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Nico Rosberg v. Lewis Hamilton 2015, 3rd Edition


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#4001 jcpower13

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 18:42

What's the chances Lewis read the first page and then chucked it in the bin? He's not changed his driving one iota since the agreement was introduced.



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#4002 garagetinkerer

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 18:56

No No, I actually think it does exist. Paddy supposedly wrote it, or at least wasted his time writing it. I just don't understand how it can be any more enforceable than a hand shake. 

There is lies the rub, no?



#4003 FrontWing

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 18:58

What's the chances Lewis read the first page and then chucked it in the bin? He's not changed his driving one iota since the agreement was introduced.

Perhaps Nico should have got it looked at by his lawyers. He was actually signing a No2 driver agreement.



#4004 FrontWing

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:00

There is lies the rub, no?

Maybe. Really shouldn't have taken Nico til now to realise what Lewis really thought of the agreement. He probably used it to pick up Roscoe's ****.

 

 

I suppose it's only been in the last race that they made contact, so it may have worked.


Edited by FrontWing, 27 October 2015 - 19:14.


#4005 robefc

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:18

Gary Anderson blaming Nico for the first corner coming together on autosport+

 

http://plus.autospor...1436.1409600381


Edited by robefc, 27 October 2015 - 20:54.


#4006 Marklar

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:24

Gary Anderson blaming Nico for the crash on autosport+

http://plus.autospor...1436.1409600381

1. It wasnt a crash
2. You always know the right answer if Gary is talking because he is always wrong
3. What is he saying exactly, not everyone has AS+?
4. Why are people keep talking about this harmless move?

Edited by Marklar, 27 October 2015 - 19:24.


#4007 SR388

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:25

1. It wasnt a crash
2. You always know the right answer if Gary is talking because he is always wrong
3. What is he saying exactly, not everyone has AS+?
4. Why are people keep talking about this harmless move?


I can answer #4.

We are bored. We have to complain or argue over something.

#4008 sennafan24

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:29

 I don't think the issue is with Lewis, it's with the public.

I don't think it's a national issue. More of an individual issue. As one article said, Lewis was voted Sport's personality of the year, in a year where he faced stiff competition. A large amount of the public really embrace Lewis. Think about it, if I judged the American public on yourself and the grey-haired doofus. it would not be fair on other Americans would it? 

 

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:31

Gary Andersons a tool, as Markler said...... he's up his own exhaust pipe too much... Tbh, as a Hamilton supporter or fan (I prefer supporter) my wish is for NICO to lay a similar move on Lewis and show us that he can learn.First time is the last time attitude, that's the attitude he needs.

Really expect him and lewis to crash this weekend :). Bring It on

#4010 SR388

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:39

I don't think it's a national issue. More of an individual issue. As one article said, Lewis was voted Sport's personality of the year, in a year where he faced stiff competition. A large amount of the public really embrace Lewis. Think about it, if I judged the American public on yourself and the grey-haired doofus. it would not be fair on other Americans would it?

:smoking:



I understand your point.

It would be unfair to hold all Americans to the standard I set forth. Not everyone can be as cool and handsome as me.

#4011 NateF

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:43

I think it will only be Nico standing his ground more. Lewis has shown that is a swashbuckler, Nico needs to set the tone that if you cross him wrong, you're done.

I still think there are going to be some real fireworks in Brazil.


Double DNF.

 

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Lewis is finally going to win a race in Brazil....please God let him win in Sao Paulo

 

Mexico and Abu Dhabi let the fireworks go off



#4012 f1supreme

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:46

Gary Andersons a tool, as Markler said...... he's up his own exhaust pipe too much... Tbh, as a Hamilton supporter or fan (I prefer supporter) my wish is for NICO to lay a similar move on Lewis and show us that he can learn.First time is the last time attitude, that's the attitude he needs.

Really expect him and lewis to crash this weekend :). Bring It on

nico has done the same thing to lewis tho.



