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#101 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 13:28

I can direct you to Tony on that if you like...

Maybe send me an e.mail?

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#102 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:17

I've just taken delivery of my copy of the Tasman book, and what an impressive work it is. I'm looking forward to many hours of enjoyment from it. Good to see so many TNF names who contributed to it.

Especial thanks to Allen Brown and Simon Lewis. Allen co-ordinated the bulk order from UK TNFers for the Tasman and F5000 books, and Simon did the rest, organising the order and delivery to us in the UK in a most friendly and efficient manner, and at much less expense than we'd have been able to achieve doing things any other way.

I am now a very happy bunny. :clap:



#103 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 20:56

Good that you got it...

I'm going to be taking a number to the IMRRC when I go over there, they'll be on sale there about June 26 at a good price as they're going in our baggage.

#104 bradbury west

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Posted 11 March 2016 - 16:38

Please refer to Tim's post, 2 above. Mine arrived this afternoon and is just what you would hope for. Thanks to Allen, and Simon especially for replenishing my bubble wrap stocks. It was beautifully wrapped and packaged.
The layout, A4 landscape, is ideal as it gives the opportunity to maximise the impact of the many photographs, which are of fine resolution and reproduction. They will tell many a story in their own right, I suspect.
Now I just have to read it.
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#105 gtsmunro

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Posted 13 March 2016 - 06:26

Got both Tasman and F5000 books early in the year. Very enjoyable reading.



#106 ken devine

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Posted 13 March 2016 - 07:34

Where is the Tasman book available?

#107 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 March 2016 - 21:46

I have some, Ken...

Shoot me an e.mail or phone me.

#108 gtsmunro

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 06:25

Where is the Tasman book available?

Got both of mine in from Automoto Book shop in Sydney in mid January. 



#109 lyntonh

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 06:32

Got both of mine in from Automoto Book shop in Sydney in mid January. 

One for each eye, obviously.

 

The book is brilliant, but that's dedicated!!!



#110 gtsmunro

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 08:03

One for each eye, obviously.

 

The book is brilliant, but that's dedicated!!!

Sorry, I meant the Tasman AND the F5000 books!!



#111 nexfast

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 20:13

I've just taken delivery of my copy of the Tasman book, and what an impressive work it is. I'm looking forward to many hours of enjoyment from it. Good to see so many TNF names who contributed to it.

Especial thanks to Allen Brown and Simon Lewis. Allen co-ordinated the bulk order from UK TNFers for the Tasman and F5000 books, and Simon did the rest, organising the order and delivery to us in the UK in a most friendly and efficient manner, and at much less expense than we'd have been able to achieve doing things any other way.

I am now a very happy bunny. :clap:

 

Same here, my books have been delivered so a big thank you to Allen and to Simon for all the effort.



#112 opplock

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:35

The book is indeed excellent. Having read up to the Graeme McRae feature however I have identified a few additions to the errata list.

 

David Oxton

 

P70  7th place at wet Teretonga - this should read 68 not 69

P72  competed in European F5000 Championship - should read 73 not 72

P74  3rd in NZ GP - should read 74 not 73

 

Graeme Lawrance

 

P94  Graham Hill used the first BDA in 1967. Should read FVA?

 

Graham McRae

 

P101 The full page photo is captioned "Graham McRae in his McRae 52 (should read S2), 1.6 litre Ford is about to be lapped by a hounding Graeme Lawrence at Levin in 1970."

 

I was rather taken aback by this remembering 46 1/2 years after the event how disappointed I had been to hear the commentator announce that McRae would be a non-starter. The McRae S2 was on the entry list for that meeting but as there was no National Formula race it remained at McRae's base in Wellington. McRae entered 3 races in his McLaren M10A. The day began well with a win in the 25 lap Gold Star race. The circuit history reports "A lot of interest was taken from the main event with the withdrawal of Graham McRae. The oil pump had failed during the 10 lap preliminary race on Saturday morning causing his Chevy engine to seize. Although he offered to go to Wellington and bring back his Formula two {should read National Formula} car, the MANZ officials would not allow it to start".

