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#1651 pRy

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 14:40

If the announcement had been (if this is indeed the case) something like "although technically he is no longer in a coma, he is not able to communicate and unfortunately this is not expected to change", I think the pressure would have been incomparably less.

 
I personally don't think anyone should feel forced to reveal confidential medical information in return for ending media pressure. It's wrong for the Schumacher family and it's wrong for any other well known individual who is put under pressure to go public with details of an illness or medical condition.
 
The other problem is whilst it may well stop such pressure for a while, it won't stop it forever. Six months or a year down the road the same media would want a fresh update and it all starts over again.
 
We, and the media, have more than enough information. He suffered a severe head injury and is not the same person we knew. Knowing more than that doesn't really change anything other than perhaps scratching the curiosity itch or temporarily adjusting the image we might have of him in our head.

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#1652 pdac

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 14:54

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I know they don't know I exist. Which is why every year I've approached this discussion from what I think is best for them, not based on what I want.

 

This isn't about my right to know anything, and I don't care about his day to day existence. That's not why I think they should have confirmed what condition he was in. By not confirming his condition, they left the door open for speculation, for more questions asked about it. Questions posed directly at them.

 

But you are assuming that you know what is best for them. You are assuming that the speculation is a bother or unhealthy for them. You are also assuming that it would all go away if they just gave a little more information. I don't feel that any of these assumptions are correct.



#1653 Lerdes

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 14:59

It's obvious that Michael is a disabled person at the moment maybe for the rest of his life. If it were different we would all already know.

Edited by Lerdes, 02 January 2022 - 15:03.


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Posted 02 January 2022 - 15:27

But you are assuming that you know what is best for them. You are assuming that the speculation is a bother or unhealthy for them. You are also assuming that it would all go away if they just gave a little more information. I don't feel that any of these assumptions are correct.

I’m not making the first assumption. I’m only forming an opinion based on the information provided. The second seems like a fair assumption, seeing as their desire to remain private indicates they don’t wish to be bothered about questions regarding his condition. I also think the third is a fair assumption, because lack of information drives inquisitiveness and speculation.



#1655 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 16:39

It's obvious that Michael is a disabled person at the moment maybe for the rest of his life. If it were different we would all already know.


With the developments in Micks career in recent years I firmly believe that if Micheal could talk we would have heard a sound bite, a congratulations...

But silence

#1656 ProSportsCars

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 05:37

Happy Birthday Michael Schumacher, keep fighting. :up:



#1657 AlexPrime

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 10:20

Happy Birthday! And thanks for all the great memories...



#1658 thefinalapex

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 11:35

Happy Birthday! And thanks for all the great memories...

 

I would so loved too see him do le mans in 2014 and beyond. I feel Michael still had still so much too give. 



#1659 rc2702

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 13:47

I would so loved too see him do le mans in 2014 and beyond. I feel Michael still had still so much too give. 

 

Ditto. He had a hell of a lot to give to the sport. I honestly think he would have played an integral role with Brawn et al working directly for Formula One.

 

He'd have loved seeing Hamilton going at his records too imo and he'd have enjoyed seeing Mercedes succeed. 


Edited by rc2702, 03 January 2022 - 13:47.


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#1660 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 14:21

Happy birthday, champ!

#1661 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 14:33

For anyone who is interested, Sky Sports F1 are having a bit of a 'Schumacher day' with full reruns of some of his iconic races (Spain 96, Suzuka 00, etc.).

 

Also, I think it's a bit naïve for people to say that there shouldn't be any speculation on his condition. He is/was one of the biggest sports stars the world has ever seen, certainly in the top couple that our sport has ever seen. He had/has a monumental fan base. With him effectively disappearing all of a sudden with no 'proper' information on his condition - it's all been fairly vague and plenty of different conclusions could be made - of course there will be years and years of speculation, probably sadly until his death.

 

I don't think it's particularly disrespectful to have this debate and the Schumacher family are of course aware of people questioning what is happening. It is of course their right to keep everything quiet and private as families deal with things in different ways, but that is naturally going to lead to discussion.

 

I don't personally lose sleep over it, as sad as it is, but if the Schumachers did release full(ish) details of his condition I'm pretty sure that the debate would die down pretty quickly and people would move on. It's a bit naïve to say that 'they owe us (or his fans) nothing', as they have given him the adoration and millions of dollars that is effectively keeping him alive right now. Again, it's not something that bothers me particularly but the debate will carry on for decades - make no mistake. 


