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[aramos]

6/10.

It had its moments but was ultimately as expected.

 

I kind of felt the same way. It was tense, but it wasn't really exciting. It had a sense of certain inevitability to it.

[Tourgott]

4/10

First stint good, after that pretty boring. Little bit entertaining when the rain started but not very long.

[Retrofly]

10, as a British Hamilton fan it doesn't get any better than this.

 

Note: The incident at T2 was initially cased by Kyvat

Edited by Retrofly, 06 July 2015 - 07:18.

[Marklar]

10, a British Hamilton fan it doesn't get any better than this.

 

Note: The incident at T2 was initially cased by Kyvat

No no, it is always Pastors fault

 

Finally this site got an update

 

http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/

[Bleu]

8/10

Best Driver: Massa was faultless.
Worst Driver: I say Verstappen, stupid mistake at the restart.
Best Team: Mercedes again
Best Overtake:  Massa's start
Best Moment: Williams running 1-2 for a good time
DRS + Tyres: DRS was good, gave better chance to overtake but not making any flyovers. Tyres - could have been degrading more but this shows that the amount of pit stops is not the indicator of how good the race is.
And the race in a sentence: Lots of excitement, but still ended with usual three on the podium.
 

Edited by Bleu, 06 July 2015 - 07:15.

[kvyatfan]

An 8/10. Without the poor decisions from Williams it could have been a ten. The weather was perfect for showing the drivers in tough conditions.

 

Best Driver: Kvyat, Vettel, Alonso
Worst Driver: Don't think anyone was worst. Verstappen maybe. Ricciardo maybe, but he may have pushed due to a power limit.
Best Team: Don't think anyone stands out. Generally poor decisions from the top teams.

Worst Team: Williams
Best Overtake: Williams at the start. Kvyat on Vettel.
Best Moment: Williams overtaking at the start and Kvyat pushing at the end. Vettel's great timing. The perfect timing/placement of the rain.
DRS + Tyres: ---
And the race in a sentence: Beautiful climate racing and anticlimatic Williams.

[CurbPainter]

10, as a British Hamilton fan it doesn't get any better than this.

 

Note: The incident at T2 was initially cased by Kyvat

 

It was Ricciardo.

 

http://www.formula1....ap-carnage.html

[Vesuvius]

8/10 started fantastically and was great until semi- rain spoiled the rest of the race.

 

Best Driver: Hamilton
Worst Driver: Ricciardo
Best Team: Mercedes, honourable mention for Williams that they made huge step forward after fridays poor day.

Worst Team: Toro Rosso, failed to achieve what was possible.
Best Overtake: Bottas over Hamilton after restart.
Best Moment: The start and restart, first stint.
DRS + Tyres: Tyres are way too hard, and pirelli is doing nothing to help by bringing the hardest compounds
And the race in a sentence: good racing until the rain came and didn´t came.

[SenorSjon]

I gave it a six. The suspense at the start was nice, but why the long SC? Most wrecks were way off the track. Once the rain started however, gaps were big between drivers and the Williams was very poor. In the end another easy win for Mercedes.

[Retrofly]

It was Ricciardo.

 

http://www.formula1....ap-carnage.html

My bad, Ted Kravitz is a lier!

[Marklar]

My bad, Ted Kravitz is a lier!

As Boullier said: You have to avoid Ted Kravitz

[kosmos]

9 out of 10, It had everything and it was very entertaining from the beginning almost to the end, and I won a bet

[SophieB]

I won a bet

So I see!

[JeePee]

9 out of 10. Great start, a high speed spin-off with gravel, changeble conditions, gambling for intermediates, (failed) overtakes for the lead.

 

Would be a 10/10 if it wasn't for a Merc 1-2 and loosing so many drivers in the first lap.

[Alexis*27]

And the race in a sentence: completely stuck in rating anything for this race because luck played a massive part in a lot of drivers' end results!

[FenderJaguar]

it was one of the best races this season so I gave it a 6. since most races this season are so boring.

good thing that Williams overtook Mercedes at the start so we got some entertainment. and the rain.

