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#201 TheRacingElf

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 11:51

Hello there,

 

I'm a girl who hates painting their nails and loves fast cars.  :drunk:

I hope you understand I was talking in a more general way. It's always nice to see girls who love cars! I have absolutely nothing against that, in fact I really like girls that share the same passion as me but what I wanted to say is that in general girls have different interest than boys. That's just how it is and you can't change that, so I don't really understand why people find it concerning the majority of the F1 fan base is male



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#202 JHSingo

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 11:57

This decade does include the fastest F1 cars of all time.

 

Fastest does not equal best in my opinion.

 

Personally, I voted as the cars from the 70s as being the best looking, even though I wasn't born then. I look at pictures of cars from the 70s and 80s, and think they're just so much cooler than cars from the 2000s.

 

2000s cars got to a stage where they all more or less looked the same, and as the years went on, started growing hideous winglets etc everywhere. So I'm not too sure why they were voted as the best looking, even though that was the era I grew up following the sport. :lol:



#203 Razoola

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:06

Pity autosport never included a geographical breakdown of what countries those 35000 survey people were from. Still 35000 is not very many for what is a global sport is it.

#204 chunder27

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:11

Interesting to see a lot of results based around cost being the reason people do not go anymore.

 

Sad thing is, enough people still handout to make that fact totally ignored by FOM



#205 Coops3

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:17

So how is it that the "global" AutoSport / F1 Racing Survey has Hamilton as the most popular whereas the GPDA survey doesn't even have him in the top three?



#206 Nonesuch

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:26

So how is it that the "global" AutoSport / F1 Racing Survey has Hamilton as the most popular whereas the GPDA survey doesn't even have him in the top three?

 

They can't very well force people to take the survey. :p They've probably weighted the survey in an attempt to make the results representative of a global audience, but it's not easy to do when such surveys haven't been done very often before - especially on this scale and in such detail. The GPDA survey was weighted as well.



#207 GTRacer

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:28

Some contradictions with the GPDA survey & some odd & disappointing surprises.

 

 

One of the odd things is that most say they wouldn't be willing to pay for an online streaming service, I found that a little odd considering that some sort of official streaming platform is something that you constantly hear a lot of fans asking for.

 

Something that contradicted the GPDA survey & other poll's i've seen more recently is that most voted to keep DRS, It also contradicts another question where most were against artificial means been used to improve the racing.

 

I was surprised to see Australia, Japan & Brazil as far down the popular Gp list as they are with Hungary ahead of them.

 

I was surprised to see so many say they don't use a second screen for live timing because the data we used to get regarding how many people were using the timing services was always extremely high.

 

 

I was kinda pleasantly surprised that the opinions regarding the current engine formula was so close, All you ever really hear is the negative complaints so to see so many actually do favor the current formula & that there was only 3-4% difference shows that fan opinion on the formula its not all negative & not even a vast majority negative as you often hear claimed.

 

 

 

Something I would like to know is the regional breakdown as I get the distinct feeling that this one may have been more euro-centric than the GPDA one which seemed to have a decent worldwide spread, Maybe i'm wrong but i'm not sure I am.


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#208 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:35

I was surprised to see Australia, Japan & Brazil as far down the popular Gp list as they are with Hungary ahead of them.


Cost immediately jumps out at me.

#209 Kristian

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:42

Can I ask why this is concerning according to you? I mean why has everything have to be "equal" these days? men and women are different you know.. Boys like fast cars and girls like painting their nails. The nail painting organisation can do everything they want but nothing is going to make me want to paint my nails.


Because less than 10% of F1 fans are female - I don't expect it to be 50/50, but for a global sport we should be at least looking at 25%. That figure says to me we are alienating half the population.

I'm not a feminist whatsover, but it is healthy for a sport as big as F1 to be so skewed towards one gender?

I'm surprised my comments caused such concern...

#210 Nonesuch

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:51

I'm not a feminist whatsover, but it is healthy for a sport as big as F1 to be so skewed towards one gender?

 

Do you think it is not? F1 has done quite well so far, and I have no reason to suspect the glory days - as described by some - featured a significantly different balance between male and female viewers.

 

F1 is also skewed towards those who prefer more technical freedom, yet the FIA is content to go further down the standardization route with seemingly each passing year! :p

 

On a more serious note; F1 as a commercial project would obviously be thrilled to expand its audience, and I'm sure the money guys are always looking at ways to expand the audience, whether that's Chinese in general, or German women in particular. But at the same time the major sponsors are already spreading their promotional activities between events and sports to maximize their exposure to specific groups. There's plenty of such events where it's the men who are few and far between.



