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Alonso Raikkonen Crash Austria '15 [split]


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#1 aramos

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:06

Kimi just dropped that on his own. Jesus christ.



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#2 Adelaide

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:07

Oh dear. My Kimi crash prediction came true.

#3 grunge

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:09

Im glad hes safe...we really do need closed cockpits.

#4 mzvztag

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:13

The only important thing is that they are both OK.
I did not yet get what happened.

#5 dreamer

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:20

Didn't understand what happened but the important thing is that both drivers are ok.



#6 MikeV1987

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:27

Kimi just dropped that on his own. Jesus christ.

 

How do you know? they haven't even showed a decent replay



#7 Equinox1

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:30

if kimi lost that on his own then serious questions need to be asked about his career, rookies don't even do that.



#8 MikeV1987

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:34

It seems very strange where Kimi's car got loose.

 

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Edited by MikeV1987, 21 June 2015 - 12:37.


#9 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:35

if kimi lost that on his own then serious questions need to be asked about his career, rookies don't even do that.


Lets wait and see what happened. Looked to me as he had rear puncture.

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:37

I sincerely hope that puts pay to any contract negotiations for next year.

 

He'd fit nicely into the GP3 grid at the moment. 



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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:41

if kimi lost that on his own then serious questions need to be asked about his career, rookies don't even do that.

there is no driver in F1 that would lose it in that position, let alone someone as experienced as Kimi....it was probably a left rear puncture or he was tagged from behind by Alonso

#12 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:44

there is no driver in F1 that would lose it in that position, let alone someone as experienced as Kimi....it was probably a left rear puncture or he was tagged from behind by Alonso


Likely Alonso's FW cut Kimi's rear tyre. But there have been no tcam view from Alonso which is strange and stupid.

#13 krea

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:44

there is no driver in F1 that would lose it in that position, let alone someone as experienced as Kimi....it was probably a left rear puncture or he was tagged from behind by Alonso

 

Kimi just said that he lost his rear and moved to the left where Alonso was, F1 expert.



#14 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:45

Kimi just said that he lost his rear and moved to the left where Alonso was, F1 expert.


Well that's veryvery big error from him then.

#15 kosmos

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:46

Yep, Fernando said Kimi was sliding on turn 2 and he was losing places, then Kimi lost control and moved to the left, Fernando was on the left, so they crashed.



#16 krea

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:47

Alonso also just confirmed it.



#17 artista

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:47

Alonso on Spanish TV:

 

Kimi was already sliding right and left, right and left since the second turn, so they all begun to pass him from both sides, his car kept sliding and till Kimi couldn't control it any longer.

 

Alonso also said it's not normal that tyres slid like that in forth or 5th gear.

 

In his car it was 34 G

 

edit: a couple of people around are clearly faster than me



#18 Massa

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:47

Kimi said his lost the car.



#19 mzvztag

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:48

Alonso said that Kimi lost the car first and when he lost it completely, they crashed.

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#20 surbjits

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:48

he should save himself of any more embarssment and leave imo, these mistakes shouldnt be happening considering ferrari are a clear 2nd fastest car



#21 nuripoko

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:50

That was as I thought.



#22 sniper80

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:54

I just knew before the race started that Kimi would crash in the midpack. Just as I knew he would go out in Q1 with the damp track... He just lost his feeling ...



#23 Radion

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:55

Oh Kimi, what happened to you...  :down:



#24 Adelaide

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:57

So can we assume Kimi goes into the next race wit a penalty seeing as he's pretty much admitted the crash was his fault?

Hard to believe he just lost control of the car two races in a row.

Edited by Adelaide, 21 June 2015 - 12:58.


#25 mzvztag

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:58

He is the same as before, only the conditions and circumstances changed and he was exposed.

#26 grunge

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:59

Kimi just said that he lost his rear and moved to the left where Alonso was, F1 expert.

Err, not claiming to be any expert here but i dont find it plausible that he simply lost it without any issues...lets wait and see what further evidence unfolds

#27 aramos

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:00

Kimi just confirmed in an interview he got wheelspin. No mention of being tapped.



#28 aramos

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:01

there is no driver in F1 that would lose it in that position, let alone someone as experienced as Kimi....it was probably a left rear puncture or he was tagged from behind by Alonso

 

Kimi just spun on his own last weekend. Lets not make out like its a once off.



#29 anyeis

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:01

So can we assume Kimi goes into the next race wit a penalty seeing as he's pretty much admitted the crash was his fault?

Hard to believe he just lost control of the car two races in a row.

 

It wasnt that type of crash where you run into someone. Wheelspin -> crash. Racing incident


Edited by anyeis, 21 June 2015 - 13:03.


#30 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:01

So can we assume Kimi goes into the next race wit a penalty seeing as he's pretty much admitted the crash was his fault?

Hard to believe he just lost control of the car two races in a row.

Why would they penalize him? It's not like he caused a collision which was avoidable.



#31 brunberg

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:02

He lost it on a straight line, has to be puncture or something like that.



