Regulation changes confirmed for the Belgian Grand Prix - thoughts?
#1
Posted 02 July 2015 - 17:58
The big one is the manual starts. For me I fear they're rushing into it too quickly, if it ends up affecting the outcome of the championship between the Mercedes drivers, I don't think the fans will be impressed.
#3
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:00
Are they actually in such panic? Situation must be worse than we thought.
I'd liked to have a complete reboot of the series 2017 or better 2016 but not such half-baked things mid-season.
#4
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:01
More randomness. Good for "the show" right Bernie?
#5
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:03
Seriously...why do we bother!?
#6
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:05
And here's the FIA press release to go with it: https://twitter.com/...661146100178945
#7
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:07
#8
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:07
And here's the FIA press release to go with it: https://twitter.com/...661146100178945
For those who don't want to go to Twitter:
#9
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:08
This is good for the sport, so a good idea.
#10
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:10
This is good for the sport, so a good idea.
Next season yes, but mid-way through a season doesn't send out positive vibes about the way this sport is ran.
#11
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:11
More downforce ??!!
#12
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:13
More downforce ??!!
Makes no sense to me either. They want harder to drive cars but are killing that by planting the cars to the floor even more just to see quicker lap times. Lap times mean nothing to fans, the cars look quick enough on the track and if they see good racing they wont care. There's no need for more downforce...
#13
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:17
Are we going to see this now ?
#14
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:19
Well, more downforce equals more speed in the corners.
#15
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:19
Well, more downforce equals more speed in the corners.
Yes, but it's also lets you attack the corner with confidence. The car is planted.
Edited by J0rd4n, 02 July 2015 - 18:22.
#16
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:23
#17
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:23
#18
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:24
More power will offset more downforce. The cars will probably drive nearly the same unless theyre totally redone.
Depends how much more downforce and how much more power though. From reading that "significantly increased aerodynamic downforce" suggests the cars will have loads more downforce, but power wont be increased by significant amounts. They're still committing to the V6 hybrids.
Edited by J0rd4n, 02 July 2015 - 18:25.
#19
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:27
needs more fan boost
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#20
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:36
needs more fan boost
McLaren winning the fan boost vote followed by both cars blowing up would be in line with how this season feels.
#21
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:36
Nice to see they've recognised how they shafted Honda and ensured that no sane engine manufacturer will want to join any time in the next 10 years.
#22
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:37
#23
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:39
More downforce means more turbulent air, so less close racing. They've clearly landed on 'Mid season rule change' on my monopoly board.
Depends on the type of downforce though, ground effect would hopefully reduce turbulent air.
#24
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:39
Why oh Why, can't they leave the rules alone during the season... :/ :? :'(
#25
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:51
I think its a good idea but not now during the season. But at least it will spice things up...
Edited by Marklar, 02 July 2015 - 18:51.
#26
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:52
Surely we fans can do something to reach out to people in the media such as, I can't believe I'm saying this David Croft, who can then tell the guys in the Strategy Group that we don't wanna see the race weekend format being changed and into a gimmick and that it's fine as it is. Leave reverse grids and sprint races for GP2 and other junior formulas.
#27
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:54
The changes being implemented for this season aren't really too big of a hindrance.
Are you guys not ever satisfied by anything?
#28
Posted 02 July 2015 - 18:57
As for the change to the format of the weekend, I get the impression the yare thrashing around in the dark, and that everybody must have one screwball idea implemented to feel part of the decision making process.
#29
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:01
#30
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:03
Changes to the start isn't gonna change Mercedes domination. It'll just favour one Merc driver more than the other, I'm not expecting it to produce anything more exciting. It could have waited.
#31
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:04
http://www.motorspor...from-belgian-gp
The big one is the manual starts. For me I fear they're rushing into it too quickly, if it ends up affecting the outcome of the championship between the Mercedes drivers, I don't think the fans will be impressed.
Your worried that NR will get an advantage over LH if the changes go ahead then?
