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#1 Lotus53B

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Posted 16 August 2015 - 22:00

After so many weeks in the wilderness, it's going to be good to go back to arguing about actual events on circuit...

 

My favourite race of the season, not least because it's one of the few GPs I've been able to drink myself to oblivion at.  When I first started going to Grands Prix, I used to have my family with me, and they frowned on me getting blitzed. Admittedly I was only about 10, but I really don't see why they were so strict.  Also, the food in the bistros in Spa is just awesome, and not just "nos moules", and when I drove down to Francorchamps of an evening, the atmosphere amongst the campers was just incredible - I drove for some way with a bunch of genial fans sitting the bonnet of my car, slugging back drinks from various containers, pausing occasionally to pass one in through my window for me to take a shot.

There was a Belgian national race in the Spa area in 1925, but the circuit was "built" in 1921, mainly from public roads, and was only used for Motorbikes originally, cars were brought in in 1924.

One of the most notable features of the Belgian Grand Prix is the weather.  Let's be honest, it doesn't rain in the Ardennes.  It RAINS!!!  When I was at the race in 1998 we thought we would need a boat to get to the race on the Sunday.  Oddly it was hot and sunny on the Monday.  We were not happy.  Also, due the to the size of the track, it can be wet in places and dry in others, and the trees prevent the track from drying so even if the rain does move away, the track stays wet (something shared with Monza, and previously Hockenheim and Imola).  Currently my favourite weather forecaster has a dry Saturday, and very wet Sunday, so let's open a book on how many laps the safety car will lead.

As I mentioned earlier, the track is long - it's been modified a lot over its 90 year history. It used to be nearly 9 miles long, but after the race was cancelled in 1971 for being to fast and dangerous, and the Belgian race was moved to the Zolder and Nivelles circuits - mainly Zolder.  The track was shortened to 4.3 miles, and the race returned for a year in 1983, went back to Zolder, and finally moved back to Spa in 1985, a move that has lasted since then, but with '03 and 06 missing out for various reasons.  There have been minor modifications to the track - notably the "Bus Stop" chicane being radically modified, and the sections of the track that were public road are now permanent track. In August 1999 I was driving through the area on my way to France for an eclipse and was showing my brother the track when I saw that they'd closed the kink of public road over the river "Eau Rouge" to build the stands, and were sending the local traffic up through the Eau Rouge/Radillon complex that  we all know and love.  When I saw that, I think I probably dented the floor of my car as hammered the accelerator down - to the applause of the folk building the stands - and roared up the course as fast as my rather boring family saloon would allow.  It's a memory that will stay with me for life - I kept my foot to the floor up Kemmel as I remembered sitting in a taxi on my way to the race the previous year and passing a police control point at about 130kmh - they were a wee bit lenient back then on Belgian roads...

Micheal Schumacher has the greatest tally of victories at the circuit, with 6 visits to the top step, of the current drivers, Kimi Raikkonen holds the highest tally with 4 wins, Sebastian Vettel has 2, Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button and Felipe Massa all having had but one trip to the top step.

This years race could prove entertaining at the start with the modifications to the launch mechanisms, and possibly the Belgian weather too, if my favourite meteorological sight is right:-

http://www.wundergro...ions/06490.html

which shows a 33% chance of rain at the start of the race, rising to 66% later on - but it's always a tricky place to forecast, and I suggest folk check back nearer to the time.

Anyway, enough of my meandering.

Last year there was an incident when the Mercedes drivers came together on the second lap, leading to Lewis Hamilton having a puncture, and subsequently the team placed the blame squarely on Nico Rosberg.  This incident still provokes some "frank and free" discussion on various forums.  The race was eventually won by Daniel Ricciardo.

Pole time 2015:- 2.05.591 for Nico Rosberg.

Fastest Lap 2015:- 1:50.511 for Nico Rosberg (lap 36).

As I mentioned many paragraphs ago, it's one of my favourites, so I'll be around on the live channel most of the time, but with the two 4 packs of Leffe in the fridge, I may be a tad incoherent.  All the folk who have the hard stats to bolster my rambling whimsy, please post them.


Edited by Lotus53B, 16 August 2015 - 22:29.


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#2 Exb

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Posted 16 August 2015 - 22:22

Finally the summer break is over and F1 is back :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:



#3 HeadFirst

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 00:08

Just in time, and my fav race of the season too. :clap:



#4 MikeV1987

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 00:46

K screw it, calling it now. Raikkonen wins.



#5 Afterburner

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 04:37

Nice OP. Would be nice to keep the whole weekend in here. :up:

#6 JAW97

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 04:50

Anyone remember how many cars could do Eau Rouge flat out last year?