 

Best Driver: Vettel and Hamilton
Worst Driver: Verstappen didn't have a good day, went off by himself alone on a dry track
And the race in a sentence: Mercedes is 1 second faster but they tried to hide it. Again

[Afterburner]

Anyone giving this race a lower rating because Mercedes ended up with a 1-2 is bonkers. You might as well just read the results and rate each race based on that, then; that's like giving this year's 24 Hours of Le Mans a lower rating because Volkswagen won, or giving this year's Indy 500 a lower rating because Penske won. If anything, LH winning his home race should earn it some bonus points for sentimental value.

 

Personally, I thought it was great; F1 2015 finally delivered a race on par with Indycar 2015. Now watch them go and eff it all up next weekend with a one-stop race in Hungary.

[realracer200]

I have a feeling some people don't understand the difference between "best driver" and "driving the best car".

[Jordan44]

I have a feeling some people don't understand the difference between "best driver" and "driving the best car".

Merc have the best of both worlds. Two of the best drivers in the best car.

[Afterburner]

I have a feeling some people don't understand the difference between "best driver" and "driving the best car".

Which would be great except for the fact that those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

[DESCHAIN]

8/10, a very good race.

 

Best Driver: Vettel, Hamilton, Massa, Hulk.
Worst Driver: Ricciardo/Versttappen
Best Team: Mercedes.  

Worst Team: ?
Best Overtake: Massa on the Mercs.
Best Moment: The start! What a start.
DRS + Tyres: DRS didn't make a clear difference.  Looks like the teams have a clear understanting of the Tyres now, no surprises.

And the race in a sentence: good racing, then the rain arrived and the better judges of the conditions got the prize.

[gowebber]

Best Driver: Hulk or Hamilton - As far as I'm aware Hulk didn't make any mistakes throughout the weekend, and got the best finish he could get with that car (Also despite the focus on the Williams start his was the real rocketship start). Hamilton got the best result with his car, but he did manage to make a bit of meal of winning the race (though that did make it all the more entertaining)
Worst Driver: Ricciardo - He made a few mistakes, crossed the white line on his best qualifying the lap being perhaps a touch too aggressive at the start that may well have been the catalyst for all the mayhem. He's been a little underwhelming lately.
Best Team: Mercedes - Rose to the challenge presented by Williams, I don't think any other team maximised their result with both cars.
Best Overtake: Vettel passing Raikkonen - For the fact it showed the difference of one driver being comfortable in the conditions and the other not so comfortable.
Best Moment: Williams one-two hounded by Mercedes. Knew at that moment it would be a good race.
And the race in a sentence: Thankyou Williams for bottling up the Mercs and keeping the race for the win alive.

 

Ricciardo the worst?? Your kidding right? He was barely 3 cm's off track on his Q3 lap pushing in a car that had engine problems (Down on power all weekend and ultimately failing in the race). As for the mistakes? What mistakes? Alonso said both Lotus drivers were too aggressive into T1 and even the stewards didn't blame Ricciardo for the T1 incident. I'd take Alonso's word over Grosjean's anyday. I remember Webber calling him a 'first lap nutcase' a few years ago for his crazy antics

 

"Grosjean’s opinion contrasts with that of Fernando Alonso, who squarely blamed the  Lotus drivers after he collected his McLaren team-mate Jenson Button while attempting to take avoiding action."

 

http://www.gptoday.c...ning_lap_clash/

 

 

Ricciardo easily beat Kvyat in Austria and has had car issues in numerous weekends lately so cut him some slack. Once he gets a decent car with no issues I'm sure he will be back to his best.

Edited by gowebber, 06 July 2015 - 21:42.

[ClubmanGT]

I'll go 6. We were robbed of a good race when the rain came down and Rosberg lost nine seconds to Hamilton in the course of one lap. 

[AustinF1]

I voted 7. 7.46 avg after 188 votes. Sounds about right to me. 

[scheivlak]

I'd take Alonso's word over Grosjean's anyday. I remember Webber calling him a 'first lap nutcase' a few years ago for his crazy antics

 

"Grosjean’s opinion contrasts with that of Fernando Alonso, who squarely blamed the  Lotus drivers after he collected his McLaren team-mate Jenson Button while attempting to take avoiding action."