#211 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:55

Before we go too far down the rabbit hole of gender issues, let's not assume that the survey answers or demographics represent 100% of the F1 fanbase.



#212 Fastcake

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 12:57

Because less than 10% of F1 fans are female - I don't expect it to be 50/50, but for a global sport we should be at least looking at 25%. That figure says to me we are alienating half the population.

I'm not a feminist whatsover, but it is healthy for a sport as big as F1 to be so skewed towards one gender?

I'm surprised my comments caused such concern...


There will be a male skew to the audience, but I doubt the actual balance is anywhere near as low as 90/10.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 15:23

So how is it that the "global" AutoSport / F1 Racing Survey has Hamilton as the most popular whereas the GPDA survey doesn't even have him in the top three?

It's because the GPDA survey was actually global whereas the voters, of which there weren't many, in the Autosport/F1 Racing/Motorsport News (all Haymarket publications) survey were obviously mostly Brits.



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 15:59

I am saddened thet both the GPDA and autosport survey has had 60% of the prople voting that they want to minimize overtaking by reintroducing refueling.

It is just sad that people dont think ahead about the consequences of their decisions.. On the forum discussion almost everybody knew refueling leads to almost no real overtaking and still 60% of the people in the survey vote otherwise. I hope that before they do something stupid like reintroducing refueling they work on the cars ground effect as the problem with current overtaking is all in that it is almost impossible to closely follow your competition to setup a overtake.

#215 Tapz63

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 18:42

It's about quality not quantity. Right now strategy (pit stops) is dictated by how nicely you can treat the tyres so as people want better quality tyres they also want refueling to make pit stops neccessary. Bonus that it allows the cars to run lighter and faster more often.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 19:56

It's about quality not quantity.

I agree with that sentiment but don't believe refueling would improve the quality of anything, It certainly didn't the last time when it helped make the quality of the on-track racing far worse.

 

 

Regardless refueling isn't going to happen anyway, The strategy group unanimously voted against it at the last meeting just before the British Gp & given how unpopular it was amongst the teams, technical groups & mechanics I can't see it been raised again anytime soon.

 

 

as people want better quality tyres they also want refueling to make pit stops neccessary.

 

I don't quite get why there is the perceived need for pit stops, Maybe its just because its what many of the younger fans have grown up with & now the thought of less/no stops is alien to them?

 

If you go back to before 1994 it wasn't uncommon for drivers to run non-stop on the hardest tyre compounds & I don't recall anyone complaining about that or the quality of the racing.

 

 

I've always felt that removing the need to make pit stops & therefore putting all of the focus on the actual racing & therefore giving drivers a much larger incentive to push to overtake on the track would do far more good for the quality of racing than anything else.

 

Be it refueling or mandatory pit stops for tyres when you have a way to pass without having to risk the car your always going to have teams defaulting to that & drivers not pushing as hard to try to overtake as they could. Earlier this year for instance have we heard Hamilton complaining about it been "impossible" to overtake someone (Despite others pulling off good overtakes in the same race) while pushing the team to do something to get him past via the undercut? Imagine if there was no guaranteed undercut because the car ahead may not be stopping at all... That woudl force Lewis to make something happen rather than backing off to complain on the radio & wait for the team to call him in.

 

Its perhaps no coincidence that you often see drivers come up from lower categories able to pull off overtakes while established F1 drivers seem less willing to because the young kids from lower categories tend to not be used to the mentality of sitting behind to wait for the pit stops so they always go for it while the established F1 drivers are used to the teams defaulting to strategy so there more willing to sit back & wait for the stops.



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 22:51

 

 

If you go back to before 1994 it wasn't uncommon for drivers to run non-stop on the hardest tyre compounds & I don't recall anyone complaining about that or the quality of the racing.

 

 

The bitching in 1994, and that era, were widespread and constant - you are just being selective. 

 

 



#218 age

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 22:58

Based on the Favourite Driver Question,  I would say majority who completed this survey were from the UK,   a very large majority.



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 23:07

I don't quite get why there is the perceived need for pit stops, Maybe its just because its what many of the younger fans have grown up with & now the thought of less/no stops is alien to them?

 

If you go back to before 1994 it wasn't uncommon for drivers to run non-stop on the hardest tyre compounds & I don't recall anyone complaining about that or the quality of the racing.

