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#51 SophieB

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 09:26

Championship leader against changes. Shock horror...not! :p

 

 

He said he thinks it's a good idea. It's even in the extract you quoted:

 

"They might need to make changes to it. It is a good idea, though."



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#52 aramos

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 09:29

I suspect that there is a decent chance it will mix up things a lot. As a lot of the 'traditional' good starts were just very good at the automated systems, if this new version of starting places different emphasis on different skills then the order of who starts well and who doesn't count be drastically changed.



#53 aramos

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 09:30

He said he thinks it's a good idea. It's even in the extract you quoted:

 

"They might need to make changes to it. It is a good idea, though."

 

The cars starting at the front will always have the benefit anyway. In the midfield this will be chaos.



#54 Exb

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 15:46

Toro Rosso have used 1 of their filming days to practice for the new rules:

 

http://www.motorspor...starts-at-imola



#55 Marklar

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 15:49

Toro Rosso have used 1 of their filming days to practice for the new rules:

http://www.motorspor...starts-at-imola

I knew from a German site that its likely that many teams will do that. Mercedes by the way not.

#56 Kristian

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 16:03

I knew from a German site that its likely that many teams will do that. Mercedes by the way not.


No. They used the last two races...

#57 Marklar

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 16:16

No. They used the last two races...

They have one left.

https://translate.go...cedes-dominanz/

According to our informations Mercedes have stil one film day left, but its not scheduled to be used before Spa. This would be the only possibility to test manual starts with the current cars.


Edit: Now I get it what you said. Yeah, probably :lol:

Edited by Marklar, 31 July 2015 - 16:17.


#58 CurbPainter

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 17:33

Toro Rosso have used 1 of their filming days to practice for the new rules:

 

http://www.motorspor...starts-at-imola

 

I can't wait for a whole bunch of very short clips. :p



#59 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 19:40

I'm sure that in recent practice sessions all teams have had their drivers practice the new start method a few times. With that data they can feed it into their simulators and achieve a reasonable training tool for their drivers. It may be premature to use any filming days to train for starts, but instead see how the simulator training matches the real world results in Spa and move forward from there.



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#60 Counterbalance

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 20:24

Championship leader against changes. Shock horror...not! :p

 

Silverstone and Hungary were both livened up thanks to bad starts from the Mercs, so if that keeps happening we'll probably have a few more good races. Which, after a very dull start to this year, can only be a good thing.

 

Oh, we're back into the crap where he can't deal without traction control, slick tyres, he's not celebral enough etc. He hasn't done too bad since the doom mongers have predicted his downfall. Let's face it, one slip of a paddle and anyone can make a bad start, nobody is perfect. I welcome the change, it should spice things up nicely, and sort the real pecking order out!



#61 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 20:51

The cars starting at the front will always have the benefit anyway. In the midfield this will be chaos.

I wonder why any of the midfield teams who are always talking about controlling costs would agree to such a rule. I can imagine their Carbon Fiber repair bill will go though the roof if someone gets their starts wrong. 



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Posted 31 July 2015 - 21:08

And I  am quite happy about that. Cars that get away slow, fine. Cars that are standing still while everbody around them goes from 0 to 200 in 3 seconds, brr. Motorracing is dangerous and perhaps should be but I don't want ever to see another Paletti kind of accident...

 

Fortunately nobody is suggesting going back to using aluminium monocoques and using the driver's legs as a forward crash structure.



#63 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 00:20

I wonder why any of the midfield teams who are always talking about controlling costs would agree to such a rule. I can imagine their Carbon Fiber repair bill will go though the roof if someone gets their starts wrong. 

 

Utter drivel. :)

 

 

No issues whatsoever with manual starts.   ;)

 

Next step, one clutch paddle with full manual control for F1.  :up:


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 01 August 2015 - 00:21.


#64 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 02:30

Utter drivel. :)

 

 

No issues whatsoever with manual starts.   ;)

 

Next step, one clutch paddle with full manual control for F1.  :up:

Fortunately for me i live in the present and not the past, you can keep your old technology.  :p



#65 George Costanza

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 04:31

Well, Senna was the most vocal guy against the end of driver aids in 1994.

So I'm not sure why you are using Senna as example to imply that Hamilton is less of a racer. Drivers will cry about any rule changes if they are losing an adventage like Senna when his Williams lost the most imprtant edge over the competition

Senna was worried about the accidents they were going to have in 1994 and sadly, he was correct.


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#66 krea

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 07:15

Senna was worried about the accidents they were going to have in 1994 and sadly, he was correct.

 

He wasn't.

 

1994 hasn't seen more crashes than past years and if you refer do the two deaths that season then none of them were driver aids (or the lack of) related. But nice try to use that as argument. In fact Senna even public stated that he never liked the post-driver aid Williams especially because of the changes in the electronic.



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 07:42

He wasn't.

 

1994 hasn't seen more crashes than past years and if you refer do the two deaths that season then none of them were driver aids (or the lack of) related. But nice try to use that as argument. In fact Senna even public stated that he never liked the post-driver aid Williams especially because of the changes in the electronic.

 

1994 did see an unusually high number of serious crashes early in the season. A few of them could be attributed to the loss of driver aids, including Senna's fatal accident depending on your interpretation of the cause.

 

On top of Rubens, Roland and Ayrton at Imola and Karl in Monaco, we had the startline crash at Imola which may not have happened if Benetton had launch control (or if they had it on Lehto's car if you believe Michael's car had it). You had the serious crashes of Lamy and Alesi in testing. I've seen Pedro's loss of his rear wing attributed to Lotus not fully understanding the forces involved by going back to conventional suspension. There was also the massive crash at Interlagos and Montermini's injury in Spain.

 

Fortunately we have learned most of the lessons from that period, and any worries about manual starts today would be hyperbole. But it's a fact that early 1994 was a very dangerous time in "modern" F1.



#68 HP

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 07:54

Someone who usually starts from pole position doesn't want unpredictable starts   ;)

Then qualify from 2nd row and get ahead of everyone :stoned:


Edited by HP, 01 August 2015 - 07:54.


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Posted 01 August 2015 - 08:49

Fortunately nobody is suggesting going back to using aluminium monocoques and using the driver's legs as a forward crash structure.

 

Very droll. But you know what I mean. Even with the modern cars with their excellent safety-records I shudder at the thought at someone standing completely still while the others go full tilt at the first corner.  I know that the driving levels of today in general are probably higher than thirty to forty years ago, but look at starts of back then and how often mid to end-grid drivers knew how to swerve around stalled cars. Quite admirable... but way too dangerous.



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 13:15

Very droll. But you know what I mean. Even with the modern cars with their excellent safety-records I shudder at the thought at someone standing completely still while the others go full tilt at the first corner.  I know that the driving levels of today in general are probably higher than thirty to forty years ago, but look at starts of back then and how often mid to end-grid drivers knew how to swerve around stalled cars. Quite admirable... but way too dangerous.

 

?? I'm not sure I follow...what makes you think this?

 

And....this whole notion that, you know, a driver having to judge a bite point himself means that cars are going to be stalling all over the place.... seems to be the exact opposite of the idea that driving levels of today being much higher....because they used to do this judging all the time; and stalling on the grid was pretty rare...

 

Why is there a near hysterical response to what is, actually, a pretty minor change in process?



#71 ThisIsMischaW

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 13:40

Hopefully what these rules mean is that it is harder to do the perfect start, so if someone from the second or third row who hooks it all up will be challenging for the lead into the first corner more often.



#72 uffen

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 14:19

Fortunately for me i live in the present and not the past, you can keep your old technology.  :p

How sad for you. You're missing some great racing stuff.