 

http://www.gptoday.c...ning_lap_clash/

 

 

Opinions don't matter when there is evidence.

 

Just look for yourself. Alonso is wrong.

[givemeabettercar]

I rarely post here, but to everyone saying the tyres are too hard...

 

http://forums.autosp...=+spanish +rate

[RekF1]

I gave it 9 out of 10.

Best Driver:Massa
Worst Driver:Max
Best Team: Mercedes
Best Overtake:I can't remember
Best Moment: Nico hunting Hamilton
DRS + Tyres: Not a big deal. Which is his they should be.
And the race in a sentence: in the dry, Massa and Hamilton were awesome. With the rain, Vettel and Nico were equally impressive.

[gowebber]

Opinions don't matter when there is evidence.

 

Just look for yourself. Alonso is wrong.

 

So the stewards are wrong too? Ricciardo has excellent car control as evidenced by his overtaking moves on Alonso and Hamilton last year or vs Vettel at Monza last year. I'd back his skills over a proven accident prone driver like Grosjean. Like Alonso said both Lotus drivers were aggressive into T1 and could have avoided the whole situation by backing off a bit. Ricciardo was already ahead even if he did have a slight lockup so its up to Grosjean who was behind to avoid contact (look at the onboard video). Look at the angle of Grosjean's wheels next to Ricciardo. He is turning in way sharper than the other cars around him. Ricciardo's car is over half a length ahead at this point too.

 

Ricciardo Onboard

 

 

Race start

 

Edited by gowebber, 07 July 2015 - 06:34.

[MastaKink]

Best Driver: A few stood out but I'll say Kvyat
Worst Driver: N/A
Best Team: Force India. The new chassis was worth the wait and I love the new nose
Best Overtake: Williams at the start
Best Moment:  The start and Lewis's pit call
DRS + Tyres: N/A
And the race in a sentence: Best of the season so far.

[Tenmantaylor]

Sniff right on point as ever: http://sniffpetrol.c...s/#.VZupR_lVhBc

 

I thought the British GP was Gr8!

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 07 July 2015 - 10:28.

[ANF]

Ricciardo Onboard

 

Race start

 

 

Thanks for the videos. So Ericsson was the one who hit Grosjean, who couldn't stay further to the right because Riccardio had taken the inside line. Good decision by the stewards.

 

Edit: Looks like that contact was followed by contact between Grosjean and Ricciardo (you can see the Red Bull shaking from the onboard). And had not Ericsson hit Grosjean, I think the Red Bull was heading towards to the right rear on the Sauber.

 

Second edit: Or was there a gap between Ericsson and Grosjean? Maybe there never was any contact between them and Ericsson lost the rear on his own?

Edited by ANF, 07 July 2015 - 14:43.

[HeidfeldsBeard]

So the stewards are wrong too? Ricciardo has excellent car control as evidenced by his overtaking moves on Alonso and Hamilton last year or vs Vettel at Monza last year. I'd back his skills over a proven accident prone driver like Grosjean. Like Alonso said both Lotus drivers were aggressive into T1 and could have avoided the whole situation by backing off a bit. Ricciardo was already ahead even if he did have a slight lockup so its up to Grosjean who was behind to avoid contact (look at the onboard video). Look at the angle of Grosjean's wheels next to Ricciardo. He is turning in way sharper than the other cars around him. Ricciardo's car is over half a length ahead at this point too.

 

Ricciardo Onboard

 

 

Race start

 

 

 

I still don't see how the Lotus drivers were the aggressors after watching those videos. Grosjean moved to avoid Ricciardo's 'video game' lunge up the inside, leading to contact with the Sauber which speared him into Maldonado who was minding his own business.

 

If you get chance to watch the overhead you'll notice just how much of a lunge it was.

Edited by HeidfeldsBeard, 07 July 2015 - 14:03.

