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#51 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 21:51

Hmm how about really soft tyres that degrade very quickly and can´t be pushed?

Or a mechanism that makes a car go faster by pushing a button?

Maybe put limits on the amount of fuel cars can use so that they can't go as fast as they potentially could?

Or some sort of system that harvests energy from braking that later can be used to push a button that makes the cars go faster?

Or mandate the drivers to stop and use tyres of different colors?

Nahhh, that would be too artificial...

That is a lot of bad ideas in one place.

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#52 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 22:11

Ban anyone with a degree in a science or engineering based discipline, heck, a national diploma in plumbing, from designing or working on the cars.

#53 FerrariV12

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 23:22

Do away with the race altogether and have the finishing positions determined by a draw out of a hat. Guaranteed unpredictability.


Edited by FerrariV12, 04 August 2015 - 23:23.


#54 Radoye

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 23:30

Full spec cars, two heat races. For the first heat, drivers are randomly paired with cars, they qualify in them, have them set up and all.

 

For the second race, the driver in the 1st place exchanges cars with the last placed guy, the second place with second last etc. No setup work is allowed except seat and controls adjustment to allow for drivers of different height/weight. Everyone starts where they finished the first race (just in a different car).

 

The winner is then determined by aggregating the times from the two races.



#55 Gyno

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 00:04

V6T Hybrid engines.



#56 Kobasmashi

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 00:10

Hmm how about really soft tyres that degrade very quickly and can´t be pushed?

 

Or a mechanism that makes a car go faster by pushing a button?

 

Maybe put limits on the amount of fuel cars can use so that they can't go as fast as they potentially could?

 

Or some sort of system that harvests energy from braking that later can be used to push a button that makes the cars go faster?

 

Or mandate the drivers to stop and use tyres of different colors?

 

Nahhh, that would be too artificial...

 

First bolded: Every turbo car, particularly something with as much boost as, say, the BMW engine. So the car in you avatar is somehow repulsive to you then?

 

Second bolded: 1986 saw the introduction of a fuel limit, and 1986-88 are regarded as part of a golden era.



#57 RealRacing

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 01:00

First bolded: Every turbo car, particularly something with as much boost as, say, the BMW engine. So the car in you avatar is somehow repulsive to you then?

 

Second bolded: 1986 saw the introduction of a fuel limit, and 1986-88 are regarded as part of a golden era.

First bolded: was referring to DRS.

Second Bolded: yeah, it sucked anyway.

 

Thirdly, was being sarcastic, in case it was missed.



#58 Jimisgod

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 01:02

Refueling? Wait, that would be terrible.



#59 ViMaMo

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 04:42

First half of season: Spec Cars. 

Second Half: Allow teams to bring in their cars. 



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#60 Tourgott

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 05:47

That's not a problem with the constructors championship. It's a problem of each car not having it's own pit crew and box.

 

It is. At least HAM/ROS are not allowed to do a different strategy like 2 vs. 3 stops. Who ever is in front after the start will stay in front if nothing unexpected happens.



#61 Wally123

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 08:53

If they want more exciting races yet keep the costs down then shorten the races, too much of a race these days is all about tyre and engine conservation.

#62 Giz

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 08:55

Or just depend less on fuel and tyre conservation

#63 Wally123

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 09:05

Or just depend less on fuel and tyre conservation


Yeah but then we get fans moaning about the tyres being too durable, the sport can't win.

Edited by Wally123, 05 August 2015 - 09:05.


#64 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 12:22

Fan vote for two-seat cars with adjustable ballast (to ensure all cars weight the same). Each car carries a passenger, determined by a fan vote. Team principals are mandated, as well as Bernie, Todt, six fans chosen from a lottery, and two celebrities chosen by fans. Based on the number of votes.

 

A lucky fan could ride with Hamilton, or Maldonado. Horner could find himself riding in a Ferrari, and Mr Bean gets to be in a Formula One race.

 

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#65 Arry2k

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 12:52

Don't know if this has been suggested yet, but perhaps we could an in field off road course and a mandatory 'joker' stint with off-road knobbly tyres?



#66 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 13:06

1500 HP Ground effect monsters raced via the pits RC by the pilots.  Specators allowed but 200 meters away.

everyone has 2 spare cars.

 

Preraces: autonomous 1000HP cars.


Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 05 August 2015 - 13:06.