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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:03

Err, not claiming to be any expert here but i dont find it plausible that he simply lost it without any issues...lets wait and see what further evidence unfolds

Alonso (I'm quoting him since he's the witness who saw it from the closest distance) seems to think it was because of the low quality of the tyres



#33 dreamer

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:07

Alonso (I'm quoting him since he's the witness who saw it from the closest distance) seems to think it was because of the low quality of the tyres

 

He knows nothing... He obviously doesn't read this thread to know that Kimi forgot how to drive...  :p


Edited by dreamer, 21 June 2015 - 13:07.


#34 krea

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:11

Rear spin happens all the time. Remember when Alonso kicked out Hülkenberg in Monaco?
 

If the tyres don't create enough grip it will lead to rear spin. Mostlikely Kimi failed to push the tyres to the correct temperature window.



#35 Adelaide

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:16

Rear spin happens all the time. Remember when Alonso kicked out Hülkenberg in Monaco?
 
If the tyres don't create enough grip it will lead to rear spin. Mostlikely Kimi failed to push the tyres to the correct temperature window.


Maybe in hindsight it would have been better to start on super softs but who knows if it would have helped.

#36 Oho

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:52

Well that was weird accident. Interested to hear more about it.

 

It was rather odd, he was well out of the corner and wheel spin should not send the car off like that. Well he is not doing himself any favors, the speed is there, it seems, but somehow he manages to blow it time after time.



#37 brr

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:54

Is the engine map in start configuration during the full 1st lap? Maybe he lost it for the same reason as in Canada.



#38 Oho

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:56

Is the engine map in start configuration during the full 1st lap? Maybe he lost it for the same reason as in Canada.

 

Did not like seem like it at all. He had a lot more speed was already on 2nd if not third. That is what makes it odd, he lost it at pretty high speed.



#39 krobinson

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:56

Kimi was super lucky that his hand wasn't badly cut in the crash today. Very very close call. As for the spin, very weird, because he was far out of the corner already and usually when you get so much wheelspin, it happens during the initial part of the acceleration. All in all, a weekend to forget.

vettel didn't exactly shine either.



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#40 dreamer

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:58

Did not like seem like it at all. He had a lot more speed was already on 2nd if not third. That is what makes it odd, he lost it at pretty high speed.

 

That's what he said in his sky interview... that it was strange to have a wheel spin there because it was in a pretty high speed. 



#41 Rhardrks

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:59

The incident is still under investigation so there could be a penalty.

Average from Vettel today. Ferrari messed his pitstop up but he really should have had a go at overtaking Massa given his car advantage.



#42 Radion

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 13:59

Look at the rev limiter on the dasboard:

 

Usually it goes up from left to right, while his upshifts it was already at the right all the time. 

Hm, maybe going off the power for a slight moment would have brought them down a little?


Edited by Radion, 21 June 2015 - 14:02.


#43 tormave

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:00

He lost it on a straight line, has to be puncture or something like that.

It could be a repeat of Canada. First lap so it was still that same start-mode engine map. Kimi wasn't on the kerb, but the wheel spin continued through the gears. Due to the cars being bottled up in turn two, they accelerated almost from a standstill down the hill.

Very odd they didn't show a replay from Alonso's car, and very very happy Alonso's undertray didn't hit Kimi's helmet.

#44 VincentVega

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:00

It looked like a typical puncture spin to me.

And the lack of camera replays is just pathetic. I know they save money on everything they can, but does it really cost that much to record the race from every T-cam. It wonders me since many years. The most advanced sport in the world and they should record everything from every possible position/angle all the time, to avoid these kind of situations where whe don't have any decent replay.



#45 paulesko

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:04

Alonso´s accident

 

https://twitter.com/...1557919745?s=09



#46 Gasp

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:08

Look at the rev limiter on the dasboard:

 

Usually it goes up from left to right, while his upshifts it was already at the right all the time. 

Hm, maybe going off the power for a slight moment would have brought them down a little?

Whoa!
Look about from 0.10 ->.. If Kimi wouldn`t take his hand off from the wheel, he wouldn`t have one hand.



#47 Msaman

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:14

Look at the rev limiter on the dasboard:

 

Usually it goes up from left to right, while his upshifts it was already at the right all the time. 

Hm, maybe going off the power for a slight moment would have brought them down a little?

I defo think is a techical issue.It's wierd why does only happen to him.And for all the ppl bashing him guys take a chill pill.



#48 Quickshifter

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:17

Kimi not only destroyed his race but destroyed the only Mclaren with new parts. Yes it was not deliberate but he looked a bit silly loosing it in 4th or 5th gear in a straight line. I am not saying it is impossible to loose it in such a fashion but highly unusual. It was nice to see, it was Fernando who was not to blame for the incident was actually checking if Kimi was O.K and tried to help him out of the car. Hopefully Kimi learns his lessons cos at the moment he is proving to be an embarrassment for Ferrari with his crash today after yesterday's qualifying Fiasco, his stupid x rated rants on the radio and his  antics with the media after qualifying.


Edited by Quickshifter, 21 June 2015 - 14:20.


#49 as65p

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:20

Yeah, Kimi couldn't be bothered to race today, so instead he decided to crash and almost lost his hand.

 

I don't think KR decides much these days. Things just appear to happen to him.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=S0nlygb1Qfw



#50 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 14:20

Lets wait for the investigations if there was something wrong on the tyres or in the car, there could have been so called slow puncture or broken rear suspension. But lets see if there was any problem or just a driver error.