down to the power unit, their chassis isn't great as well.

 

I'd say if McLaren still had the Mercedes engine, they'd be on the same level as last year.

[PlatenGlass]

So you're asking what would happen if the forum user MP4/30 started a thread with the title "Mercedes PU"? I don't think it would affect Alonso's results that much to be honest. Button on the other hand - he'd win every race!

[hittheapex]

The Dark Side of the Moon

[KOMORI]

He would be able to hit 88mph, and with the aid of a crazy scientist and a flux capacitor travel back to the 80's to make sure his parents kiss at the school dance!!

[MortenF1]

The where would Alonso be if the MP4/30 hade a Mercedes PU thread?

 

-around where Button would be.

[SpartanChas]

Fifth.

[Rasputin]

On pole, with a second's margin to Hamilton.

[McLobby]

A reliable and competitive PU, would allow much more downforce to be used, and thus their aerodynamic development would have been much more evolved by this time of season, with much more data gathered

 

I would say a match for Williams and Ferrari...

[masa90]

Useless speculation. Real shame for Fernando though, having one of the most exciting and skilled driver stuck with that turd of a car is a travesty. Shame we are stuck with these rules for too long.

[discover23]

I think Alonso did more racing laps and was more competitive in his rookie season with the Minardi than this year with Mclaren.

[sennafan24]

Fighting for podiums. 

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Oh God..

[Brod]

In a Ferrari. 

Edited by Brod, 21 June 2015 - 15:39.

[P123]

On pole, with a second's margin to Hamilton.

You know you've started a **** topic when you start taking the mickey out of it yourself.

As we're comparing drivers across teams it's clear he'd be a lap ahead of them all, after two laps racing.

[f1RacingForever]

Well I don't think the size zero would be possible with Mercedes PU. I believe comprises have been made to the layout of the Honda PU to make that possible. How this would affect the aero is difficult to say. How much aero would they lose?

[Mohican]

Alonso only has himself to blame for being in a McLaren rather than in a Ferrari this year. So what ?
He is not the only driver to leave Ferrari at the wrong time; Amon, Ickx, Prost and Irvine come to mind.

[mzvztag]

Alonso only has himself to blame for being in a McLaren rather than in a Ferrari this year. So what ?
He is not the only driver to leave Ferrari at the wrong time; Amon, Ickx, Prost and Irvine come to mind.

He did not leave in the wrong time.
The 2015 Ferrari is at the usual post-2008 Ferrari level and it's unlikely to change any time soon.

Ferrari needs a quantum leap to become consistent winners and I don't see it coming.

Just to clarify: there was no real quantum leap in 2015. Ferrari simply opted for a wrong design before the start of 2014 and couldn't rectify it because of homologation. But it was simple and easy to do.

[LuckyStrike1]

If Ferrari needs a quantum leap, then what does McLaren-Honda need? 

[mzvztag]

If Ferrari needs a quantum leap, then what does McLaren-Honda need?

Two quantum leaps, of course.
But from the probability of winning PoV, they both won't win any time soon.

[Jon83]

Midfield.

 

McLaren have been producing average cars for years with the odd good one (2012)

[maverick69]

Midfield.

 

McLaren have been producing average cars for years with the odd good one (2012)

 

Which they stopped developing mid-season - and inexplicably threw the car....... and the championship in the bin. Oh yes........ McLaren have stunk of PU for a while now.

 

Merc engine this year? Probably farting about in the midfield asking Force India to move over. Sad but true........

[SophieB]

 

On pole, with a second's margin to Hamilton.

 

You know you've started a shit topic when you start taking the mickey out of it yourself.
 

 

Blunter than I would have been but yeah please don't start threads and then undermine them yourself, folks.