 

The photo was not taken during the 1970 Tasman race nor does it show him being lapped. I believe that it was taken during the national race meeting held at Levin on 29 November 1969. McRae and Lawrance locked horns in two races on that day. In the first (10 laps) McRae "led from the start but was soon overtaken by Lawrance". In the second (8 laps) McRae again led from the start but was passed by Bryan Faloon on the first lap. By the end of lap two Lawrance led from Faloon and McRae. McRae finished 6 seconds and 3 seconds behind Lawrance in these events. I think it most likely that the photo was taken on lap 1 of the earlier race. This appears to have been the only meeting in which McRae competed against the Lawrance Ferrari in his National Formula car.  



#113 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 08:35

It's a shame so many errors have slipped through, but this is difficult to avoid...

I have a list here of the errors I found in proof-reading it right at the end of the production process, I do know a lot of them were not fixed for some unknown reason and I can't believe I wouldn't have seen the BDA vs FVA error.

Captions for the NZ photos would have been especially difficult, Terry Marshall would have identified the meetings etc on these and Tony worked from that. Likewise, the dates in the David Oxton story would have come straight from David.

#114 opplock

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 08:44

Thank you for the explanation Ray. I'd assumed that the driver stories were printed without amendment. The McRae photo did make me question my memory until I checked the circuit history.    



#115 nexfast

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 13:12

It's a shame so many errors have slipped through, but this is difficult to avoid...

I have a list here of the errors I found in proof-reading it right at the end of the production process, I do know a lot of them were not fixed for some unknown reason and I can't believe I wouldn't have seen the BDA vs FVA error.

Captions for the NZ photos would have been especially difficult, Terry Marshall would have identified the meetings etc on these and Tony worked from that. Likewise, the dates in the David Oxton story would have come straight from David.

 

Would it be possible to share that list?



#116 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 21:16

I don't think so...

First, because it would be a betrayal of the trust Tony has in me. Second, because it's largely insignificant stuff.

#117 Ardmore

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 10:17

A couple of errors in the captions that I noticed.

 

Page 33 - The car Arnold Glass is driving is a Ferrari Super Squalo not a Maserati 250F.

 

Page 87 - Not Bay Park in 1963. It was the Mount Manganui road circuit. Bay Park opened in 1967.

 

Page 489 - The driver behind Steve Millen is Dave McMillan not Dave Millen.


Edited by Ardmore, 06 August 2016 - 10:26.


#118 Wirra

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 11:07

Does the book come with a free anorak?



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 11:18

Hello all, I was involved in a lot of the proof reading and picked up several items - most of which were corrected. I also joined Ray towards the end of the process with some items  which missed out. However Tony included an errata for inclusion in the final printed copy.

I do not wish to be seen as defensive, but only wish to indicate the task that Tony Loxley took on and in the main succeeded.

There was no compromise in getting captions and reports/ memories as correct as possible, and I join Ray in acknowledging that captioning New Zealand photos was always going to be a task that was open to pitfalls. Unfortunately, I never made it to New Zealand for any Tasman races and was little help in that respect.

In one of the driver's pieces, a statement was intrinsically wrong in fact. Nevertheless the report went in word for word as the driver remembered - because it was his memory.

To put things in perspective, Tony and I estimated the word count at somewhere about 13000 words for captions on 885 photos, and 30,000 words in copy, giving 43,000 words. 

If there were more than 50 errors, such as spelling and incorrect names - which I still would doubt - the error rate would be.012% or 12 in every thousand words.

This in a book of 500 pages reporting the detail of races almost 50 years ago.

This book should have been attempted 40 years ago - at least you and I remember the details as if they were yesterday!

I know that I supplied about 25% of the photos in the book and needed a few of my captions corrected before printing! (But thankfully not many.)

In conclusion, I understand that should a reprint be needed (buy more first editions) Tony intends to fix errors - and I would believe these would be captions as drivers contributions have been maintained as submitted.


Edited by launchpad, 06 August 2016 - 13:43.


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#120 nexfast

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 11:47

I don't think so...