Edited by IrvTheSwerve, 03 January 2022 - 14:33.


#1662 Redaxo

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 15:12

I don't personally lose sleep over it, as sad as it is, but if the Schumachers did release full(ish) details of his condition I'm pretty sure that the debate would die down pretty quickly and people would move on.

 

FFS everyone should know by now what's going on. No photo or video for years, statements from Todt during an interview or Mick in the Netflix documentary should create a clear picture: He is in a koma or vegetative state, the old Schumacher is gone. What more do you want? Should they push him outside so that you can have a look at him? Or maybe the full medical record?


Edited by Redaxo, 03 January 2022 - 15:13.


#1663 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 15:25

FFS everyone should know by now what's going on. No photo or video for years, statements from Todt during an interview or Mick in the Netflix documentary should create a clear picture: He is in a koma or vegetative state, the old Schumacher is gone. What more do you want? Should they push him outside so that you can have a look at him? Or maybe the full medical record?

 

Strange response to my post given that I said that I don't really personally care what is done - it's not my business or doesn't affect my life. I'm just saying that there are many people who want to hear from the family themselves, outside of vague 'he isn't the same' comments. That's all.

 

There is a happy medium between doing nothing and rolling him out in his bed to a bunch of cameras.



#1664 dannyricsshoe

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 16:05

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

Edited by dannyricsshoe, 03 January 2022 - 16:06.


#1665 Silverstone96

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 16:15

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.


Jesus Christ.

#1666 Silberpfeil

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 16:30

This date is never easy for me, as a huge Schumacher fan growing up. He was the foundation for my love of all things that had four wheels and were able to go (somewhat) fast. Happy Birthday, Michael.

#1667 pacificquay

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 16:38

It was clear very early on and remains clear today that we have, as they say in America, “lost” Michael Schumacher.



#1668 dannyricsshoe

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 18:19

Jesus Christ.

He could very well be part of the problem. Unfortunately.

#1669 messy

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 19:50

I would so loved too see him do le mans in 2014 and beyond. I feel Michael still had still so much too give.


Personally I think he was done with racing entirely- what I really miss is his presence in Mick's blossoming career.

#1670 thefinalapex

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 21:22

Personally I think he was done with racing entirely- what I really miss is his presence in Mick's blossoming career.

 

If only we knew :(, yeah seeing him trackside at a track watching mick in silence. Sometimes i just can't believe the accident really happend.. Still hoping for a miracle :|


Edited by thefinalapex, 03 January 2022 - 21:24.


#1671 Bleu

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Posted 04 January 2022 - 08:56

Imagine if this meeting had been between Michael and Lewis, from Eifel GP 2020.

 


Edited by Bleu, 04 January 2022 - 08:56.


#1672 absinthedude

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Posted 04 January 2022 - 13:53

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

 

In nearly 34 years using the internet, this is the single most disrespectful post I have ever read. I am thoroughly disgusted. And I'm not even a MSC fan. 



#1673 pUs

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Posted 04 January 2022 - 14:26

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

 

Wow.  :eek: That's pretty harsh.



#1674 F1Johnny

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Posted 04 January 2022 - 15:46

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

 

This is as foul a post I have seen. 

 

You know what's best for the family.  Maybe send them a detailed write up for them to follow and in it tell them to snap out of their delusional state over their husband/father.  C'mon, danny, you owe it to the family to tell them what is right.  

 

Absolutely ridiculous and supercilious.  Jump off your horse.



#1675 dannyricsshoe

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 07:24

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

#1676 mmmcurry

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 07:39

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

 

I've had that conversation with my family and we've all pretty much said pull the plug if we're non responsive with no chance of recovery.

 

For Schumacher though we don't know his current condition or any future recovery (if any) and it's not really our business.

 

Steve.



#1677 pUs

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 08:22

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

 

The point is, none of us know if his condition really is that bad though. It's pure speculation. 



#1678 A3

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 08:33

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

 

Why are you being so offensive when you don't know anything about his condition?



#1679 Afterburner

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 13:38

It's probably best that we let this go until there's any further news on Michael's condition. Please PM me or one of the other members of the mod team if there is something new to discuss and the thread will be reopened. Thanks.