[gowebber]

I still don't see how the Lotus drivers were the aggressors after watching those videos. Grosjean moved to avoid Ricciardo's 'video game' lunge up the inside, leading to contact with the Sauber which speared him into Maldonado who was minding his own business.

 

If you get chance to watch the overhead you'll notice just how much of a lunge it was.

 

I've watched all the replays. Other drivers including Ricciardo have pulled moves like that up the inside many times without incident, Ricciardo was ahead when contact was made so its up to the guy behind in this case Grosjean to try and avoid contact.. At that time Grosjean was pushing into an ever diminishing gap, between two cars. He's got brakes why not back off a bit as more often than not the car behind will come off second best in that scenario. Also I'd argue the cars on the outside didn't leave enough room either. Legal move from Ricciardo and good call by the stewards.

Edited by gowebber, 07 July 2015 - 14:30.

[kvyatfan]

Pretty difficult to cast blame on anyone. I think Alonso also said it was 'all a bit amateurish'. Ricciardo may have also been a bit too aggressive considering that Grosjean was in position to try a move on Ericsson, so adding another move into that corner meant three wide. Maybe a poor decision which could have resulted in Ricciardo being in Button's position. I thought earlier that Grosjean may have just been out of position, but Ricciardo basically forced Grosjean into capitulating, and Ericsson turned in slightly too.

 

I would have to see a heli view, but it doesn't look like Grosjean is to blame either. 'Either capitulate or take me off', that's the gamble with moves like this. It works for some of the power drivers (the Vettel/Hulkenberg move for example), but in this situation Ricciardo just lucked out in not getting taken out or given a penalty. Might he have received a penalty if he didn't fall out of the race with issues? Very possible.

 

Also a bit unfair to use Kvyat as a scapegoat. Kvyat had problems in Austria which were just as significant as Ricciardo's this weekend, so Ricciardo didn't "clearly beat him."

Edited by kvyatfan, 07 July 2015 - 14:43.

[Kristian]

So after half a season, the race ratings for Autosport forums are....

 

1. Malaysia (7.88)

2. Britain (7.48)

3. Bahrain (6.86)

4. China (5.14)

5. Monaco (4.69)

6. Austria (4.63)

7. Canada (4.56)

8. Spain (3.78)

9. Australia (3.35)

 

Averaging 5.37

 

Pretty dire really. 

[HeadFirst]

So after half a season, the race ratings for Autosport forums are....

 

1. Malaysia (7.88)

2. Britain (7.48)

3. Bahrain (6.86)

4. China (5.14)

5. Monaco (4.69)

6. Austria (4.63)

7. Canada (4.56)

8. Spain (3.78)

9. Australia (3.35)

 

Averaging 5.37

 

Pretty dire really. 

 

Dire yes, but skewed by the individuals that always vote zero.

[Kristian]

Dire yes, but skewed by the individuals that always vote zero.

 

Not really, if you take out those votes (and for fairness also the 10/10 votes, so both extremeties are excluded), its a pretty similar picture.

 

1. Malaysia (7.85)

2. Britain (7.36)

3. Bahrain (6.86)

4. China (5.39)

5. Monaco (5.09)

6. Austria (4.90)

7. Canada (4.81)

8. Spain (4.13)

9. Australia (4.01)

 

Average 5.6

[HeadFirst]

Not really, if you take out those votes (and for fairness also the 10/10 votes, so both extremeties are excluded), its a pretty similar picture.

 

1. Malaysia (7.85)

2. Britain (7.36)

3. Bahrain (6.86)

4. China (5.39)

5. Monaco (5.09)

6. Austria (4.90)

7. Canada (4.81)

8. Spain (4.13)

9. Australia (4.01)

 

Average 5.6

 

Surprising, but accurate it seems. In the case of the British GP you are dropping only1 zero, as opposed to 12 tens. That seems like it should make more of a difference. Just goes to show what you can do with pole results.

[kvyatfan]

People will often vote zero to try and force the results into a lower position, closer to what they estimate it should be. But it makes sense in a way, the race isn't a ten just because your team won. There are nationalities and percentage of followers who favour a single driver. Pretty hard to judge when that stuff happens.

 

Probably worse than metacritic.