#67 Kobasmashi

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 13:18

First bolded: was referring to DRS.

Second Bolded: yeah, it sucked anyway.

 

Thirdly, was being sarcastic, in case it was missed.

 

I know you were referring to DRS, I was just pointing out that free passes with the press of a button are nothing new in F1. I also know you were being sarcastic, but you're a bit of a broken record about the supposed dire state F1 is in right now so I wanted to lower your rose-tinted glasses a tad.



#68 Kristian

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 13:30

If they want more exciting races yet keep the costs down then shorten the races, too much of a race these days is all about tyre and engine conservation.

 

But then they'll make edgier tyres for short races, and make fuel tanks smaller - so races would still be about tyre and engine conservation, just less bang for the expensive buck that fans shell out. 



#69 Wally123

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 13:35

I for one think the sport is doing just fine, it's sure as hell more exciting than the early to mid 2000's that's for sure. If it ain't broke don't fix it but there's changes a coming...

#70 Dan333SP

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 13:46

Give points for qualifying to the top 3, and then for the race, have a random draw for actual starting order for places 1-8. Just reversing the top 8 or 10 wouldn't work because people would try to be slowest assuming a race win is worth significantly more than a pole.

 

 

Here's a really wack idea that people will immediately dismiss, but hear me out-

 

Set a driver salary cap at maybe 2 million euro/season, and then have a driver lottery every year or two where all drivers are thrown into a pool and each team gets to "draft" whoever they want to drive their cars, based on either random draw or reverse championship positions. The salary cap means someone like Hamilton wouldn't be financially hurt by being drafted into Manor.

 

Yea yea, I know, it would totally screw up testing/development/car design, but still. It'd shake things up.



#71 RealRacing

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 15:32

I know you were referring to DRS, I was just pointing out that free passes with the press of a button are nothing new in F1. I also know you were being sarcastic, but you're a bit of a broken record about the supposed dire state F1 is in right now so I wanted to lower your rose-tinted glasses a tad.

Free passes are nothing new? Where only the trailing car has the advantage? Show me. Good to know you got the sarcasm. At least you are not stupid, just have bad taste.



#72 vista

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 15:46

In-season testing with the following restrictions:

 

From race to race allowed testing for nr. 1 in WCC is 0 days, 1 test day for 2-5 before next grand prix, 2 test days for 6-11 in the WCC before the next grand prix. If there is two races in one week it will only apply after the second back-to-back race. The track for the given test can be the teams own choosing or the same track as the just-completed race. 


Edited by vista, 05 August 2015 - 15:47.


#73 Dan333SP

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 16:09

In-season testing with the following restrictions:

 

From race to race allowed testing for nr. 1 in WCC is 0 days, 1 test day for 2-5 before next grand prix, 2 test days for 6-11 in the WCC before the next grand prix. If there is two races in one week it will only apply after the second back-to-back race. The track for the given test can be the teams own choosing or the same track as the just-completed race. 

 

I'd be interested in seeing data (which will never happen, since it's so secretive) that compares the latest breed of simulators and their effectiveness in evaluating changes/new parts versus traditional testing. The big teams sink almost as much into the simulators these days as they did on dedicated tests back in the day, and I'd think at some point they will reach a baseline where they really won't benefit very much from on-track testing any more. I doubt they've reached that point yet, but I really don't know. Of course, the sims can't replicate the driver's experience, and that is one of the values of on-track work.



#74 maximilian

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 16:10

Introduce ovals racing to F1.



#75 tmekt

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 16:22

Half the field racing clockwise and the other half counterclockwise, at the same time.



#76 Gyno

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 16:27

Figure 8 race tracks.

Who ever is left running wins.



#77 Christbiscuit

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 16:51

Fiddy Fowdy Ten

Fifty laps in a F1 car. Hop out, forty laps in an Indycar. Hop out, ten laps in a Formula E car.

Failing that, random nitro boosts for every driver throughout the race.

#78 TurnOffTheLights

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 17:04



That's not a problem with the constructors championship. It's a problem of each car not having it's own pit crew and box.

 



It is. At least HAM/ROS are not allowed to do a different strategy like 2 vs. 3 stops. Who ever is in front after the start will stay in front if nothing unexpected happens.

 

As if Mercedes would act differently, if there was no constructor's championship.

