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[Gilles4Ever]

Drivers: 

1. Fernando Alonso McLaren-Honda €35m 
2. Sebastian Vettel Ferrari €28m 
3. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes €25m 
4. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari €18m 
5. Nico Rosberg Mercedes €13.5m 
6. Jenson Button McLaren-Honda €10m 
7. Felipe Massa Williams €4m 
= Nico Hulkenberg Force India F1 €4m 
= Sergio Perez Force India F1 €4m 
= Romain Grosjean Lotus F1 Team €4m 
= Pastor Maldonado Lotus F1 Team €4m 
12. Valtteri Bottas Williams €2m 
13. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing €1.5m 
14. Daniil Kvyat Red Bull Racing €750,000 
15. Max Verstappen Scuderia Toro Rosso €250,000 
= Carlos Sainz Scuderia Toro Rosso €250,000 
17. Felipe Nasr Sauber €200,000 
= Marcus Ericsson Sauber €200,000 
19. Will Stevens Manor €150,000 
20. Roberto Merhi Manor €50,000 

What the F1 teams spend on drivers in 2015: 

1. Ferrari €46m 
2. McLaren-Honda €45m 
3. Mercedes €38.5m 
4. Force India €8m 
= Lotus F1 team €8m 
6. Williams €6m 
7. Red Bull Racing €2.25m 
8. Scuderia Toro Rosso €500,000 
9. Sauber €400,000 
10. Manor €200,000 

 

http://www.crash.net...earns-most.html

[Scotracer]

Button's relatively 'low' salary is surprising. I was expecting a WDC to carry a hefty weight, but he's much less than his peers.

 

RBR has got some bargains!

[ConsiderAndGo]

Quite incredible are the the RB salaries!

[SealTheDiffuser]

Quite incredible are the the RB salaries!

 

if true, LOL!

 

RIC could tenfold.

 

easily.

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 21 July 2015 - 06:49.

[lars75]

Quit a good salary for a 17 year old :-)

[Ricciardo2014]

Very interesting !

 

I'm surprised that Fernando receives so much more than Jenson 

 

The one thing missing is the bonus $ offered for wins/points etc.

Red Bull have been notorious for paying quite low base wages, but offering huge bonuses.

 

Also how much sponsorship each Driver brings ?

 

I'm not smart enough to look all that up but it would be interesting to see. 

[kosmos]

I always ask the same when this things pop up, how they know this?, I don't think the teams or the drivers go out there saying how much they pay or get.

[Marklar]

As Rubens said the other day:"I've never read my correct salary in the newspaper"

Edited by Marklar, 21 July 2015 - 07:10.

[Marklar]

Lewis Hamilton is third on €25 million, although as he is still on his old contract that figure should increase dramatically next season, increasing to over €45 million per season

The random Hamilton-Salary-Generator again....

[P123]

Random salary generator for all. No two lists are ever the same, so no doubt the accuracy of this latest one will be some way off reality.

[sergey1308]

I'm surprised that Fernando receives so much more than Jenson 

I'm not surprised. I know Button is a good driver but obviously McLaren want to hold  Alonso in any case.

And of course it is a big question: how accurate the data?

[Marklar]

I'm not surprised. I know Button is a good driver but obviously McLaren want to hold  Alonso in any case.
And of course it is a big question: how accurate the data?

As accurate as the fuel consumption data in each McLaren preview.

[redraven9]

I thought Honda pays Fernando's salary.

[sergey1308]

I thought Honda pays Fernando's salary.

McLaren isn't poor company, they can afford to pay Alonso such salary without any help from Honda.

[HeidfeldsBeard]

Well, thanks to Mehri's presence on the grid I can say that I nearly earn as much as a Formula 1 driver...

Edited by HeidfeldsBeard, 21 July 2015 - 09:17.

[alframsey]

Well this is taken with a giant rock sized pinch of salt.