#4013 FrontWing

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:48


 

Gary Andersons a tool, as Markler said...... he's up his own exhaust pipe too much... Tbh, as a Hamilton supporter or fan (I prefer supporter) my wish is for NICO to lay a similar move on Lewis and show us that he can learn.First time is the last time attitude, that's the attitude he needs.

Really expect him and lewis to crash this weekend :). Bring It on

 

He did in Russia, Nico kept the inside line. Lewis has ahead going into the corner, but on the outside, he gave up the corner and slipped behind Nico. Think I've only seen Lewis go to the outside against Nico in Suzuka, where Nico left the door wide open, and Bahrain last year. Most of the time Lewis gives up the corner for the switch back, something I rarely (can't think of any examples of the top of my head) see Nico do.


Edited by FrontWing, 27 October 2015 - 19:51.


#4014 f1supreme

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:50

Perhaps Nico should have got it looked at by his lawyers. He was actually signing a No2 driver agreement.

if nico was number 2,then why was he given such a strong strategy.with that strategy he should have won.his mistake,not the teams,is what cost him the win.we saw the same quite often last season too.nico drives like a number 2 because he is simply not good enough to beat lewis consistently,not because he's not allowed to beat him.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:52

 
4. Why are people keep talking about this harmless move?

 

It's getting no more talk than any other incident gets talked about after a race ....



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:56

Gary Anderson blaming Nico for the crash on autosport+

 

http://plus.autospor...1436.1409600381

Completely correct analysis of it.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:56

Re the British press; I have always felt they under-appreciate Lewis and are not worthy of having such a great champion,but as Sennafan pointed out, he was voted BBC Spoty last year so we certainly shouldn't judge how the public perceive Lewis based on our sub-standard press. 



#4018 P123

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:57

He did in Russia, Nico kept the inside line. Lewis has ahead going into the corner, but on the outside, he gave up the corner and slipped behind Nico. Think I've only seen Lewis go to the outside against Nico in Suzuka, where Nico left the door wide open, and Bahrain last year. Most of the time Lewis gives up the corner for the switch back, something I rarely (can't think of any examples of the top of my head) see Nico do.


Hamilton likes the cutback manoeuvre. Bahrain is a prime example- Nico always went for the outside at T4. Once past at T1, Hamilton retook the position at T4 by feigning for the outside and cutting for the inside. Sometimes in a game of braking chicken (which the run up to T1 at Austin was) it's the best tactic.

In fact, I'm sure I read on here many moons ago talk about Hamilton never making moves around the outside- was used as a criticism against him.

#4019 f1supreme

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 19:58

some of you are talking like you want both drivers to be scared to attemp a overtake.like you want them to be scared to race each other.bottom line is,if you wanna win a race,when you see a opportunity to overatke,you go for it,coz that might be the only chance you get.thats racing.what happened was a racing incident,no rules were broken.the giving room rule only applies when on the straights.when it comes to corners,its a grey area.do you ppl want to see racing,and risky overtakes.or do you want to see straight forward boring overtakes.



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#4020 P123

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 20:01

It's getting no more talk than any other incident gets talked about after a race ....


There were 3 incidents at T1 in Austin. The most minor one has generated the most discussion, with it's own dedicated thread. The other two haven't had much of a mention.

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 20:04

Not everyone can be as cool and handsome as me.

Stop stealing my gimmick.

 

shouldn't judge how the public perceive Lewis based on our sub-standard press. 

Indeed.

 

Plus, we should also remember that some of the comments on British sites do not come from British residents. It's clear that people from other countries read and comment on the BBC F1 site and other British publications. You only have to read the driver rankings thread on this forum to recognize that.

 

Edit: Typo


Edited by sennafan24, 27 October 2015 - 20:06.


#4022 sennafan24

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 20:09

Nico leading WDC half way  wont faze Lewis but Vettel leading will. I just wish I could faster forward to 2017. 

Technically, Alonso and Vettel were ahead in the latter stages of 2012, but it didn't hinder Lewis's form (the McLaren car did)

 

There is no real consistent trend to predict Lewis's form dropping.