 

 

I've always felt that removing the need to make pit stops & therefore putting all of the focus on the actual racing & therefore giving drivers a much larger incentive to push to overtake on the track would do far more good for the quality of racing than anything else.

 

Be it refueling or mandatory pit stops for tyres when you have a way to pass without having to risk the car your always going to have teams defaulting to that & drivers not pushing as hard to try to overtake as they could. Earlier this year for instance have we heard Hamilton complaining about it been "impossible" to overtake someone (Despite others pulling off good overtakes in the same race) while pushing the team to do something to get him past via the undercut? Imagine if there was no guaranteed undercut because the car ahead may not be stopping at all... That woudl force Lewis to make something happen rather than backing off to complain on the radio & wait for the team to call him in.

 

Its perhaps no coincidence that you often see drivers come up from lower categories able to pull off overtakes while established F1 drivers seem less willing to because the young kids from lower categories tend to not be used to the mentality of sitting behind to wait for the pit stops so they always go for it while the established F1 drivers are used to the teams defaulting to strategy so there more willing to sit back & wait for the stops.

 

Completely agreed. Personally - I can take or leave refuelling, didn't mourn it's passing and I'm not exactly protesting to have it back. But if someone has decided that we have to have pit stops then they might as well refuel.

 

I've just tonight watched (full) re-runs of the first two races of 1992 - South Africa and Mexico. No planned pitstops, just racing. Of course nowadays people would brand it "boring" because the Mansell/Williams combo cleaned up in both of them, but there were great drives through the field and/or many position changes behind for those paying attention. All without pitstops or purposely degrading tyres.

 

EDIT: Midway through the Brazilian GP right now and that's fun too.


Edited by FerrariV12, 29 July 2015 - 23:11.


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 12:26

I've just tonight watched (full) re-runs of the first two races of 1992 - South Africa and Mexico. No planned pitstops, just racing. Of course nowadays people would brand it "boring" because the Mansell/Williams combo cleaned up in both of them, but there were great drives through the field and/or many position changes behind for those paying attention. All without pitstops or purposely degrading tyres.

 

EDIT: Midway through the Brazilian GP right now and that's fun too.

And the massive advantage Williams had that year was more down to the various electronic aids they had than anything else.

It was a good car with good drivers without them but having all the electronics, Especially with how advanced they were getting the active suspension was just that bit extra which pushed them 1-1.5 seconds further ahead.

 

And then there was Honda deciding to move to a V12 which didn't help McLaren as the V12 was larger, heavier, needed more cooling & a larger fuel tank which compromised the design of the car. The V12 also wasn't as drivable as the V10 had been & I seem to recall Senna been less than pleased with the change.



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Posted 30 July 2015 - 13:35

Some contradictions with the GPDA survey & some odd & disappointing surprises.

 

 

One of the odd things is that most say they wouldn't be willing to pay for an online streaming service, I found that a little odd considering that some sort of official streaming platform is something that you constantly hear a lot of fans asking for.

 

Something that contradicted the GPDA survey & other poll's i've seen more recently is that most voted to keep DRS, It also contradicts another question where most were against artificial means been used to improve the racing.

 

I was surprised to see Australia, Japan & Brazil as far down the popular Gp list as they are with Hungary ahead of them.

 

I was surprised to see so many say they don't use a second screen for live timing because the data we used to get regarding how many people were using the timing services was always extremely high.

 

 

I was kinda pleasantly surprised that the opinions regarding the current engine formula was so close, All you ever really hear is the negative complaints so to see so many actually do favor the current formula & that there was only 3-4% difference shows that fan opinion on the formula its not all negative & not even a vast majority negative as you often hear claimed.

 

 

 

Something I would like to know is the regional breakdown as I get the distinct feeling that this one may have been more euro-centric than the GPDA one which seemed to have a decent worldwide spread, Maybe i'm wrong but i'm not sure I am.

 

Because less than 10% of F1 fans are female - I don't expect it to be 50/50, but for a global sport we should be at least looking at 25%. That figure says to me we are alienating half the population.

I'm not a feminist whatsover, but it is healthy for a sport as big as F1 to be so skewed towards one gender?

I'm surprised my comments caused such concern...

 

What's been published are top-line figures. Having worked in Market Research for over 30 years now, I can tell you all that you should take these numbers with a pinch of salt. Most mean nothing at all. You need to breakdown the numbers and understand the kind of people who are giving particular answers and then look more closely at the answers from the kind of people you're really interested in.



