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[Youichi]

I have to say Turn 1 here is worse than any Tilkedrome, for drivers ignoring the track limit, and driving through the car park to gain position. In what way was that "pass" for the lead legal ?

[OvDrone]

I have to say Turn 1 here is worse than any Tilkedrome, for drivers ignoring the track limit, and driving through the car park to gain position. In what way was that "pass" for the lead legal ?

 

You have to see that left turn at the highest point in Sonoma.

[jonpollak]

are you British Mr. Painter?
Jp

[Risil]

I have to say Turn 1 here is worse than any Tilkedrome, for drivers ignoring the track limit, and driving through the car park to gain position. In what way was that "pass" for the lead legal ?

 

Yeah. I like that big long kerb that makes it hard to rejoin the track at full speed though.

[CurbPainter]

are you British Mr. Painter?
Jp

 

No !

 

I just like commentators who name names. I like it when they take the time to learn names, just as with football and others sports when and they ask their colleagues how to pronounce the names of foreigners. It gives the feeling they take their job seriously and by so you as a viewer...and that's a bit different as English commentators.

Edited by CurbPainter, 09 August 2015 - 20:43.

[jonpollak]

Ok then... Just checking

Joey's gonna win this one too
Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 09 August 2015 - 20:49.

[OvDrone]

Joey's gonna win this one too
Jp

 

Thank you.

[Diablobb81]

Lol

[JHSingo]

Hahaha, interesting last lap. Fuel mileage races are always entertaining, in my opinion.

 

Just a shame Logano won...

[OvDrone]

Joey's gonna win this one too
Jp

 

I hate you.

[Volcano70]

Logano wins, but Harvick ran out of fuel SO CLOSE to the finish 

[nosecone]

Pff... fuel saving is boring... track limits was madness...

 

oh wait it ain't F1. It's NASCAR so nice race

[Prost1997T]

Track limits only matter at Daytona and Talladega. To be honest, given how these bricks drive on a road course, they need all the space they can get.

[jonpollak]

lol at all the'track limits' talk as if it's ubiquitous in all of racing.

And, I had NOTHING to do with Joey winning.
I was rooting for Kyle.
Jp

[John B]

Took just one week for the fuel luck to even out for logano. Well driven by top 3, bad luck for Harvick not getting a yellow which was unusual for late race glen. Kyle cracks top 30

[Volcano70]

Logano sweeps at The Glen!

[John B]

Gibbs looking very strong over all in the Chase stretch run, Hendrick rather underwhelming. Second year in a row Kahne is scrapeing for a late win to get in even with 16 spots available.

[OvDrone]

lol at all the'track limits' talk as if it's ubiquitous in all of racing.

And, I had NOTHING to do with Joey winning.
I was rooting for Kyle.
Jp

 

You know that I'm joking, right?

[jonpollak]

What?...Joking?

Why I never...

Jp

[Mila]

Having had nine of their cars in the top ten spots at the start, Chevy ended the day with three in the top ten.

Edited by Mila, 10 August 2015 - 16:46.

[jondoe955]

This is a bit late, and not really on-topic. I don't watch Nascar, but LOVE the lumbering sedans on road courses. I'll watch all of those I can. But it's always a turn-off when a regular knocks a specialist off the track. I see less of this, but at Mid Ohio - it was ugly as ever. Reagan Smith tipped Alex Tagliani at the last turn, to win the race. Disgusting, but not unexpected.
What was even worse were the commentators. 'Oooo - Alex went a little wide. He would have lost the spot anyway'...' Smith had a better approach to the turn'... Such BS! The jerk came in hot to hit Alex, which would slow his approach to the turn. Alex went wide because he was hit! And the idiots in the booth just grinned and tried to sell this ****!
Maybe the worst was that race control did nothing, and never does, with the regulars. It ruined the race for me. If they want someone like me to watch - the racing needs to be a little cleaner. This was no accident, and beyond 'rubbin is racin'... It was a cheater's move, against a temporary driver. And it makes the yokels happy!
And then the jerk and his team whoop it up, like they won without cheating. Sure - and Sage Karam was texting, and missed the turn at the last race!

[Prost1997T]

I would agree, but Tagliani's done the same throughout his career... including in the last Nascar road race he entered.

With the current rules, stock car racing is a contact sport. If you don't like it, watch something else.

[Myrvold]

I would agree, but Tagliani's done the same throughout his career... including in the last Nascar road race he entered.

With the current rules, stock car racing is a contact sport. If you don't like it, watch something else.

 

That is an argument I have never, and will never understand. It doesn't make it any better, or close to ok, or an explanation that someone have done it before...

I have no problems with... or, I don't like it, but I fully accept that short-track racing, is bumping and all that. The same way, there is a different way of racing at superspeedways.

And to be fair, and I know that you know - Road Course racing is a different thing again. In circuit-racing, it is basically no-contact, and even NASCAR should treat it like it. Different rules for different places.

[Ross Stonefeld]

NASCAR has very little in the way of on-track driver conduct/contact rules.