#7 aramos

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 04:51

The summer break went pretty fast really.



#8 Wally123

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 07:16

I'm gutted, for the first time in a year or two I'm missing a race weekend due to going to Cadwell Park to watch the British Superbikes.

#9 redraven9

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 08:32

I can't wait for the race for many reasons.  :clap:



#10 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 08:43

it will be a borefest, easy HAM ROS 1-2

 

also because it won't rain.


Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 17 August 2015 - 08:46.


#11 Marklar

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 08:50

it will be a borefest, easy HAM ROS 1-2

also because it won't rain.

thanks for this prediction. That means that we will see a blockbuster.

#12 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 09:06

thanks for this prediction. That means that we will see a blockbuster.

NOT this time.



#13 Ellios

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 09:27

Here's a slightly slower lap of Spa Francorchamps

 

 



#14 Kristian

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 09:30

Excited, as this will be my first trip to Spa. Catching the Eurostar on Thursday morning!

 

Hopefully it won't rain, I don't own much waterproof clothing haha. 



#15 Lotus53B

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 10:56

You'll have a blast - enjoy yourself.

The weather seems to have stabilised, so you should have good weather.  If it's wet, the only thing that would save you is a diving bell, so don't worry about the waterproofs.



#16 Afterburner

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 11:08

Pah. We haven't seen a wet race at Spa since... 2010?

We could use the chaos, especially this year. But then I could always use some good old-fashioned chaos. :p

#17 Kunis

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 12:53

Expecting Kimi to put up a good fight at SPA,he was so close to podium last year.



#18 P123

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 13:47

Spa needs rain to be interesting.  It's a bit of a non-challenge these days with cars taking Eau rouge easy flat, and tarmac replacing gravel, so zero jeopardy (and no judgment required) in taking things to the limit.



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Posted 17 August 2015 - 13:56

Sauber are expecting to run more powerful engines in Spa.

http://www.formula1....iew-quotes.html

 

At Spa both C34 will be fitted with more powerful Ferrari power units



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Posted 17 August 2015 - 14:07

Sauber are expecting to run more powerful engines in Spa.

http://www.formula1....iew-quotes.html

 

Monza spec test run. :clap:



#21 Nonesuch

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 14:16

Here's a slightly slower lap of Spa Francorchamps

 

That's a great video - it nicely emphasises the way the circuit goes up and down the hills.

 

Spa-Francorchamps is always the highlight of the F1 season for me. The track is just fantastic and always a joy to watch. :up:



#22 Radion

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 14:28

Rai to lap the field.

#23 Kao18

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 15:43

That's a great video - it nicely emphasises the way the circuit goes up and down the hills.

 

Spa-Francorchamps is always the highlight of the F1 season for me. The track is just fantastic and always a joy to watch. :up:

 

His acceleration out of eau rouge leaves something to be desired though..



#24 Cloxxki

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 16:00

His acceleration out of eau rouge leaves something to be desired though..

Nearly 700W for a steady 10mph. If that doesn't tell you anything about the corner...

 

Amazed to see 50mph on what in F1 games seems like a flat section.

Tip for next time into Eau Rouge: reach near maximum speed (don't over-tire yourself) at the bottom and then start out with the 700W in the big ring to make as many vertical meters as possible before the kinetic energy is dissipated. All the time is won at the bottom of a hill, if enough momentum is carried. Power is best used up just as the climb starts. This should be just about the best climb for this, following a descend.



#25 MikeV1987

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 16:09

OT but does anyone know the web address of that site that gives you lap times over a race distance? I think it used to be called macofan or something. 

 

Thanks.



#26 Marklar

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 16:13

OT but does anyone know the web address of that site that gives you lap times over a race distance? I think it used to be called macofan or something.

Thanks.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com

#27 Kyo

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 16:19

Monza spec test run. :clap:

Monza spec or just the old Canada spec making a debut in the Sauber car?



#28 Jimisgod

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 16:50

I hope it's wet otherwise RBR will be lucky to get 7-8th :mad: :down:



#29 HeadFirst

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 17:02

I think it will be interesting rain, or not. Ferrari are inching closer to Mercedes, and with Vettel in fine form and Kimi being Kimi at Spa, the race for the lead might be closer than one would expect. I am also looking forward to seeing if the rumored Honda upgrades result in performance gains effective enough to move them up the grid.



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Posted 17 August 2015 - 17:17

I hope it's wet otherwise RBR will be lucky to get 7-8th :mad: :down:

 

You're not the only one.