#4023 OO7

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 20:47

We'll see won't we. However, Vettel isn't the terminating metronome man he seemed to be in his championship years, he can crack too. He even admitted doubting his abilities last year. I do hope we get a proper fight between Seb and Lewis next year. Problem for Lewis is that Nico can still be a pain in the arse for him, with Kimi being less so for Vettel.

Precisely.



#4024 robefc

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 20:53

1. It wasnt a crash
2. You always know the right answer if Gary is talking because he is always wrong
3. What is he saying exactly, not everyone has AS+?
4. Why are people keep talking about this harmless move?

 

1. True, was writing quickly, but I think it was clear which incident I was referring to, no?

2. I don't agree with him all the time or even often but lets face it, he has shed loads more experience and knowledge than us.

3. Basically it was Nico's fault for getting a bad start and you would expect any 'true racer' to do what Lewis did, even if it was a bit heavy handed. He appears to be on the side of 'the best racers are ruthless' angle. 

4. Why would we not talk about a forceful move by one teammate on another in a race 2 days ago in the versus thread? In this instance when the most popular british motorsport website has just published a fresh opinion piece on it.



#4025 robefc

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 20:54

We'll see won't we. However, Vettel isn't the terminating metronome man he seemed to be in his championship years, he can crack too. He even admitted doubting his abilities last year. I do hope we get a proper fight between Seb and Lewis next year. Problem for Lewis is that Nico can still be a pain in the arse for him, with Kimi being less so for Vettel.

 

You could also argue that Nico could be more of a pain in the arse for vettel than kimi for lewis too though...



#4026 robefc

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 20:55

Maybe. Really shouldn't have taken Nico til now to realise what Lewis really thought of the agreement. He probably used it to pick up Roscoe's ****.

 

 

I suppose it's only been in the last race that they made contact, so it may have worked.

 

I'm pretty sure Spinz or another of the crew get that job :D



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 21:01

It's getting no more talk than any other incident gets talked about after a race ....

Well thats a load of foey if I've ever heard of it. :rotfl:

Do you mean incidents in general or just Nico and Lewis?

 

I mean it was a gentle doffing of wheels and there are over 500 posts about it. :eek:

 

There was an actual crash in T1 and there were about 3 mentions of it, I only realised Alonso had a puncture when I saw the pics today.


Edited by Retrofly, 27 October 2015 - 21:03.


#4028 Marklar

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 21:08

1. True, was writing quickly, but I think it was clear which incident I was referring to, no?
2. I don't agree with him all the time or even often but lets face it, he has shed loads more experience and knowledge than us.
3. Basically it was Nico's fault for getting a bad start and you would expect any 'true racer' to do what Lewis did, even if it was a bit heavy handed. He appears to be on the side of 'the best racers are ruthless' angle. 
4. Why would we not talk about a forceful move by one teammate on another in a race 2 days ago in the versus thread? In this instance when the most popular british motorsport website has just published a fresh opinion piece on it.

ok, thanks ;)

I just cant understand it how much fuss this minor incident made. I'm really looking forward to what will happen if they have lets say an incident like between Massa/Alonso in Austin...

#4029 jcpower13

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 21:09

About the British public perception, I think (and this is my opinion) that alot of Lewis' detractors come from Button fans or from middle-class Brits who cannot empathise with Lewis who came from a working class background. Lewis has always carried himself with confidence and worn his emotions on his sleeves, not to mention his propensity for quirky fashion and hair choices, for some middle class Brits that's not something they want to support.

 

That's also ignoring the inferiority complex that runs through alot of British sports supporters, who prefer underdogs and actively shun anyone who has great success, a prime example being the love and adoration for Tim Henman who always fell short.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 21:20

There's a whole thread for posting congrats etc, please leave this one for discussing the Hamilton Rosberg driving! What little is left of it for this season anyway, thank you.



#4031 Disgrace

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 21:44

New thread up.