[Prost1997T]

That is an argument I have never, and will never understand. It doesn't make it any better, or close to ok, or an explanation that someone have done it before...

I'm not saying I agree with all of Nascar's rules, simply pointing out the hypocrisy of people getting upset over Tagliani being pushed out of the way.
 

I have no problems with... or, I don't like it, but I fully accept that short-track racing, is bumping and all that. The same way, there is a different way of racing at superspeedways.
And to be fair, and I know that you know - Road Course racing is a different thing again. In circuit-racing, it is basically no-contact, and even NASCAR should treat it like it. Different rules for different places.

It's been a long time since rough driving penalties were given at any track. There have been a few black flags here and there, usually for blatant wrecking on speedways (Carl Edwards at Atlanta comes to mind).

Edit: I looked over the two Cup road races and I didn't see anyone wrecking to make a pass. I'm tired of people who don't follow Nascar regularly implying that every guy there is a talentless hack who wrecks others to pass. Is Xfinity really any worse than GP2 is in that respect?

Edited by Prost1997T, 18 August 2015 - 14:39.

[John B]

Edwards not only launched BK in the trioval of one of the fastest tracks, but also drove the wrong way down pit road after being black flagged - if that combo didn't draw a major penalty, presumably little will until someone gets seriously injured.

 

Irony of course is that Smith got in the pit road fight with Dillon the previous weekend after being unintentionally spun. As he mentioned after the Glen it's a contract year and the pressure's mounting to deliver some results.

 

The one anomaly is Ricky Rudd having a Sonoma win taken away in the 1990s after last lap contact which wasn't that egregious relative to other similar incidents. Everytime stuff like Saturday happens must make Rudd further want to blow his top

[Bob Riebe]

Door slammer racing in the U.S. whether sedans or sports cars has always been a contact sport..

 

There are pictures from the Trans-Am days of Donohue racing in his thoroughly battered Camaro; in the 1978 Trans-Am the leading Porsche and Corvette lost to the third place driver because they battered each other to the point that one had a flat tire and the other ran of the road.

[nosaj100]

I didn't think what Smith did at Mid Ohio was all that bad. Contact like that is expected in NASCAR. My only problem with Smith is he was whining, complaining, and ready to fight Ty Dillon last week for the exact same style of driving. Ty and a couple of other drivers treated him the exact same way at the Glen and he was so mad about it. Then he uses that kind of aggression to get a win from Tags. I just don't like it when drivers do that. You're either for "that's just racing" or you're not. Can't have it both ways when its convenient for you.

[Prost1997T]

Unintentionally? Dillon repeatedly drove through other cars on restarts. That's a lot different than a bump-and-run on the last corner for a win. I don't even like Smith, but the two situations were not the same.

No one in the Cup paddock really thinks of Smith as a top-tier guy (that's why he ended up back down in Xfinity to start with). At this point he's Elliott Sadler without the sponsorship.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Dillon was just bad driving. Smith was 'dirty' driving but built into NASCAR style racing. You can't really complain about it.

[Andrew Hope]

I had 20 bucks on Tags and even I don't mind what happened. Everyone in a NAPCAR race knows the deal going in. It's not the most tasteful way to win a race, but it's how every NASCAR race this year would have been won if whomever was in 2nd place on the final lap could've gotten close enough to Kyle Busch.

If Alex didn't want to get spun out on the last corner of the race, he had options. Being farther in front of Smith comes to mind. Different lines through the corner have been suggested as a way for Tagliani to keep Smith behind him, though I still think taking the same line as he did but .8 seconds earlier would've been effective.

What I wonder is how far along the WWE route you can go before even NASCAR says enough. What if Tags faked running out of fuel, let Smith by him 2 corners from the end, then spun him? A pre-emptive strike. What if that wasn't even a spur-of-the-moment idea, but even including misleading radio chatter from the 22, feigning running on fumes? How far is too far? As long as it's a-okay to wreck the leader...

[Ross Stonefeld]

That's an interesting interpretation of "you dont want to lead the last lap"

 

 

*thinks*

[nosaj100]

Unintentionally? Dillon repeatedly drove through other cars on restarts. That's a lot different than a bump-and-run on the last corner for a win. I don't even like Smith, but the two situations were not the same.

No one in the Cup paddock really thinks of Smith as a top-tier guy (that's why he ended up back down in Xfinity to start with). At this point he's Elliott Sadler without the sponsorship.

 

It was more than just Dillon though. He was mad at Brenden Gaughan and I think one other I driver that I can't remember for what was no more than just aggressive driving. Like with the Gaughan thing, Smith ended up getting damage but Gaughan just held his line and Smith came down on him. Sure, Gaughan could have lifted in that spot but he chose to be more aggressive and Smith didn't like it. Flip it to Mid Ohio, and Smith is totally fine using aggressive driving styles. He didn't have to tag Tags, but he did anyway. The thought processes and actions leading up the event are the same imo, so don't complain about it just because the result might be different.