 

The b-spec car of the Force India's is faster and Lotus might also be faster, place 13 and 14 for the Toro Rosso guys ?...(and I'm not even going to think about Sauber having a new Ferrari engine now and Honda talking about a major power upgrade), damn you lazy French PU builders...I would be hugely surprised if one of the Toro Rosso guys will be able to get a point.


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#31 hamilton10000

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 20:36

My favourite race of the season, even when it doesn't rain  :p . This race is surely going have one of the most hyped race starts in recent years and therefore it will no doubt be disappointing and all the new rules will make no difference.



#32 jonpollak

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 20:58

Excited, as this will be my first trip to Spa. Catching the Eurostar on Thursday morning!

 

Hopefully it won't rain, I don't own much waterproof clothing haha. 

Where ya sitting Kristian?

If you get a chance go hang out in the forest near the exit of Blanchimont..

Oh my giddy aunt that was a fun place back in the day.

Jp



#33 OvDrone

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 20:59

Wow, Lotus... you were there in 1998? That is the race that made me fall in love with Motorsport.



#34 redraven9

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 21:16

Here's a slightly slower lap of Spa Francorchamps

 

Woww... Faster than Honda



#35 Requiem84

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 21:42

Is Eau Rouge still flatout on a full tank?

I'd doubt it, especially with the higher top speeds they now achieve.

#36 Exb

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 22:15

Monza spec or just the old Canada spec making a debut in the Sauber car?


That thought also crossed my mind as the last time they put in a new ICE was Spain (before the Ferrari update in Canada) so they haven't had the Canada update yet....

#37 Volcano70

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 22:40

Woo-hoo! Back to the glory that is F1!


Edited by Volcano70, 18 August 2015 - 20:25.


#38 balmybaldwin

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 22:49

Woo-hoo! Back to the glory that is F1!

I am waiting for the Mclaren announcement also  :cat: 

 

What Mclaren announcement?



#39 Volcano70

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 23:06

I thought Mclaren were planning to announce Vandoorne in Spa since he was Belgian (at least that's what the F1 Silly Season thread told me)



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#40 MikeV1987

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 23:41

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#41 Volcano70

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Posted 17 August 2015 - 23:45

Beautiful picture, that'll be my new desktop image!



#42 Owen

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 06:59

I thought Mclaren were planning to announce Vandoorne in Spa since he was Belgian (at least that's what the F1 Silly Season thread told me)

Got an official denial. Sorry.

#43 1Devil1

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 07:05

Rai to get lap by the field.

 

I changed it for you  :up:



#44 Radion

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 07:45

I changed it for you :up:

With the type of luck he has had this year that's actually a high possibility. ;(

Let's hope not. We all want him to equal senna's amount of wins around spa right? :-)

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 08:00

With the type of luck he has had this year that's actually a high possibility. ;(

Let's hope not. We all want him to equal senna's amount of wins around spa right? :-)


I would love to see him win the race. But don't believe in it

#46 Marklar

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 08:14

I would love to see him win the race. But don't believe in it

Now or never. Spa is Kimis best track by a margin. Both Mercedes drivers and Vettel were never that strong in Spa (and in particular Vettels best tracks are coming in the 2nd season half)....



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Posted 18 August 2015 - 08:14

Drove this circuit in the wet and dry - Pouhon my favourite corner followed by the run from Stavleot, speed building all the way until the big stop at the chicane, great section with big speed. Great views from behind the wheel the whole way around the circuit too, wonderful place!
 
Would love to see Raikkonen nail this one!


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Posted 18 August 2015 - 08:37

Now or never. Spa is Kimis best track by a margin. Both Mercedes drivers and Vettel were never that strong in Spa (and in particular Vettels best tracks are coming in the 2nd season half)....

That's not true. Historically, Vettel has more points in Spa than any other European track on the calendar. 



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Posted 18 August 2015 - 08:42

That's not true. Historically, Vettel has more points in Spa than any other European track on the calendar.

He was always quit good around spa. His recovery drive in 2012 was one of his best races that year

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 08:50

That's not true. Historically, Vettel has more points in Spa than any other European track on the calendar.

The reason is that Vettels 'weak' (on this level you cant call it weak) circuits are all in Europe and his strong circuits are all in Asia. I did not said that he is bad in Spa but its deffo not one of his strongest tracks (points are no proof by the way: Hamilton for example had always DNFs in Canada when he didnt won which caused that his point tally is not that great in Canada but its stil one of his best tracks, nerverless Spa is one of the better European circuits of Vettel) and thats the reason (combined woth the fact that its Kimis best track) why I think that this is one of the last real chances for Kimi to beat Vettel imho. Eventhought I believe that Ferrari will anyway switch to teamorders now if its necessary.

Edited by Marklar, 18 August 2015 - 08:54.