[Kao18]

Formula One Drivers 2015 Salaries/Contracts:

 

Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) $50 million (£33.4m) guaranteed in first year, Basic $30m a year plus bonuses afterwards 3 Years Deal (2015-17)

 

Fernando Alonso (McLaren) Max $40 million a year including all bonuses 2 Year Deal (2015-16)

 

Lewis Hamilton (Mercedez) $31 million a year (£20.9m) basic salary plus performance bonuses upto $10m a year new 3 year deal

 

Kimi Raikonen (Ferrari) Max $26 million a year including all bonuses Last Year on Current Contract

 

Nico Rosberg (Mercedez) $14.8 million a year plus bonuses New 2 Year Deal (2015-16)

 

Jenson Button (McLaren) $11.6 million a year (£8m a year) New 1 Year Deal (2015)

 

Felipe Massa (Williams) $4.45 million a year (£3m) Last Year on current deal

 

Nico Hulkenberg (Force India) $4 million a year (£2.75m) Signs 1 year extension till 2015

 

Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) $3.71 million a year (£2.5m) Improved multi-year contract

 

Sergio Perez (Force India) $3.2 million a year (£2.2m) New multi-year deal

 

Romain Grosjean (Lotus) $3.2 million a year (£2.2m) last year on current deal

 

Pastor Maldonado (Lotus) $3.2 million a year (£2.2m) signed a contract extension

 

Valtteri Bottas (Williams) $1.1 million a year (£750,000) 

 

Daniil Kvyat (Red Bull) $750k a year 

 

Max Verstappen (Toro Rosso) $512k a year 

 

Carlos Sainz (Toro Rosso) $370k a year 

 

Marcus Ericsson (Sauber) $185k a year 

 

Felipe Nasr  (Sauber) $185k a year

 

From: http://www.totalspor...river-salaries/

[Atreiu]

So basically Alonso costs as much as a GP. Or more.

McLaren could have opted to have kept Magnussen and have held the McLaren Honda European GP instead.

 

Part of me thinks the values are absurd, other part think it's a simple case of syupply and demand.

Edited by Atreiu, 21 July 2015 - 12:48.

[CurbPainter]

Part of me thinks the values are absurd, other part think it's a simple case of syupply and demand.

 

Looking at the total budgets of the big teams, it doesn't look that out of the ordinary.

 

You see a clear pay structure according to level and it's a relative small group compared to how many footballers are getting big salaries.

 

- Top drivers

 

- Second drivers

 

- "Solid" experienced midfield drivers

 

- Talents with some years of experience

 

- Rookies

Edited by CurbPainter, 21 July 2015 - 13:08.

[Kao18]

Looking at the total budgets of the big teams, it doesn't look that out of the ordinary.

 

You see a clear pay structure according to level and it's a relative small group compared to how many footballers are getting big salaries.

 

- Top drivers

 

- Second drivers

 

- "Solid" experienced midfield drivers

 

- Talents with some years of experience

 

- Rookies

 

After that you can add:

 

- Forum members

 

I guess in addition to their salaries the drivers can also put in expense claims for their travel and hotel bills.

[HeadFirst]

I thought Honda pays Fernando's salary.

 

And I thought Santander.

[Peter Perfect]

After that you can add:

 

- Forum members

 

I guess in addition to their salaries the drivers can also put in expense claims for their travel and hotel bills.

 

Didn't DC used to claim for his socks? Am I mis-remembering that?

[Lotus53B]

Didn't DC used to claim for his socks? Am I mis-remembering that?

Apparently when he went off at a wet race he took off his shoes and walked back in his socks, his argument being "I pay for the shoes, the team pays for the socks"

[alaim]

Don't Red Bull mainly pay their drivers via bonuses so even with Vettel it looked like he was on a comparatively low salary but after all of his points/wins/poles he ended up being the top paid driver?

[mclarensmps]

Button's relatively 'low' salary is surprising.

 

Every single time salaries are posted, I see this in the replies .

Actually, up until he signed for Ferrari, the same applied to Seb V.

[SR388]

Button's relatively 'low' salary is surprising. I was expecting a WDC to carry a hefty weight, but he's much less than his peers.

RBR has got some bargains!

Button didn't even know he had a ride this season.

Lewis is way underpaid. He should be on par with Alonso.

[Marklar]

Button didn't even know he had a ride this season.
Lewis is way underpaid. He should be on par with Alonso.

If you're with 25 m underpaid than you have a good life....

Edited by Marklar, 21 July 2015 - 17:20.

[SR388]

If you're with 25 m underpaod than you have a good life....

It's all relative my European friend. All relative.