They aren't doing this because of the WCC, but simply because they don't want controversials about one driver being prefered. Or do you remember any GP last year after they had WCC in the pocket (Japan?), when one of their drivers was trying a different strategy? I don't.

So getting rid of WCC wouldn't solve this problem at all, unfortunately.


Edited by TurnOffTheLights, 05 August 2015 - 17:05.


#79 Tourgott

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 17:16

If there wouldn't be a constructors championship there would be no need for harmony between them two because there wouldn't be a "Team Mercedes". Every man for himself.

But there's another problem. At the moment they are so dominant and overtaking is impossible because of the tires and the dirty air that the calculated pit strategy is always the fastest for both.


Edited by Tourgott, 05 August 2015 - 17:17.


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#80 chadwick8505

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 18:12

If there wouldn't be a constructors championship there would be no need for harmony between them two because there wouldn't be a "Team Mercedes". Every man for himself.

But there's another problem. At the moment they are so dominant and overtaking is impossible because of the tires and the dirty air that the calculated pit strategy is always the fastest for both.

 

If there was no constructors championship, why would Mercedes enter two cars? Or even participate at all?



#81 Atreiu

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 18:41

- ban radio communication between teams and drivers during the races;

- introduce spec steering wheels with limited set of functions.



#82 Atreiu

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 18:42

If there was no constructors championship, why would Mercedes enter two cars? Or even participate at all?

 

Are you serious?



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Posted 05 August 2015 - 18:55

Are you serious?

 

Yes... are you?

 

Without a constructors championship why would constructors want to participate? They'd get nothing out of competing, they certainly wouldn't ever do it for the glory of their drivers. Without a constructors championship there would be no payouts (as unfair as they are) and therefore no monetary incentive to be in F1. You couldn't even say "well if they make the best car and their driver wins they would still get press/coverage as the car he won in" because the series would become too focused on the driver meaning it wouldn't matter what car he drove.

 

It get it's a wacky idea thread... But I just don't see this one working out the way some have suggested.



#84 Atreiu

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 19:17

Yes... are you?

 

Without a constructors championship why would constructors want to participate? They'd get nothing out of competing, they certainly wouldn't ever do it for the glory of their drivers. Without a constructors championship there would be no payouts (as unfair as they are) and therefore no monetary incentive to be in F1. You couldn't even say "well if they make the best car and their driver wins they would still get press/coverage as the car he won in" because the series would become too focused on the driver meaning it wouldn't matter what car he drove.

 

It get it's a wacky idea thread... But I just don't see this one working out the way some have suggested.

 

 

Mea culpa, the 'are you serious' was posted with no thought.

 

Still, I think you heavily exagerate the value of the WCC. Only wins and drivers titles win. Just compare the pride Ferrari took away from 1999 and 2008 compared to 2000 or 2007.

 

And even if it meant a mass exodus of constructors, (by accident) that'd be great. Imagine if only real race teams remained instead of fickle companies who see racing as a simply value in their budget.



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Posted 05 August 2015 - 19:35

Mea culpa, the 'are you serious' was posted with no thought.

 

Still, I think you heavily exagerate the value of the WCC. Only wins and drivers titles win. Just compare the pride Ferrari took away from 1999 and 2008 compared to 2000 or 2007.

 

And even if it meant a mass exodus of constructors, (by accident) that'd be great. Imagine if only real race teams remained instead of fickle companies who see racing as a simply value in their budget.

 

No worries.

 

Not sure what you're trying to show with Ferrari in those years. I think Ferrari (or any team) are much happier to win the WCC and lose the WDC than they would be to just have their driver win the WDC.

 

I don't think there would really be a mass exodus of constructors, But I'm sure Merc would quit as you say they are only in it to win as part of the budget. Ferrari and McLaren would probably stay because of their longevity in the sport but I bet they would reevaluate their devotion to the sport. And eventually what will result is something similar to how teams are run in Indycar or NASCAR (not an entirely bad alternative but certainly not F1).



#86 tmekt

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 19:41

the series would become too focused on the driver meaning it wouldn't matter what car he drove.

I don't think it would be all that different to what we have know. The general public really only pays attention to WDC anyways. You just need to look at the newspapers after a race weekend, it's all about Hamilton (or whoever won) and Mercedes only receives a mention in the article as the car he drove and their logo in his cap.

Not sure how the WCC prize money disappearing would change it though, maybe they'd just run with lower budgets.

Edited by tmekt, 05 August 2015 - 19:42.