#222 senna da silva

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 19:43

The only caveat that should be taken from this is that polls are meaningless.



#223 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 19:46

The only caveat that should be taken from this is that polls are meaningless.

 

8 out of 10 cats would agree



#224 Tapz63

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 20:22

I agree with that sentiment but don't believe refueling would improve the quality of anything, It certainly didn't the last time when it helped make the quality of the on-track racing far worse.


Regardless refueling isn't going to happen anyway, The strategy group unanimously voted against it at the last meeting just before the British Gp & given how unpopular it was amongst the teams, technical groups & mechanics I can't see it been raised again anytime soon.



I don't quite get why there is the perceived need for pit stops, Maybe its just because its what many of the younger fans have grown up with & now the thought of less/no stops is alien to them?

If you go back to before 1994 it wasn't uncommon for drivers to run non-stop on the hardest tyre compounds & I don't recall anyone complaining about that or the quality of the racing.


I've always felt that removing the need to make pit stops & therefore putting all of the focus on the actual racing & therefore giving drivers a much larger incentive to push to overtake on the track would do far more good for the quality of racing than anything else.

Be it refueling or mandatory pit stops for tyres when you have a way to pass without having to risk the car your always going to have teams defaulting to that & drivers not pushing as hard to try to overtake as they could. Earlier this year for instance have we heard Hamilton complaining about it been "impossible" to overtake someone (Despite others pulling off good overtakes in the same race) while pushing the team to do something to get him past via the undercut? Imagine if there was no guaranteed undercut because the car ahead may not be stopping at all... That woudl force Lewis to make something happen rather than backing off to complain on the radio & wait for the team to call him in.

Its perhaps no coincidence that you often see drivers come up from lower categories able to pull off overtakes while established F1 drivers seem less willing to because the young kids from lower categories tend to not be used to the mentality of sitting behind to wait for the pit stops so they always go for it while the established F1 drivers are used to the teams defaulting to strategy so there more willing to sit back & wait for the stops.


Pit stops I would agree should not be mandated. But they do add something to the race in allowing different stratgies so I would not go as far as to say they should be completely done away with, as you seem to be implying.

Refueling is just another thing that could be thrown in the strategy mix and would not be the end of overtaking. With Drs passing is a breeze on most tracks and where it isn't we don't see much overtaking anyway. If the new rules allow the cars to run closer then that should help too. But yeah as you said refueling is a no go so no point in discussing it really.

I agree generally with the idea of putting the focus on the racing but I would not like that to come from taking away the strategic aspect of the sport. I think a better way to do that is to have real racing tyre's, add more speed and cut off radio to a large degree.

#225 Nonesuch

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 22:00

The only caveat that should be taken from this is that polls are meaningless.

 
Hardly, but it's quite possible to get the results 'wrong' if you weigh the answers without the experience of doing similar surveys over an extended period of time. It's part of the reason why it's so difficult for political pollsters to get a good grasp on new parties or candidates.



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Posted 30 July 2015 - 22:04

Completely agreed. Personally - I can take or leave refuelling, didn't mourn it's passing and I'm not exactly protesting to have it back. But if someone has decided that we have to have pit stops then they might as well refuel.

 

I've just tonight watched (full) re-runs of the first two races of 1992 - South Africa and Mexico. No planned pitstops, just racing. Of course nowadays people would brand it "boring" because the Mansell/Williams combo cleaned up in both of them, but there were great drives through the field and/or many position changes behind for those paying attention. All without pitstops or purposely degrading tyres.

 

EDIT: Midway through the Brazilian GP right now and that's fun too.

 

I always thought the way pit stops used to be was best. You could stop for a splash of fuel if you wanted and you could stop for a tyre change if you wanted.  But there was always a cost in terms of lost time, the fastest way was without stops.  That's the way it should be unless the races are lengthened so that stops are necessary as they are in endurance racing.  It's ridiculous to see cars rushing to the pits every 20 mins or so; it makes the race hard to follow, can break up a good scrap and encourages strategic overtaking.



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Posted 30 July 2015 - 22:30

What about mandating a drive through the pit-lane (as per the penalty) at some point in the race? No need to stop for tyres (or fuel if permitted) if you don't want to, but you can if you want.



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Posted 30 July 2015 - 23:30

What about mandating a drive through the pit-lane (as per the penalty) at some point in the race? No need to stop for tyres (or fuel if permitted) if you don't want to, but you can if you want.