First, because it would be a betrayal of the trust Tony has in me. Second, because it's largely insignificant stuff.

 

That's fair enough. In a book of this dimension typos and less precise captions would inevitably pop up. Not detrimental to  many enjoyable moments browsing its pages :).



#121 opplock

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 14:26

I already have an anorak thanks Wirra. I apologise if I have caused any offence to those involved in producing this wonderful book. It was certainly not my intention to do so. Hopefully this book will become an important part of the historical record of Australasian motor racing. As a keen student of history (I'll be spending Sunday excavating a Roman era ditch) I pointed out the few errors I had identified in the hope that these will not cause confusion in the future. I'm glad to read that the intention is to correct errors should there be a reprint. Certainly the number of errors I have spotted to date is much less than in most books. Is there a more private medium by which readers can raise queries or should we keep quiet?     



#122 E1pix

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 19:16

I don't quite understand taking offense to errors being pointed out... especially when offered as an unsolicited second set of eyes, and with compliments, good manners, and a thorough approach.

Try as we might, none of us are perfect. I just concluded a 57-month project, and the first to review it pointed out a word error spelled correctly, but incorrectly used. I was shocked as I read it several times. But he helped my project look better, so I thanked him.

If I were to make any unsolicited "editor" then feel apologetic, it would be I who should apologize!

#123 GreenMachine

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 22:07

Errers are a fact of life for writers.  I earned my living largely by writing, and proofreading was never my strong point: no matter how many times I re-read something, I still got caught out more time times than I liked.  My sympathies are with those involved who struggle with achieving accuracy along with all the other pressures of completing the job.

 

I have made my contribution to the reprinting, and enjoy it on a regular basis.



#124 E1pix

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 22:28

Giggly over the irony of your first word — intentional or otherwise.

 

Proof that… It Happens!    ;)

 

 

Sorry... seriously, hear, hear!  :up:



#125 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 22:30

No offence taken here, I have to say...

I'm one who always mentions corrections in the work of others, I can also take it.

#126 E1pix

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 23:04

Thanks Ray, knew you wouldn't!

#127 Wirra

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Posted 07 August 2016 - 02:59

I don't quite understand taking offense to errors being pointed out... especially when offered as an unsolicited second set of eyes, and with compliments, good manners, and a thorough approach.
 

 

Opplock a good example.

Ardmore less so.



#128 E1pix

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Posted 07 August 2016 - 03:26

It was Ardmore's very first post, and didn't seem to bother Ray.

We either let people post, or nobody will be left to.

#129 Dale Harvey

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Posted 07 August 2016 - 06:03


We either let people post, or nobody will be left to.

There has been a lot drop off lately. A damn shame. :(

Dale.



#130 DMB81

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:16

A little late on the scene here. I've just managed to buy a copy of the Tasman Book on ebay.

What a piece of work. The photos alone are wirth the price, especially the one's by Rod Mackenzie.

I've seen some of the comments above about errors  etc.. Give the guy a break.

Tony, you did a fine job.



#131 cooper997

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:56

Copies available for $50 plus post at the moment and F5000 at $45 pp. There's some Aussie speedway books too.

https://www.ebay.com...=p2047675.l2562

Stephen

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#132 TerryS

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 21:53

I see that the Tasman Cup book is available for only $54 from Automoto Bookshop in Sydney, compared with the RRP of $94.95.

Could this indicate that sales are not going very well?

#133 GreenMachine

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 23:30

Well, I hope that all involved propheted from the venture, after all the labourer is worthy of his higher.

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(that's for you E1, I missed your rejoinder to my post above :))



#134 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 21:32

Some scriptural references there...

At $54 it's still not a throwaway, but it would seem that promotion of the book has been unsuccessful. It does have a lot of very good stuff in it.

#135 opplock

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 21:38

On the plus side it has taken more than 3 years for the book to be discounted. That is very good going in this day and age.   



#136 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 23:35

Stephen's post is from August 2017...

So not that long. But they haven't been further discounted.

#137 TerryS

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 01:35

Just ran thru the 500 odd motor racing books on Ebay and this book not currently listed