#32
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:05
Of course its more exciting. Now the Merc could fall in the start into 6th, 7th or 8th place and have to fight throught the pack. How can that not be more exciting? (Eventhought its stupid to change regulations during the season....)Changes to the start isn't gonna change Mercedes domination. It'll just favour one Merc driver more than the other, I'm not expecting it to produce anything more exciting. It could have waited.
#33
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:07
Or Lewis (like last year with the team radio clap down)Your worried that NR will get an advantage over LH if the changes go ahead then?
#34
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:08
Is it an easy task removing all the launch software from the car? And could this lead to more stresses on the PU/Transmissions?
Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 02 July 2015 - 19:09.
#35
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:12
Well, more downforce equals more speed in the corners.
Overly simplistic. If a car relies on downforce generated by the car's upper surfaces then it becomes very susceptible to losing downforce when following another car closely. If it instead relies on underfloor ground effect tunnels then fine. They need to greatly reduce the downforce generated by the upper car surfaces and greatly increase the downforce generated by the floor (e.g. proper ground effects tunnels). I'd much rather have a car with oodles of mechanical grip than aerodynamic downforce generated by the upper surfaces of the car, since relying on aero destroys close racing.
#36
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:12
#37
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:14
#38
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:20
Of course its more exciting. Now the Merc could fall in the start into 6th, 7th or 8th place and have to fight throught the pack. How can that not be more exciting? (Eventhought its stupid to change regulations during the season....)
Wishful thinking, much like when we had the FRIC ban. I honestly don't see that happening given they're all going to be in the same position. There was loads of hype over the FRIC ban, nothing happened.
Your worried that NR will get an advantage over LH if the changes go ahead then?
Nah, Lewis is a great driver and is known for adapting well to difficult cars/regulation changes. If anything I expect it to be Nico.
#39
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:21
I like the idea of forcing the drivers to rely less on pit coaching. I definitely do not like the idea of any major change mid-season.
Is this a feeble attempt to spice up what is a forgone conclusion and a vapid season?
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#40
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:25
is this cause the word boring was used to describe current of F1 In the fan survey. All for this rule change myself, but bit off brining it in mid season.
#41
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:28
What do they mean by manual starts?
#42
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:36
The wording of the FIA release concerned me slightly. Lots of use of the word "exciting" and I'm sure I saw an "unpredictable" in there. It doesn't suggest much concern for the integrity of the racing, sounds more like they're still stuck on The Show Will Fix All record.
Less coaching is actual great, now they are nothing more as Radio Controlled puppets sometimes.
"Unpredictability" will come from drivers who have been too hard on their tyres and got it wrong with fuel saving...I like it not knowing till the end when some drivers all of sudden lose a second or more a lap because their tyres are gone and others running out of fuel close to the finish.
Edited by CurbPainter, 02 July 2015 - 19:36.
#43
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:37
Without software (launch control, start mode).What do they mean by manual starts?
Edited by Marklar, 02 July 2015 - 19:38.
#44
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:37
#45
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:40
What the hell is a "manual start"?
Edit: too late
Edited by Otaku, 02 July 2015 - 19:40.
#46
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:41
I believe that was just answered 2 posts above.
#47
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:41
Just give us manual gearboxes already!!!
#48
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:42
Manual race starts? Yay!
The rest? Like the "exciting and innovative changes to the qualifying and race weekend formats"? All I can say to that is that they'd better ****ing leave the 300 km Grands Prix on Sundays alone.
#49
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:46
Manual race starts? Yay!
The rest? Like the "exciting and innovative changes to the qualifying and race weekend formats"? All I can say to that is that they'd better ****ing leave the 300 km Grands Prix on Sundays alone.
But you know the fia... "If it ain't broke, fix it"
#50
Posted 02 July 2015 - 19:47
I applaud the manual starts, but not sure how realistic that is to implement.
I'll confess and say that I am not up to speed on the current launch control regs, so how automated/aided is it?