 

I wouldn't be a fan of that, but this post has got my mind on to another point. Pre-Monaco '94 there was no speed limit in the pit lane, introduced largely because of the Alboreto pitlane incident at Imola that kind of got forgotten amongst the Barrichello/Ratzenberger/Senna crashes, so the equation was different, taking a non-mandatory stop just for the sake of tyres was more likely as you wouldn't lose as much time and you could make it up through the fresher rubber easier. This proposal would restore that balance.

 

But my overriding feeling is that Grand Prix racing any racing should be about getting from A to B as quickly as possible in the conditions with a technologically legal car without the governing body also mandating race strategy on the competitors.


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#229 aice

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 10:43

So how is it that the "global" AutoSport / F1 Racing Survey has Hamilton as the most popular whereas the GPDA survey doesn't even have him in the top three?

Perhaps Hamilton's fan simply never bothered to vote.  The average age of the participants in the GPDA survey was 37. We know Hamilton is massively popular among the younger F1 audience. Also when your guy is winning, you don't necessarily want change so why take part in a survey designed to help bring about change? Just a thought...



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 11:02

It's because the GPDA survey was actually global whereas the voters, of which there weren't many, in the Autosport/F1 Racing/Motorsport News (all Haymarket publications) survey were obviously mostly Brits.

 

Autosport was also a global survey. Although commissioned by British Autosport,, the headline and details clearly state GLOBAL so participants would have been from around the world. If it was just mainly Brits participating as you have suggested,, you would expect to see a British team being voted top. Instead Ferrari, who are Italian are top. Also if just mainly Brits as you are suggesting, you would expect to see Jenson Button being place higher up in popularity, instead of  being placed behind a Finn and tying with a Spaniard....


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Posted 01 August 2015 - 11:08

I always thought the way pit stops used to be was best. You could stop for a splash of fuel if you wanted and you could stop for a tyre change if you wanted.  But there was always a cost in terms of lost time, the fastest way was without stops.  That's the way it should be unless the races are lengthened so that stops are necessary as they are in endurance racing.  It's ridiculous to see cars rushing to the pits every 20 mins or so; it makes the race hard to follow, can break up a good scrap and encourages strategic overtaking.

 

When was it ever the case that not stopping was faster?

 

The reason Brabham adopted the modern pit stop strategy in 1982 and half capacity fuel tank in 1983 was because they knew it was faster than doing the whole race with a full fuel tank.



#232 aice

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 11:21

I once viewed the comments section on one of Lewis's photos on Facebook (I forget what the photo involved). It was full of neckbeards making nasty comments against him, which were way worse than any of the driver bashing we get on this forum (barring a few exceptions). It was real YouTube comments stuff.

 

It would seem that some "like" his page, in order to express dislike.

 

I would say Lewis is the most famous current driver, and the one who evokes the most emotion. As for the most popular? That is highly disputable.

 

You don't have to "like" on Facebook to leave a comment- negative or positive. Most people "like" a page because they support that person and are a fan. And on the whole. most of the messages on Lewis's Facebook page will be supportive but as with any page open to the public.there will always been some criticism. I have visited other drivers' Facebook pages WITHOUT "liking" it because i am not a fan and they also had negative messages too.........all drivers will get both good and bad messages from time to time.


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#233 Marklar

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 22:08

Without the GPDA this time it seems

 

Motorsport Network launches second Global Fan Survey on Formula 1: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128653/motorsport-network-launches-global-fan-survey 



#234 jonpollak

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 23:06

I voted for cheerleaders and cameltoes and all that stuff

#235 SKL

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 03:52

Just got the survey in my email...  should I fill it out before or after the race?? :)



#236 Docc

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 04:03

Kim Kardashian has over 30 million followers on twitter and well she is famous for sure, but popular..well

Maybe if Hamilton could gain 40lbs of ass and do a sex scene with Kanye..he could get there..



#237 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 04:21

Slightly annoyed with myself as I forgot to say to produce better wet tyres and tell Charlie/the drivers to stop being wusses in the wet and just bloody well race unless the track is actually flooded ie Canada 2011 under the red flag and actually let them race on full wets.



#238 turssi

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 04:32

That was one big and boring survey. Told them to keep F1 simple and fast and to give FIA and FOM a dose of transparency.

#239 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 04:37

Ah a survey again. 

Soon the team managers will start sending letters to each other and the F1 management again. 



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#240 Ruusperi

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 08:07

Done.

Last time it had no impact whatsoever. Instead we got the qualifying fiasco, overtaking/radio rules, and we lost Manor.