#87 Fastcake

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 19:48

If there wouldn't be a constructors championship there would be no need for harmony between them two because there wouldn't be a "Team Mercedes". Every man for himself.

But there's another problem. At the moment they are so dominant and overtaking is impossible because of the tires and the dirty air that the calculated pit strategy is always the fastest for both.

 

They'd still need to win the drivers' championship, which may require favouring the driver in the lead if that's the best strategy.

 

Really though, there would be a fight at Mercedes if Rosberg could just beat Hamilton more than twice a season.


Edited by Fastcake, 05 August 2015 - 20:32.


#88 Fourtyone

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 20:06

I've recently been trying to think of crazy yet realistic ideas for F1 and shake it to its boots. A great idea for me is that we scrap the set driver lineup, why not make each driver race each car thoughout the season. That way we'd would see the likes of Vettel and Hamilton driving wheel to wheel in a Marussia at Bahrain for instance.

The points system would need altering so even the backmarkers would score points because let's face it Hamilton in a Marrusia would get nowhere driving a car like that, can any of you guys think of crazy yet realistic ideas for the sport??

 

I like this idea but it comes with a lot of problems. I think the only way this could ever work is if there was a driver league system but that would then need a definitive feeder series.

 

So lets say GP2 was decided as the feeder series where the top 2/3 drivers would move up into the premier league while the bottom 2/3 from F1 get relegated to GP2. You would have to give drivers a second or even a third chance to get back into F1 as it would be extremely unfair to say to a rookie you have one shot at F1 and if you come last, its over forever. Then there comes the problem of where the relegated drivers go in GP2, which teams would have to take them on? Would they even have to take the relegated drivers on at all?

 

One thing about this system that I would like is that we'd never see another pay driver in F1, only in GP2, and even then they'd have to earn their stripes to move up.



#89 Wally123

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 07:26

I like this idea but it comes with a lot of problems. I think the only way this could ever work is if there was a driver league system but that would then need a definitive feeder series.

So lets say GP2 was decided as the feeder series where the top 2/3 drivers would move up into the premier league while the bottom 2/3 from F1 get relegated to GP2. You would have to give drivers a second or even a third chance to get back into F1 as it would be extremely unfair to say to a rookie you have one shot at F1 and if you come last, its over forever. Then there comes the problem of where the relegated drivers go in GP2, which teams would have to take them on? Would they even have to take the relegated drivers on at all?

One thing about this system that I would like is that we'd never see another pay driver in F1, only in GP2, and even then they'd have to earn their stripes to move up.

I like this idea of promotion and relegation, each and every driver would have driven every car on the grid against every driver so their standings in the league is a true indicator of their performance and talent throughout the year.

You've got something going there, maybe all the feeder series should be interlinked with the same promotion and relegation system?? If a driver has the talent to make it to F1 yet does poorly in his debut then he still has earned the right to get a drive in GP2 even though he has just been relegated.

Edited by Wally123, 06 August 2015 - 07:29.


#90 JeePee

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:20

Elimination type racing: Every 3 laps the driver in the last place has to quit the race. Should bring some interesting pit stop strategies since nobody can afford to be last.



#91 Fourtyone

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 18:03

I like this idea of promotion and relegation, each and every driver would have driven every car on the grid against every driver so their standings in the league is a true indicator of their performance and talent throughout the year.

You've got something going there, maybe all the feeder series should be interlinked with the same promotion and relegation system?? If a driver has the talent to make it to F1 yet does poorly in his debut then he still has earned the right to get a drive in GP2 even though he has just been relegated.

 

I don't think you could go that far with it, you'd find it very difficult to get all the series to agree to a wage and bonus structure for how the drivers get paid, plus you would have drivers who could be in 1 series for a very long time which would eventually clog up the development of younger drivers at the lower levels. Also there wouldn't be as much need for swapping cars when you get to the more spec series.

 

It would be fine to just have 1 feeder series but then you also have the problem that the GP2 teams get to pick all the future F1 drivers. Since most come from this route anyway, its not a massive problem. I would just give the GP2 teams the freedom to pick whoever they want to, relegated or not.

 

Its an interesting idea that would need a lot working out. I think Alonso would be willing to give up the salary he has now for a standard wage + win bonuses, but drivers like Hamilton and Rosberg would be dead against it. As these drivers already have legally binding contracts you'd have to set a date in the future where all contracts must end. I can't help but feel that teams might try harder for their favourite ex drivers while having no interest in drivers that might have annoyed them in the past.

