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#51 Ikebana

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 23:55

And Alonso's right as usual. I personally go even beyond and think that these restrictions not only damage Formula 1, they are also damaging us societies as it's limiting technological advancements that could be part of our every day life. Road cars tires are now safer because of F1. Road cars brakes are better because of F1. Active suspension was created by Formula 1. ETC.

 

Do wonder if F1 had been limited as today if we would be missing some of this stuff we use every day in our lives.

 

And as with nature, in the economic stuff when someone leaves an empty space it's likely someone else will take it. I don't buy the budget thing, we had great moments in the past without these limitations.

 

Want to limit something and make F1 more affordable? Limit Bernie's hands on everything.

 

And Alonso's been critical since the beggining, only that people now pay him more attention (for a reason). People accusing Alonso of moaning or complaining about things only because he went to McHonda says much more about them than about Alonso actually.


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#52 Paco

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 01:55

Where he is wrong is also the lack of clarity on how to fix it... It's not just restrictions,. It's also the race.. Tires, fuel levels and conservative racing. For me, it's sooo dull as crap to watch a driver get out the car .. Barely breaking a sweat and knowing they haven't pushed hard all race.. Saving tires, saving fuel, saving revs to save engine life,,

#53 KingTiger

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 03:28

Yuppers, agreed.

 

Isn't it somehow more than stupid that a series of regulations have plunged Formula One into an era of insane and costs even the big teams never expected? And the really crazy part is that the political structure of the sport does not allow an easy solution.

 

Decades ago if someone came up with a good idea or a dominant car, it was only a matter of a few weeks before the competition was able to respond, and thus break the stranglehold on dominance. Now, even though teams and manufacturers have a good idea on how to solve their problems or at least a direction to go, the restrictions are so suffocating they just can't.

 

We spent a majority of the 90s with Williams lapping the entire field multiple times. In the past it was not a matter of weeks before the competition caught up. The rules in place now are exactly so a team can't do something like that. 

 

Teams pay whatever they wish to pay.

They do that already and they always did.

And that's how it should be, it's their money.

 

The budget will be limited as always.

Teams will try and avoid spending more than they earn, just like in every other business that isnt the government...

 

That is not the point. 

The point is that the last hundred million that the smaller teams have doesn't give as much of an advantage, so the smaller teams can live within their means, and not go broke trying to keep up with Ferrari and McLaren. 

 

Aero updates may be introduced frequently but they're relying a lot on CFD to be right. Will the parts work? Maybe they will maybe they won't. If one team makes a breakthrough how quickly can other teams catch up? Unrestricted testing allowed teams to try their solutions and get a working set-up quickly, levelling the playing field. You're never going to stop a team taking a significant step ahead of the others but you can limit the ability of others to catch up.

 

The engine argument is less clear, as you say there have been examples before where it's taken a couple of years for a manufacturer to bridge the gap, but when teams are pretty openly treating the races as test sessions that can't be a good sign for the sport can it? Not only is track testing time limited but the changes they make is limited too. Honda may understand how to make the best engine in the field by country mile right now (although I'm not convinced  ;)  ), but they could quite conceivably be limited by the token system to not being able to put it on track for another 2 years.

 

Obviously the current limits on engine and aero developments is mainly budget driven, but there must be a better balance.

 

...but I agree with the faster car bit.

 

Unrestricted testing is so incredibly expensive that its never cost effective, regardless of the benefits. This isn't a championship of whoever has the most money, if other teams aren't fit to use simulators to their advantage they will just suffer the consequences. The series can't be at the mercy of moneybag manufacturers that can leave at their whimsy.

Honda can not make the best engine in the field. If they could, they would. Tokens are not stopping them. Their facilities are trash, their staff consists of random engineers that don't know anything about F1, their chief manager doesn't even speak the same language as McLaren's people, those are the reasons their engine is the joke of the motorsport world. 

 

 

I think they should allow more testing during season. Not totally free like before but a lot more than currently is allowed. There has to be ways for teams to catch up. That was one of the great things before, that teams had the possibility to test to catch up.

 

How will the teams catch up if every team is allowed to test? There was no in season testing in 2009, yet McLaren went from last to first and in between. If the team can fix their issues they will catch up regardless of the conditions. 



#54 AustinF1

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 05:05

Where he is wrong is also the lack of clarity on how to fix it... It's not just restrictions,. It's also the race.. Tires, fuel levels and conservative racing. For me, it's sooo dull as crap to watch a driver get out the car .. Barely breaking a sweat and knowing they haven't pushed hard all race.. Saving tires, saving fuel, saving revs to save engine life,,

He's not wrong about that. He's complained about those things as well, more than once. It's just that the article the op quoted from doesn't cover those comments.



#55 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 06:05

I'm sick and tired of Alonso's moaning because he went to the wrong team. And I'm sick and tired of the comparison to GP2. If the GP2 cars a too fast, then slow them down for next year.  :evil:

:down:  :down:  :down:  Absurd.



#56 Pingguest

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 06:49

Well, Formula One cannot continously become faster to stay ahead of its feeder series. Sooner or later, the cars simply become too fast.

#57 Peter Perfect

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 08:30

Ah!..I see.Its all about the viewing figures. :eek: There was me all along under the impression it was all about the pinnacle of motorsport! ..Live and learn eh!  :kiss:

 

You're such a noble purist!  :kiss:  It can be anything it wants to be, but without an audience it won't survive.



#58 ANF

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 09:36

:down:  :down:  :down:  Absurd.

Is it? Here are some Hungaroring pole times:

       F1         F3000/GP2
2004   1:19.146   1:35.003
2014   1:22.715   1:28.436


#59 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 11:25

I was thinking of the 70's and 80's. Even then, a one year old car was obsolete. But I still hold to my opinion. In 2009 the double diffuser was used by Brawn to completely dominate the beginning of the season. By the end of the season, Red Bull had the better car.


You've ignored the Lotus 72, McLaren M23, McLaren MP4/2 (that one took 2 years to be caught) and MP4/4 from those eras. Having open development makes it just as likely that a dominant team will extend their advantage as to the competition close up.

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#60 Fastcake

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Posted 11 July 2015 - 11:43

:down: :down: :down: Absurd.


The GP2 cars have already been slowed down. Dallara could easily create a much faster car, but they've been told to create one several seconds slower than an F1 car. There's really no problem with slowing them down a little more.