[Marklar]

It's all relative my European friend. All relative.

Yeah, I know. But the statement "Lewis Hamilton is underpaid" sounds a bit creepy

[BRG]

In a way, this highlights yet again everything that is wrong with F1.  How is Alonso (a brilliant driver, of course, I would never deny that) more than 17 times better than Bottas?  How can teams that are on the verge or even over the verge, of bankruptcy, pay silly money to their drivers, when they can't pay their suppliers?  In a proper open market, given that there are probably 100 or more drivers around capable of decent F1 performances, pay would drop massively.  'You want 35 million Fernando?  Lotterer will drive for 35k' 

 

All part of the financially hyped up closed shop that is F1 today.

[P123]

All part of the financially hyped up closed shop that is F1 today.

It doesn't look like the salaries of the top drivers have changed much in the past 20 years (and more).

[BRG]

It doesn't look like the salaries of the top drivers have changed much in the past 20 years (and more).

Here are the guesstimated 1999 salaries form an old thread.

[Fisico54]

In a way, this highlights yet again everything that is wrong with F1. How is Alonso (a brilliant driver, of course, I would never deny that) more than 17 times better than Bottas? How can teams that are on the verge or even over the verge, of bankruptcy, pay silly money to their drivers, when they can't pay their suppliers? In a proper open market, given that there are probably 100 or more drivers around capable of decent F1 performances, pay would drop massively. 'You want 35 million Fernando? Lotterer will drive for 35k'

All part of the financially hyped up closed shop that is F1 today.

Firstly many of the figures are estimates/guesswork/flat out made up

Secondly drivers like Maldonado, Nasr, Ericsson etc will be paid directly from their sponsors

[BRG]

Firstly many of the figures are estimates/guesswork/flat out made up

Secondly drivers like Maldonado, Nasr, Ericsson etc will be paid directly from their sponsors

Firstly, yes, we all know that, but we also suspect that these figures aren't far off the truth.

 

Secondly, that is just a piece of accounting.  Sponsor pays team 100m, team pays driver 5m...or sponsor pays team 95m and driver 5m.  Just a tax device probably, makes no difference to the bigger picture.

[Fisico54]

Firstly, yes, we all know that, but we also suspect that these figures aren't far off the truth.

Secondly, that is just a piece of accounting. Sponsor pays team 100m, team pays driver 5m...or sponsor pays team 95m and driver 5m. Just a tax device probably, makes no difference to the bigger picture.

Perhaps but it still undermines your rant about F1 finances

[Equinox1]

Ferrari really have rocks in their to be paying kimi that much considering his performance levels since 2008. Kimi has the best manager of all time. He needed Ferrari a lot more than they needed him when he left under funded Lotus, he should have been put on a minimum performance based retainer.

[Equinox1]

In a way, this highlights yet again everything that is wrong with F1.  How is Alonso (a brilliant driver, of course, I would never deny that) more than 17 times better than Bottas?  How can teams that are on the verge or even over the verge, of bankruptcy, pay silly money to their drivers, when they can't pay their suppliers?  In a proper open market, given that there are probably 100 or more drivers around capable of decent F1 performances, pay would drop massively.  'You want 35 million Fernando?  Lotterer will drive for 35k' 

 

All part of the financially hyped up closed shop that is F1 today.

 

You don't seem to understand how an open market works. Alonso can demand that money because the teams will pay that much. The top teams want far more than 'decent performances'. Its always been like that with Senna and Schumacher having massive salaries.

[kosmos]

Lewis is way underpaid. He should be on par with Alonso.

 

 

After tax Lewis probably gets more.

[Ice1Fan]

Ferrari really have rocks in their to be paying kimi that much considering his performance levels since 2008. Kimi has the best manager of all time. He needed Ferrari a lot more than they needed him when he left under funded Lotus, he should have been put on a minimum performance based retainer.

Here we go again, Kimi and his salary. 

Well considering what his teammate is getting, I think he is getting fine. Half the salary, more than half the points.

And what about his performance levels since 2008? Care to explain, please.  

[RedBaron]

As Rubens said the other day:"I've never read my correct salary in the newspaper"

 

Rubens makes a lot on the side from bottling and selling his tears.

[Equinox1]

Here we go again, Kimi and his salary. 