 

If this format could actually be fairly worked out, it would be the ultimate drivers championship, while also still being the pinnacle of motorsport technology. You only need to take a look in the reverse grid thread though to see that this format would never be welcomed in F1.



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Posted 06 August 2015 - 20:06

Refueling


Edited by Volcano70, 06 August 2015 - 20:07.


#93 TurnOffTheLights

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 20:28

I've recently been trying to think of crazy yet realistic ideas for F1 and shake it to its boots. A great idea for me is that we scrap the set driver lineup, why not make each driver race each car thoughout the season. That way we'd would see the likes of Vettel and Hamilton driving wheel to wheel in a Marussia at Bahrain for instance.

The points system would need altering so even the backmarkers would score points because let's face it Hamilton in a Marrusia would get nowhere driving a car like that, can any of you guys think of crazy yet realistic ideas for the sport??

 

Driver's duties don't stop with driving at race weekends: they do simulator work, give continous feedback about changes and one of their most important functions is attending sponsorship events. There are quite a lot of them. Teams understandably like to choose which driver should represent them. Often a brand is strongly linked to a famous driver. That would be impossible, if drivers changed their team every race.

Furthermore, it's quite a difference to sit in a McLaren in Monaco or Hungary or let's say in Monza. And it's a difference for a team, too, if you have Maldonado or Rosberg in your car in Monaco (when the first one will crash more often than not, while the second one knows the track by heart) or let's say in Abu Dhabi. So it still isn't fair at all.



#94 Wally123

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 21:16

Driver's duties don't stop with driving at race weekends: they do simulator work, give continous feedback about changes and one of their most important functions is attending sponsorship events. There are quite a lot of them. Teams understandably like to choose which driver should represent them. Often a brand is strongly linked to a famous driver. That would be impossible, if drivers changed their team every race.
Furthermore, it's quite a difference to sit in a McLaren in Monaco or Hungary or let's say in Monza. And it's a difference for a team, too, if you have Maldonado or Rosberg in your car in Monaco (when the first one will crash more often than not, while the second one knows the track by heart) or let's say in Abu Dhabi. So it still isn't fair at all.


You've completely lost me with your final point??

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 21:33

You want to change the driver/team combination at every Grand Prix. So with 20 races, 20 drivers and 10 teams, every driver would sit in every car twice. Sounds fair (that's what your idea was all about: fairness). But track characteristics are different.

So we could end up with Vettel sitting in a McLaren in Monaco and Hungary, fighting for points and Hamilton sitting in the same McLaren in Monza and Melbourne being absolutely nowhere. Then Vettel in a Williams in Monza and Melbourne fighting for podiums and Hamilton in a Williams in Monaco and Hungary again being absolutely nowhere.

Since team's performances differ from race to race, we could easily end up with such unfair driver/team/track combinations, that even the ONLY reason to take this "wacky idea" into consideration, is gone.

The same applies to teams: there are drivers who are good at certain tracks and bad at other ones. A team could easily end up with having much more "bad driver/track" combinations than average and thus be heavily handicapped.


Edited by TurnOffTheLights, 06 August 2015 - 21:46.


#96 Volcano70

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 21:36

You want to change the driver/team combination at every Grand Prix. So with 20 races and 20 drivers, every driver would sit in every car twice. Sounds fair (that's what your idea was all about: fairness). But track characteristics are different.

So we could end up with Vettel sitting in a McLaren in Monaco and Hungary, fighting for points and Hamilton sitting in the same McLaren in Monza and Melbourne being absolutely nowhere. Then Vettel in a Williams in Monza and Melbourne fighting for podiums and Hamilton in a McLaren at those tracks again being absolutely nowhere.

Since team's performances differ from race to race, we could easily end up with such unfair driver/team/track combinations, that even the ONLY reason to take this "wacky idea" into consideration, is gone.

Well the thread is for wacky ideas, but agree with your point and it would be unfair driver/team.track combos.



#97 Atreiu

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 21:41

- Drop scores to make overly unreliable teams and drivers suffer a little less and put a greater premium on race wins over consistency.



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Posted 06 August 2015 - 21:49

another idea: every safety car flip the running order



#99 ViMaMo

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 01:19

Driver swap mid race.