Well considering what his teammate is getting, I think he is getting fine. Half the salary, more than half the points.

And what about his performance levels since 2008? Care to explain, please.  

 

Most of the grid could get half vettels points. Since 2008 he was beaten by massa so I have no idea why ferrari decided to pay him a kings ransom on his return especially when he was desperate to get out of under funded Lotus. I would have offered him 5 million only.

[Ice1Fan]

Most of the grid could get half vettels points. Since 2008 he was beaten by massa so I have no idea why ferrari decided to pay him a kings ransom on his return especially when he was desperate to get out of under funded Lotus. I would have offered him 5 million only.

Look maybe Ferrari know something more than you and me, that's why they are paying him more than you think.

Edited by Ice1Fan, 22 July 2015 - 10:09.

[Jon83]

Button didn't even know he had a ride this season.

Lewis is way underpaid. He should be on par with Alonso.

 

 

Poor lad

[Lennat]

Look maybe Ferrari know something more than you and me, that's why they are paying him more than you think.

 

Yes, obviously he IS doing an AMAZING job, that's why they fired in in 2009, and why they are unlikely to keep him next year. 

[Jon83]

Yes, obviously he IS doing an AMAZING job, that's why they fired in in 2009, and why they are unlikely to keep him next year. 

 

Stop being silly.

 

What they may or may not pay Kimi is his and their business.

[chrisPB15]

In a way, this highlights yet again everything that is wrong with F1.  How is Alonso (a brilliant driver, of course, I would never deny that) more than 17 times better than Bottas?  How can teams that are on the verge or even over the verge, of bankruptcy, pay silly money to their drivers, when they can't pay their suppliers?  In a proper open market, given that there are probably 100 or more drivers around capable of decent F1 performances, pay would drop massively.  'You want 35 million Fernando?  Lotterer will drive for 35k' 

 

All part of the financially hyped up closed shop that is F1 today.

 

And schumacher was earning 20 times Alonso in 2005 and 2006, we all know what happened.

 

You've made the  mistake of thinking they are paid for their relative performances (in which case Alonso would still be top) it's about Market exposure. Honda did not need top drivers to test drive their engine for 3 years, what they needed was attention and continued market exposure. 'Alonso' is a big name and when partnered with Honda will command attention which = $$$. Lewis Hamilton's image for Mercedes is priceless, he's earning a lot more than that list shows, yet he doesnt drive any better than his best season's performance which was 2007.

 

Why don't you question a chart showing the rises of driver's salaries to how they have performed against themselves?   Is Massa worth more today than 2008?

Edited by chrisPB15, 22 July 2015 - 11:16.

[chrisPB15]

I thought Honda pays Fernando's salary.

 

Having a big say on the deal doesn't mean Alonso becomes their employee.  Honda could have insisted on a Japanese driver, his pay check would have still come from McLaren. 

[Marklar]

If we take the average of both salary lists posted above, maybe the figures would be more accurad....

 

In €

1. Vettel - 36.75m
2. Alonso - 35.75m
3. Hamilton - 31.25m
4. Kimi - 21m
5. Rosberg - 13.5m
6. Button - 10.25m
7. Massa - 4m
8. Hulk - 3,75m
9. Perez - 3,5m
10. Grosjean - 3.5m
11. Maldonado - 3.5m
12. Ricciardo - 2.5m
13. Bottas - 1.5m
14. Kvyat - 725k
15. Verstappen - 375k
16. Sainz - 300k
17. Nasr - 175k
18. Ericsson - 175k
19. Stevens - 150k
20. Merhi - 50k

[P123]

Here are the guesstimated 1999 salaries form an old thread.

 

So inflation adjusted, the top 3 then were getting $41m, $25m and $16m.  Even Senna's $1m per race deal back in '93 is worth about $30m today.

 

Based on what other sportsmen get paid ( I read ManU pay one of their players $12m per season) I don't think F1 salaries are unusual. 

[Talisman]

McLaren isn't poor company, they can afford to pay Alonso such salary without any help from Honda.

They don't have an income source that would cover Alonso's salary without significantly impacting the team budget.

RBR and STR's salary costs put the red bull drivers project into perspective. One year of paying Riccardo's salary instead of Alonso's and it's more than paid for itself.